Topic: CL: Spartak 1 v Liverpool 1 (Fernando 23', Coutinho 30')

[Fiasco]

Salah has 4 in Premier League, top scorer is Aguero on 6.

Aguero does it year in, year out. As do the likes of Lukaku, Kane and others. We don't have that kind of player.

[Alonso_The_Assassin]

What a load of crap..people are delighted if we win, but justifiably are frustrated after performances like that. All you are trying to do is make yourself look like a superfan.

Mate, we win and there's barely 9 pages in the post-game thread. Lose and it's pandemonium. The culture amongst our fans is embarrassing. Go to a 3 o'clock home game at Anfield. It tells the whole story...

[sms1986]

What a load of crap..people are delighted if we win, but justifiably are frustrated after performances like that. All you are trying to do is make yourself look like a superfan.

Sure, but there's some on here who never seem to post unless it's to whinge in the half time or post match threads.

[Nick110581]

Important we go and beat Maribor now.

We should have six points but have two instead.

It wasn't great but there are no reasons for heads to fall off.

[jillcwhomever]

Please.

  yourself.

[campioni]

Not a disastrous result but another game where we’re regretting not taking some great chances. That Moscow side is poor. Fancy Sevilla to do them home and away which means if we put Maribor away we’ll be alright.

Horrendous goalkeeping for the free kick. He doesn’t move until the ball is pretty much past him.

[Oddball]

Why are some of us calling Emre Can Bobby?

Not noticed anyone doing that. Firmino is known as Bobby.

[sms1986]

Yeah and he should have about 10.

Exactly, in a few months time he'll be just as good as any of the ones who play for our rivals.

[TheShanklyGates]

Because we're fractions away from hammering teams. A little sharpness, a little patience, a little composure, a little luck, a little belief. I'm perfectly calm because this feels to me like one of those brief stuttering spells that come shortly before a run of dominant, heavy wins.

I hope you're right mate but football is a game of fine margins and we've been consistently on the wrong side of those margins for far too long.

[Avens]

People in these threads are so negative it's ridiculous. It's a frustrating as fuck night but it's hardly a disaster of a result. We'll be fine.

[Clint Eastwood]

Klopp's subs were a bit baffling. Finally makes them at a reasonable time, but he takes Mane off, keeps Firmino on and brings on Wijnaldum. Set the tone for the rest of the game. When Sturridge and Firmino are on the pitch together our attack is a mess.

Firmino was poor, Emre Can was poor. Wijnaldum, as expected, changed nothing.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

If Karius hadn’t have dived, nobody would be saying he should have saved it.

If the ball gets over the wall on that side, the keeper has no right to save it. Especially at that pace.

Think Aurelio in the 4-0 win at Old Trafford.

[Lucho_LFC8]

Our first goal came from short, quick passing at the edge of the box and that’s when we play best, quick give and go’s, plenty of movement and off the ball running, why in the second half did we panic and start spraying long balls all over the pitch & to our forward line with an average height below 6’0?!

Firmino on his day is great to watch and great to have in the team, but of recent he’s been out of form & on nights like these when everyone seems to be missing chances it’s when you need a quality striker to step up and take one chance.. unfortunately we don’t have one in our team!

Not the end of the world, so onwards and upward & let’s just get out of the group! 

[lukeb1981]

The ref lost control of the game and he should have been booking some of their players, who were just going down and time wasting.

Farce mate was easily another 3 minutes on top of that 8 just after the 90 alone. Fucking flute bag even stopped the game when one of their players went down 

[Sarge]

Salah has 4 in Premier League, top scorer is Aguero on 6.

Come back in April.

[Bread]

Not sure why Mane going off is relevant. We created 3 or 4 clear cut chances (sitters even) without him. Unless he's the one getting on the end of one of those sitters, but that's tenuous conjecture at best.

Personally impressed that we carved open the enormous bus over and over again as we did. No, the bad finishing isn't on, obviously, but the creativity to create chances running through this team is electrifying.

Would personally like to see more of Solanke. Shame he didn't make the bench today, he's the kind of finisher that could have won it for us and sent everyone home happy.

[Charles Foster Kane]

Klopp's subs were a bit baffling. Finally makes them at a reasonable time, but he takes Mane off, keeps Firmino on and brings on Wijnaldum. Set the tone for the rest of the game. When Sturridge and Firmino are on the pitch together our attack is a mess.

Firmino was poor, Emre Can was poor. Wijnaldum, as expected, changed nothing.

He seemed shot though.

[Anfield89]

If Karius hadn’t have dived, nobody would be saying he should have saved it.

If the ball gets over the wall on that side, the keeper has no right to save it. Especially at that pace.

Think Aurelio in the 4-0 win at Old Trafford.

 

Aurelio's was near the post not near the centre.

[Nick110581]

If Karius hadn’t have dived, nobody would be saying he should have saved it.

If the ball gets over the wall on that side, the keeper has no right to save it. Especially at that pace.

Think Aurelio in the 4-0 win at Old Trafford.

If he moved quicker, he would have at least got a hand on it.

It was shit goalkeeping and footwork.

[Souness1]

Hendo has been boss the last couple of games but fuck me Can and Wijnaldum have been pretty dreadful all season bar Arsenal. Midfield is a big concern imo, need Lallana back badly.

[sms1986]

Come back in April.

Think Salah just needs a bit of time to settle in, he's already showing great signs.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

fuck me, where d'you sit?.......it's the superfans who'd be getting bingo'd

Anfield but not with the fucking Crybaby's in this thread. c*nts

[rawcusk8]

18 pages in under an hour? Well im off to bed. Goodnight Rawk

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

 

Aurelio's was near the post not near the centre.

Doesn’t matter. Point is, Van Der Sar couldn’t see the ball until it was too late. He just didn’t bother trying.

[Chip Evans]

Those complaining about the Mane sub. He was getting doubled up on and kicked all night. The change along with taking Can off/Gini on moved us to more of a diamond with Firmino playing deeper, the full backs way up the pitch and Salah playing really close to Sturridge. We had our best chances after the changes. Before that the gap (width) between Phil and Can was too big. No one was dictating the game. It was notably better afterwards. The problem was the subs took too long to happen, those lads were wrecked on 55, Sturridge/Gini didn't come on for another 10-15. And that we conceded the softest goal of all time, and couldn't hit a donkey's arse with a banjo upfront. 

[Always_A_Red]

I don't give a damn what he did at Arsenal. I only care about what Klopp can do to improve him and get him playing at a far higher level then he could dream about playing at Arsenal. I have no doubt he will prove a great option for us to have long term. He still needs time to get used to the way we play, so for that reason alone to judge him so quickly would just be daft.

Perfect - that's your prerogative. It doesn't mean that my opinion of him being distinctly average based on the 160 appearances in the PL, Europe and for England is an 'instant judgement' though. To think that Klopp has this magic wand to improve him so much that he becomes a great option is hopeful at best.

[stevo747]

I thought Spartak were absolutely awful tonight, worse than any team we've faced this season. We should have wiped the floor with them . On the plus side thought Moreno and Henderson where excellent tonight. But quite clearly Karius has a long way to go to be a top class keeper and shouldn't be playing in Goal for a Champions League team. Firminho was woeful again,  can't understand how he started in the first place, looked like he needed a rest at the weekend, even more surprised how he stayed on.

[jillcwhomever]

Because we're fractions away from hammering teams. A little sharpness, a little patience, a little composure, a little luck, a little belief. I'm perfectly calm because this feels to me like one of those brief stuttering spells that come shortly before a run of dominant, heavy wins.

Totally agree, we could have won by a canter today, but it just didn't quite happen, but it will. Moscow is a hard place to win in, not many teams will win there. But somebody will get a thrashing soon, just hope its United or maybe Spurs, that would be nice.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

If he moved quicker, he would have at least got a hand on it.

It was shit goalkeeping and footwork.

He moved as soon as he saw the ball

[Rednev]

Mate, the whingers in here fucking love complaining. They wouldn't know what to do if we won. In fact a number of headless wonders don't bother posting when we win. They'll bitch and moan at halftime if we aren't winning but disappear if we actually win the game. You could easily track these fuckers every week.

There's a lot less to talk about when everything is going well. It's like, "Great stuff boys, same again next week. Thought so and so was cracking today, really turned a corner."

[lessthanmatt]

Every other English teams keeper in the CL saves that freekick I think.

I think Karius probably saves it as well if he had another go. Just a shocking piece of keeping. This goalkeeper rotation does nothing for nobody. Goalkeepers never need rest. Confidence isn't going to grow, and rust isn't going to disappear, for a keeper playing once every now and then. If we can't give Karius a run of games, playing him in some spread-out Champions League matches is just presenting us with one more thing that could cost us points

[Brain Potter]

Mate, we win and there's barely 9 pages in the post-game thread. Lose and it's pandemonium. The culture amongst our fans is embarrassing. Go to a 3 o'clock home game at Anfield. It tells the whole story...

People don't complain if they're happy. Of course threads are going to be longer on nights like this. There's nothing wrong with calling tonight for what it was.

[Trendisnotdestiny]

If Karius hadn’t have dived, nobody would be saying he should have saved it.

If the ball gets over the wall on that side, the keeper has no right to save it. Especially at that pace.

Think Aurelio in the 4-0 win at Old Trafford.

I expect a Liverpool keeper to make that save.  Its about his starting point and his reactivity to the shot (both were poor).

[Giono]

If we win, like we did on Saturday, they'll just find something their pet scapegoat did wrong or something. You're certainly right about a minority who only ever seem to be around to complain.

They can't pull out the Moreno complaint broken record again.

He played really well today. That ball to Firmino late in the match was perfect.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Mate, we win and there's barely 9 pages in the post-game thread. Lose and it's pandemonium. The culture amongst our fans is embarrassing. Go to a 3 o'clock home game at Anfield. It tells the whole story...

Yep

[Souness1]

If Karius hadn’t have dived, nobody would be saying he should have saved it.

If the ball gets over the wall on that side, the keeper has no right to save it. Especially at that pace.

Think Aurelio in the 4-0 win at Old Trafford.

Nah Karius should have done a lot better, it was basically in the centre of the goal when it went in.

[Rob Dylan]

I think most on here aren't pissed off just about tonight, it's the cumulative effect of seeing this type of result and performance on a pretty regular basis. We don't seem to be learning or eradicating the problems. Incredibly frustrating.

It is, I love the fact that we're going away from home in the CL and playing with this much attacking jntent, and some of the build up play was superb...but we've created so many chances, half-chances and openings this season, but squandered them over and over again. It just seems to be such hard work for us to score. We have some wonderful attacking players but they really need to practice their finishing.

It's not a bad result on paper, but we keep saying that, but too many of these kind of results and you end up having to win your last game in the group by 3 goals or something, and you wonder how you got there.

I thought the defence actually did quite well today though. Spartak were embarrassing, time wasting from early in the second half, and at home!

[Kop307]

"Liverpool played well, dominated the game but weren't ruthless enough & their opponent scored with pretty much their only attempt (s) on goal."

Hoffenhem 1st leg
Watford 3-3
Sevilla 2-2
Burnley 1-1
Leicester 2-0
Leicester 2-3
Moscow 1-1

We've only played about 10 games this season and the above games have all shown the exact same characteristics. Nothing is changing & it's nothing to do with luck.

That's just this season.

[arab88]

Karius isn't good enough, isn't good AT ALL. Whatever people are trying to argue, he has been so poor since joining us. Every single time.

[lessthanmatt]

If he moved quicker, he would have at least got a hand on it.

It was shit goalkeeping and footwork.

I agree. I don't think there's much analysis you could put into it. The ball basically went centre of the goal. I would back myself to save it