Author Topic: Alberto Moreno: Ghost in the Shell (Read 449527 times)

Eeyore · « **Reply #680 on:** October 29, 2016, 09:48:40 pm »

Quote from: lankyguy007. on October 29, 2016, 09:42:34 pm

They probably wouldn't have actually. They would have done what he did and realised that he wasn't getting to the ball and needed to consolidate by getting goal side. The correct thing to do would have been to stop a touch later than he did so that he was closer but not so close that Zaha could play the ball past him with one touch or win a penalty.

He should be closer from the initial ball. That is the mistake. The ball is in the air for an age.

The G in Gerrard · « **Reply #681 on:** October 29, 2016, 09:48:41 pm »

Did very well today. More of this please.

Eeyore · « **Reply #682 on:** October 29, 2016, 09:53:44 pm »

Quote from: The G in Gerrard on October 29, 2016, 09:48:41 pm

Did very well today. More of this please.

Thought he added an extra dimension and was prepared to run in behind. Palace wanted to hold a line around 35-40 yards from goal but Moreno and Mane completely nullified that.

Fordy · « **Reply #683 on:** October 29, 2016, 09:56:30 pm »

His best game for us for a long time.

Well done.

McrRed · « **Reply #684 on:** October 29, 2016, 09:59:50 pm »

Quote from: hesbighesred on October 29, 2016, 09:28:35 pm

I think there's some serious backhanded complementing going on here. Moreno was class, he absolutely terrorised them in the first half and put in a string of important tackles in the second. He was utterly tireless, and a constant outlet. Good on him.

And the assist for Can's goal. And hit the post. Well done lad.

007.lankyguy · « **Reply #685 on:** October 29, 2016, 10:00:20 pm »

Quote from: Al 555 on October 29, 2016, 09:48:40 pm

He should be closer from the initial ball. That is the mistake. The ball is in the air for an age.

The one Benteke gets his head on? I don't think so; he has to get goal side whilst giving himself enough room to turn and beat Zaha to the clearance if the ball is flicked on towards goal. I think he's about the right distance there. When the ball is then headed towards Zaha, he has to slightly adjust his run to get goal side again (given Zaha's going to get there first). With that in mind, he should then slow down a touch later than he does. Other than that, it's pretty justifiable defending.

ABZ Rover · « **Reply #686 on:** October 29, 2016, 10:01:37 pm »

Quote from: Fordy on October 29, 2016, 09:56:30 pm

His best game for us for a long time.

Well done.

Have to agree. Think we need an upgrade long term but fair play to the lad tonight.

andy07 · « **Reply #687 on:** October 29, 2016, 10:05:08 pm »

Moreno reminds me of one of those wind up clockwork mice, you let him go and he goes apeshit round the room finally coming to rest after butting the skirting board. If only we can channel that energy.

Eeyore · « **Reply #688 on:** October 29, 2016, 10:09:05 pm »

Quote from: lankyguy007. on October 29, 2016, 10:00:20 pm

The one Benteke gets his head on? I don't think so; he has to get goal side whilst giving himself enough room to turn and beat Zaha to the clearance if the ball is flicked on towards goal. I think he's about the right distance there. When the ball is then headed towards Zaha, he has to slightly adjust his run to get goal side again (given Zaha's going to get there first). With that in mind, he should then slow down a touch later than he does. Other than that, it's pretty justifiable defending.

You say it yourself the only thing he has to worry about is Zaha.

He doesn't he switches off Zaha pulls out to make space and he allows Zaha a bit too much room. As i say fine margins.

007.lankyguy · « **Reply #689 on:** October 29, 2016, 10:11:32 pm »

Quote from: Al 555 on October 29, 2016, 10:09:05 pm

You say it yourself the only thing he has to worry about is Zaha.

He doesn't he switches off Zaha pulls out to make space and he allows Zaha a bit too much room. As i say fine margins.

Why do you think he allows Zaha that room though?

sminp · « **Reply #690 on:** October 29, 2016, 10:21:48 pm »

Something I've noticed in the last couple of games is that Moreno is much less gung ho in his attacking, he's choosing his moments to go forward more carefully so that he doesn't get caught out at the back

Eeyore · « **Reply #691 on:** October 29, 2016, 10:23:32 pm »

Quote from: lankyguy007. on October 29, 2016, 10:11:32 pm

Why do you think he allows Zaha that room though?

Because he isn't rubbernecking.

If we push out the the full backs have to be prepared to come around on the cover if Benteke wins the header but we didn't. Palace didn't overload Moreno so he has to concentrate on Zaha. He has completely lost his man and we have been undone by an early cross.

007.lankyguy · « **Reply #692 on:** October 29, 2016, 10:29:38 pm »

Quote from: Al 555 on October 29, 2016, 10:23:32 pm

Because he isn't rubbernecking.

Elaborate.

Eleven · « **Reply #693 on:** October 29, 2016, 10:30:52 pm »

Played well tonight, keep it up Alberto.

Caligula? · « **Reply #694 on:** October 29, 2016, 10:40:32 pm »

He'd make an excellent winger.

Eeyore · « **Reply #695 on:** October 29, 2016, 10:42:33 pm »

Quote from: lankyguy007. on October 29, 2016, 10:29:38 pm

Elaborate.

In the modern game the full back role is probably the toughest position in the team. Play like a winger one moment, defend like a full back the next.

For me Moreno's attacking instincts far outweigh his defensive instincts. When the ball is knocked long to Benteke he has to be rubbernecking constantly adjusting his position between the centre backs and Zaha. He doesn't do it.

He isn't defensively minded and if we had won the header then he would of been in a great position to launch counter attack.

stevied · « **Reply #696 on:** October 31, 2016, 10:49:52 am »

Thought he was excellent going forward on Saturday gives us a better option than Milner attacking wise, Milner is safer and im not sure where else Milner could play in this team, if he could just cut out the glaring errors he would be bang on, i like him but can see why people dont

CHOPPER · « **Reply #697 on:** October 31, 2016, 10:56:04 am »

Not a slate, more of an observation for their second - if he gets a yard or so closer to the crosser, then the angles dead and the lad can't put that cross in. Not blame, just that he needs to mark/position himself a bit more tighter. In the main he had a good game and played well, but there are those slight bits of positional play that can either make or break a good performance to a great performance. Keep working hard lad.

Funky_Gibbons · « **Reply #698 on:** October 31, 2016, 11:00:53 am »

Quote from: Al 555 on October 29, 2016, 10:42:33 pm

In the modern game the full back role is probably the toughest position in the team. Play like a winger one moment, defend like a full back the next.

For me Moreno's attacking instincts far outweigh his defensive instincts. When the ball is knocked long to Benteke he has to be rubbernecking constantly adjusting his position between the centre backs and Zaha. He doesn't do it.

He isn't defensively minded and if we had won the header then he would of been in a great position to launch counter attack.

Moreno’s positioning when Benteke wins the header is fine, he’s in the middle of the goal and he’s marking Zaha tightly. The problem is from the moment Benteke wins the header to Zaha controlling the ball Moreno drops off about five yards and doesn’t get close enough to prevent the cross, even turning his back on it.

Moreno has so much pace so he could have got much closer to Zaha quicker, he doesn’t need to drop of five yards. If Zaha tried to knock the ball past him Moreno should be able to keep up with him.

MerseysideBrum · « **Reply #699 on:** October 31, 2016, 11:09:05 am »

Quote from: stevied on October 31, 2016, 10:49:52 am

Thought he was excellent going forward on Saturday gives us a better option than Milner attacking wise, Milner is safer and im not sure where else Milner could play in this team, if he could just cut out the glaring errors he would be bang on, i like him but can see why people dont

I'm with you. He has much to improve on but he has the talent to be a fantastic left back for the way we play. We'll find out if he has the mindset/mental ability by the end of this season I reckon.

lorenzo · « **Reply #700 on:** October 31, 2016, 12:09:55 pm »

Quote from: MerseysideBrum on October 31, 2016, 11:09:05 am

I'm with you. He has much to improve on but he has the talent to be a fantastic left back for the way we play. We'll find out if he has the mindset/mental ability by the end of this season I reckon.

Have to agree with this, listen to podcast the other day and someone pointed out he been taking out to be trained like what happened to Origi.

SwordInYourGut · « **Reply #701 on:** October 31, 2016, 12:11:42 pm »

Zaha is one of the league's best in one v one situations. Don't blame Moreno at all for allowing him to cross. Rather that than get beaten and let him attack the box. Like the Europa league final.

SwordInYourGut · « **Reply #702 on:** October 31, 2016, 12:13:55 pm »

Quote from: lorenzo on October 31, 2016, 12:09:55 pm

Have to agree with this, listen to podcast the other day and someone pointed out he been taking out to be trained like what happened to Origi.

Frankenstein operation wasn't it?

diegoLFC7 · « **Reply #703 on:** October 31, 2016, 01:02:38 pm »

Brilliant attacking player. Has a shot in him, and has great technique, if he can buckle down on his defending he could easily be a great player for us.

RedmenPhil · « **Reply #704 on:** October 31, 2016, 01:20:19 pm »

Moreno has potential but if he doesn't cement his position soon enough, i can see flanno comin back or gomez pushing from the bench- if not on the team sheet next year.

Reminds me of Danny Rose of spurs, biggest improved player i've seen in the left back position. Moreno should take note.

Phil M · « **Reply #705 on:** October 31, 2016, 01:20:59 pm »

Quote from: SwordInYourGut on October 31, 2016, 12:11:42 pm

Zaha is one of the league's best in one v one situations. Don't blame Moreno at all for allowing him to cross. Rather that than get beaten and let him attack the box. Like the Europa league final.

I'd just have liked him to get closer, he looks all of 3 yards from the ball when Zaha has it to feet and although we're talking a manner of split seconds I think rather than focus on not handballing it if he tries to close the space or narrow the crossing path for Zaha maybe he makes it harder for him to get such a perfect ball in.

Otherwise though I think he's done a fine job since coming back in but Milner will be back v Watford if he's fit I'm sure.

007.lankyguy · « **Reply #706 on:** October 31, 2016, 01:56:01 pm »

Quote from: RedmenPhil on October 31, 2016, 01:20:19 pm

Moreno has potential but if he doesn't cement his position soon enough, i can see flanno comin back or gomez pushing from the bench- if not on the team sheet next year.

Neither of those things will happen; we'll just buy a new left back. Gomez's future is at centre back and Flanagan almost certainly doesn't have a future here.

MerseysideBrum · « **Reply #707 on:** October 31, 2016, 02:06:48 pm »

Quote from: RedmenPhil on October 31, 2016, 01:20:19 pm

Moreno has potential but if he doesn't cement his position soon enough, i can see flanno comin back or gomez pushing from the bench- if not on the team sheet next year.

Reminds me of Danny Rose of spurs, biggest improved player i've seen in the left back position. Moreno should take note.

No offence but in terms of ability on the ball flanno is a shadow of the footballer moreno is.

SwordInYourGut · « **Reply #708 on:** October 31, 2016, 02:11:16 pm »

Quote from: RedmenPhil on October 31, 2016, 01:20:19 pm

Moreno has potential but if he doesn't cement his position soon enough, i can see flanno comin back or gomez pushing from the bench- if not on the team sheet next year.

Reminds me of Danny Rose of spurs, biggest improved player i've seen in the left back position. Moreno should take note.

If he loses his squad role, it will be to a new LB or another converted winger rather than a defensive player because of the system Klopp wants to play. No offence to Flanno but he isn't even first choice at Burnley this year.

jepovic · « **Reply #709 on:** October 31, 2016, 02:39:33 pm »

Quote from: SwordInYourGut on October 31, 2016, 12:11:42 pm

Zaha is one of the league's best in one v one situations. Don't blame Moreno at all for allowing him to cross. Rather that than get beaten and let him attack the box. Like the Europa league final.

It's also really difficult to time the cross with the runner so well from such a short distance. That's much harder than it looks - well done by CP.

newterp · « **Reply #710 on:** October 31, 2016, 02:40:53 pm »

On moving Moreno to the wing - why isn't that a reasonable option. The kid can and will press, is pretty fast, is getting better on crossing, and has a cannon of a shot.

It just seems to me that asking him to be responsible defensively while also attacking is a step too far for him - and that's not something to be ashamed about as it seems to happen to quite a few of modern attacking fullbacks.

MerseysideBrum · « **Reply #711 on:** October 31, 2016, 02:43:12 pm »

Quote from: newterp on October 31, 2016, 02:40:53 pm

On moving Moreno to the wing - why isn't that a reasonable option.

We don't play with wingers for a start. Thats before we consider the fact that moreno doesn't have the ability to be a winger for us.

Johns_Barn · « **Reply #712 on:** October 31, 2016, 02:48:11 pm »

I just do not get the hands behind defending. It looks awkward and like he is hampering himself. Also please stop turning your back on on the ball being played. In the crazy gang as a team bonding exercise they'd all line up on the goal line whilst someone smashed the ball at them....moreno needs this.

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Funky_Gibbons · « **Reply #713 on:** October 31, 2016, 03:05:17 pm »

Quote from: newterp on October 31, 2016, 02:40:53 pm

On moving Moreno to the wing - why isn't that a reasonable option. The kid can and will press, is pretty fast, is getting better on crossing, and has a cannon of a shot.

It just seems to me that asking him to be responsible defensively while also attacking is a step too far for him - and that's not something to be ashamed about as it seems to happen to quite a few of modern attacking fullbacks.

As with a lot of attacking full-backs, the reason they look good going forward is because they have wide open areas of space to run into. When you’re a winger that space is more limited so it’s much harder to use your pace (same applies to Markovic but in reverse, he looked better as a wing back than a winger).

Not sure he has a ‘cannon’ of a shot either, he’s struck a couple of decent shots but generally a lot of his shots a pretty wayward and he doesn’t have much composure in front of goal.

simbo · « **Reply #714 on:** October 31, 2016, 05:23:02 pm »

Quote from: SwordInYourGut on October 31, 2016, 02:11:16 pm

If he loses his squad role, it will be to a new LB or another converted winger rather than a defensive player because of the system Klopp wants to play. No offence to Flanno but he isn't even first choice at Burnley this year.

Agree, flanno in football terms was born 16 years to late, he's a 1990's fullback at best.

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simbo · « **Reply #715 on:** October 31, 2016, 05:25:21 pm »

Quote from: MerseysideBrum on October 31, 2016, 11:09:05 am

I'm with you. He has much to improve on but he has the talent to be a fantastic left back for the way we play. We'll find out if he has the mindset/mental ability by the end of this season I reckon.

Either way it won't be down to lack of effort or desire on his part, klopp said he's been the best player in training for weeks and have no reason to doubt him

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Keita Success · « **Reply #716 on:** October 31, 2016, 05:32:26 pm »

Quote from: simbo on October 31, 2016, 05:25:21 pm

Either way it won't be down to lack of effort or desire on his part, klopp said he's been the best player in training for weeks and have no reason to doubt him

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simbo · « **Reply #717 on:** October 31, 2016, 05:41:48 pm »

Quote from: Something Stingy on October 31, 2016, 05:32:26 pm

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IzeOfAnfield · « **Reply #718 on:** October 31, 2016, 05:48:29 pm »

When Gary Neville talked about failed wingers becoming full backs that's Moreno in a nutshell. However, with that being said he has a role to play on this team. Against the smaller teams I don't think Moreno is as big a liability, and he can make up for lack of defense with his ability going forward, but I'd much prefer to go back to Milner for the bigger games when our backline needs to be more compact.

Dull Tools · « **Reply #719 on:** October 31, 2016, 05:50:49 pm »

Quote from: SwordInYourGut on October 31, 2016, 02:11:16 pm

If he loses his squad role, it will be to a new LB or another converted winger rather than a defensive player because of the system Klopp wants to play. No offence to Flanno but he isn't even first choice at Burnley this year.

Flanno has had pretty much 2 years out and is still getting his fitness back. How about letting him have a run of games before criticising him? And Clyne is hardly attacking and Klopp seems to like him.