Topic: Alberto Moreno: Ghost in the Shell

[ToneLa]

Two league starts last season and people think he's got a future here? I can't see it.

But where are the bids and why is he playing lately?

[Dim Glas]

But where are the bids and why is he playing lately?

No one is getting 90 mins a game yet, plenty of game time for most of 'em.

Moreno hasn't ever caused any bother, he's a good trainer, the coaches genuinley seem to like the lad. There isn't a reason why he wouldn't be involved.

Stewart was playing too this pre-season, he didn't have much of a future here.

The bids part - who knows, there was interest from Napoli apparently? There isnt exactly a lot of news coming out of the club regards interest for him or Sakho either though. Tough market maybe!

[redmark]

But where are the bids and why is he playing lately?

Robertson didn't sign in time to make the Asia trophy squad.

On sales, I think we've toughened up a little. Rather than take the first offer that comes in, we seem to be confident as the window progresses that some club somewhere will realise they're short a LB and meet our asking price.

[Purple Red]

You are critical of supporters being optimistic and wanting potential to be realised? Who invited a killjoy to the party.

Are you going to visit the Sakho, Markovic and Flanagan threads too?

It's one thing wanting a player to realise their potential, it's another to think he has a future here despite significant evidence on the contrary.

Would also dispute the idea that Moreno has potential that would be good enough even if he did realise it here.

[BabuYagu]

It's one thing wanting a player to realise their potential, it's another to think he has a future here despite significant evidence on the contrary.

Would also dispute the idea that Moreno has potential that would be good enough even if he did realise it here.

There is very little wrong with Moreno. It´s just that the few problems he has are a massive massive problem to any team he plays on and he seems incapable of adjusting his game to negate these problems or improving these weaknesses through coaching.

[SwordInYourGut]

There is very little wrong with Moreno. It´s just that the few problems he has are a massive massive problem to any team he plays on and he seems incapable of adjusting his game to negate these problems or improving these weaknesses through coaching.

What do you think about Moreno as a wingback in a 3-5-2/3-4-3? Fouls would still be an issue but dribbled past wouldn't be as much of a problem, and he'd be further away from our goal. From the reception Alonso, Moses, Walker and Rose have received this season, it feels to me like people have very low expectations from wingbacks and anything they actually do is massively credited especially in attack. If you want to press high as a team and win the ball, surely Moreno's high volume of tackles would be seen as a positive for a wingback?   

[BabuYagu]

What do you think about Moreno as a wingback in a 3-5-2/3-4-3? Fouls would still be an issue but dribbled past wouldn't be as much of a problem, and he'd be further away from our goal. From the reception Alonso, Moses, Walker and Rose have received this season, it feels to me like people have very low expectations from wingbacks and anything they actually do is massively credited especially in attack. If you want to press high as a team and win the ball, surely Moreno's high volume of tackles would be seen as a positive for a wingback?

I think he would be far better in a wingback as he doesn´t need to worry about who is in front of him and has a LOT of space to run into plus he knows there will be someone protecting in behind him, which seems a big problem for him. He goes forward very early in the transition which is great as it adds an outlet on the counter but if play breaks down in the transition phase we are exposed.

However, a wing back system doesn´t suit how Klopp would like to play so I doubt it´s something we would see here. There is very little difference between our front three and Chelsea´s. They are pretty much as narrow as each other. The problem is Klopp wouldn´t sacrifice a central midfielder for another center back as Conte has, except for specific threats. Therefore it becomes a moot point.

[LallanaInPyjamas]

You are critical of supporters being optimistic and wanting potential to be realised? Who invited a killjoy to the party.

Are you going to visit the Sakho, Markovic and Flanagan threads too?

If people want to insist they have a future then yeah (but I can't say I'm seeing that this summer with Sakho and Markovic as the penny finally appears to have dropped). The manager clearly doesn't rate any of them as good enough for Liverpool and neither do I fwiw.

[clinical]

Moreno has pace, strength, technical ability. In fact physically he has pretty much everything needed to be a top fullback apart from one thing that you can't teach. A football brain. Really is clueless sometimes which is a shame because everything else is there. He makes Enrique look like a footballing genius.

[CraigDS]

Moreno has pace, strength, technical ability. In fact physically he has pretty much everything needed to be a top fullback apart from one thing that you can't teach.

Physically he probably lacks about 6".

[clinical]

Physically he probably lacks about 6".

Well yeah he could be taller. But he's really strong.

[BabuYagu]

Well yeah he could be taller. But he's really strong.

I personally think that low center of gravity gives him an advantage to deal with the players of similar build that he faces. Generally speaking, the taller & heavier a player is, the lower their agility and acceleration will be. Of course each players body is different so I am sure there are some tall agile players. But there is definitely a correlation there. Do you think there could ever be a player who plays like Messi in Akinfenwa´s body? It looks physiologically impossible.

[El Lobo]

Physically he probably lacks about 6".

That's what she said

[Redcap]

That's what she said

[Goalposts for Jumpers]

Physically he probably lacks about 6".

[Carra-ton]

Keep Moreno, use him a emergency winger/third-choice left-back/second-half substitute to bring energy on the wing in certain matches. We could do with lot worse. Question is, will he be happy to serve such a role, are his wages worth keeping him in such a role. Plus, Klopp seems to not have a high opinion of him.
One crucial point in his favour - Coutinho likes having him around, now how do you figure.

[Goalposts for Jumpers]

Keep Moreno, use him a emergency winger/third-choice left-back/second-half substitute to bring energy on the wing in certain matches. We could do with lot worse. Question is, will he be happy to serve such a role, are his wages worth keeping him in such a role. Plus, Klopp seems to not have a high opinion of him.
One crucial point in his favour - Coutinho likes having him around, now how do you figure.

I was very surprised he wasn't used more in this capacity last season, especially given how fucked Coutinho and Firmino looked at certain times. Playing higher up the pitch he would be relatively low risk if he has a brain-fart, and he certainly puts himself about making a lot of tackles and interceptions and he has recovery speed and can use his speed on the break (assuming we are leading and have retreated somewhat). In fact, lack of subs, in general, is my biggest mystery with Klopp - I just don't get his reluctance to use his bench. There must be a reason for it.

[BabuYagu]

Surely if we are wanting someone to bring on to give new energy on the wings we have to be looking at Kent & Wilson etc They will benefit most from those minutes on the pitch. It´s why I am reluctant to have depth for depths sake. You end up in situations where those moments you could have risk-free looks at the youths you are giving minutes to seniors just to keep them match sharp and involved.

[Goalposts for Jumpers]

Surely if we are wanting someone to bring on to give new energy on the wings we have to be looking at Kent & Wilson etc They will benefit most from those minutes on the pitch. It´s why I am reluctant to have depth for depths sake. You end up in situations where those moments you could have risk-free looks at the youths you are giving minutes to seniors just to keep them match sharp and involved.

I agree to an extent. Would love to see the youngsters coming on around the 60min mark when we're 3-0 at home to Watford, etc. But protecting a lead away at City with Coutinho looking like he's about to fall over after just putting in the match of his life and I would be inclined to view Moreno as the perfect option off the bench.

That said, given he'll be on 1st team wages and he still retains some value I can understand letting him go and having a more compact/focused squad.

[LallanaInPyjamas]

Surely if we are wanting someone to bring on to give new energy on the wings we have to be looking at Kent & Wilson etc They will benefit most from those minutes on the pitch. It´s why I am reluctant to have depth for depths sake. You end up in situations where those moments you could have risk-free looks at the youths you are giving minutes to seniors just to keep them match sharp and involved.

Spot on. There's absolutely no point in keeping players like Moreno, Markovic etc as "low risk" squad options. Their wages and transfer value should be reinvested into the playing squad, be it new players or increasing the wages/length of contract of those we do deem good enough.

[Carra-ton]

Surely if we are wanting someone to bring on to give new energy on the wings we have to be looking at Kent & Wilson etc They will benefit most from those minutes on the pitch. It´s why I am reluctant to have depth for depths sake. You end up in situations where those moments you could have risk-free looks at the youths you are giving minutes to seniors just to keep them match sharp and involved.

I agree that we better use Kent especially if we need subs for energy. But, maybe if we need experience and energy then Moreno would be suitable, but again his experience is not valued by Klopp.

[Medellin]

Fuck knows where i heard or read it from but is there any truth in Moreno's possible exit influencing Phil's decision?
Probably a load of shite but if there is a hint of truth in it we should be giving Moreno a new contract. 

[Fiasco]

Fuck knows where i heard or read it from but is there any truth in Moreno's possible exit influencing Phil's decision?
Probably a load of shite but if there is a hint of truth in it we should be giving Moreno a new contract. 

Well it certainly wont help Phil. Lucas has already left and Moreno's future is very uncertain. Our South American and Spanish contingent seem very close (as you would expect), and I cant help thinking that 2 of the group leaving will have a negative impact. Moreno seems like a boss lad, he hasn't kicked up a fuss, he busts a gut when he does get a chance and obviously Phil and Bobby love having him around.

I don't know. I cant see it being the deciding factor by any means but it wont help Phil if two of his closest friends in the club leave in the same summer.

[Funky_Gibbons]

We could do with lot worse.

No we couldn't.

[BabuYagu]

I agree to an extent. Would love to see the youngsters coming on around the 60min mark when we're 3-0 at home to Watford, etc. But protecting a lead away at City with Coutinho looking like he's about to fall over after just putting in the match of his life and I would be inclined to view Moreno as the perfect option off the bench.

That said, given he'll be on 1st team wages and he still retains some value I can understand letting him go and having a more compact/focused squad.

In those situations, you could just stack Milner in front of Robertson (or vice versa). Or TAA in front of Clyne. If you are worried about a particularly fast player, put Gini on him. He´ll do nothing down that flank all game.

[Chrismonster]

For some reason I still haven't given up hope on him yet. Don't get me wrong, it wouldn't be much of a loss( if last seasons contribution is anything to go by) if he was to leave us. I guess I'm just hoping he's a late developer with regard to the tactical side of his game, because technically and physically, he's got more than enough ability to become an excellent player.

Just out of interest, Has Klopp given the press any indication about his LFC future yet?       

[Redman78]

In those situations, you could just stack Milner in front of Robertson (or vice versa). Or TAA in front of Clyne. If you are worried about a particularly fast player, put Gini on him. He´ll do nothing down that flank all game.

I've never understood the shouts for Moreno as LW myself.  Anyway if he stays I can't see him making the bench most games.

[Purple Red]

I was very surprised he wasn't used more in this capacity last season, especially given how fucked Coutinho and Firmino looked at certain times. Playing higher up the pitch he would be relatively low risk if he has a brain-fart, and he certainly puts himself about making a lot of tackles and interceptions and he has recovery speed and can use his speed on the break (assuming we are leading and have retreated somewhat). In fact, lack of subs, in general, is my biggest mystery with Klopp - I just don't get his reluctance to use his bench. There must be a reason for it.

Why would a club like Liverpool play players on the basis of what they can't screw up? We want players who add to our team, not ones who merely don't take away anything.

[Legoland]

Would love to see him given a shot on the wings.

[Purple Red]

Would love to see him given a shot on the wings.

Why? You need a football brain to play out there as well and there seems to be a general consensus amongst Reds that that is his fundamental flaw.

[Goalposts for Jumpers]

Why would a club like Liverpool play players on the basis of what they can't screw up? We want players who add to our team, not ones who merely don't take away anything.

It says it in literally the next sentence - "he certainly puts himself about making a lot of tackles and interceptions and he has recovery speed and can use his speed on the break".

All players make mistakes, it's about managing their impact. He's a very good fullback who is prone to some very poor decisions. Doesn't make him completely unusable.

[PeterTheRed ...]

Milner will be playing left back this season so it is 3 left backs.  Moreno won't make the bench most of the time if he stays

Yes, we all assumed that, but it seems that Klopp has other ideas.

[Purple Red]

Yes, we all assumed that, but it seems that Klopp has other ideas.

Why's that then?

[sonny crockett]

I thought we already sold him months ago, that's how far in the back of my mind I want to think of him.

[Schmidt]

Not really in the spirit of the thread title here but this just reminded me of how absurd he's been at times.

https://vimeo.com/226959141

[Redman78]

Yes, we all assumed that, but it seems that Klopp has other ideas.

What because he's getting games in pre season whilst Milners injured?

[Oside Red]

Not really in the spirit of the thread title here but this just reminded me of how absurd he's been at times.

https://vimeo.com/226959141

I'd blocked out some of those moments.  Brutal.

[Endoe]

Physically he has it all, lacks game intelligence something chronic.Doesnt seemed to have improved that side of his game at all, no doubt Klopp and co would been trying.If he can get that correct, when to run, tackle, hold back, NOT lunge in, he'd have all the ingredients to be a great fullback, just not going to be happening here.Anyone know what wages he's on?Perhaps he'll refuse tomleave, if he's on good coin!?!? He seems to really get along with some of the lads off the pitch and maybe doesn't fancy a big pay cut , even at the expense of first team football.if that's the case maybe he'll be here another season.If he could just improve his decision making....

[88_RED]

Physically he has it all, lacks game intelligence something chronic.Doesnt seemed to have improved that side of his game at all, no doubt Klopp and co would been trying.If he can get that correct, when to run, tackle, hold back, NOT lunge in, he'd have all the ingredients to be a great fullback, just not going to be happening here.Anyone know what wages he's on?Perhaps he'll refuse tomleave, if he's on good coin!?!? He seems to really get along with some of the lads off the pitch and maybe doesn't fancy a big pay cut , even at the expense of first team football.if that's the case maybe he'll be here another season.If he could just improve his decision making....

Isn't he too young to be thinking about Money.. His best footballing years are hopefully ahead of him.. just not here..

[moloch]

Not really in the spirit of the thread title here but this just reminded me of how absurd he's been at times.

https://vimeo.com/226959141

Yeah, he is not a defender. Would probably do well as a wing back.