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How do we think the UK Will do - Assuming Brexit happens (Hard or Soft..)

Things will be brilliant from the word go and will get better every week!
Things will start off a bit dodgy, but over time things gradually improve and get better
Things will start off dodgy and remain that way for the forseeable future
Things will start off dodgy and then decline slightly with things getting a bit worse
Complete clusterfuck from start to finish

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« Reply #6120 on: September 11, 2017, 11:26:33 pm »
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Nice line from @JamesFrith - 'We need a Brexit that works for the 48 and the 52, not the 1922'
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« Reply #6121 on: September 11, 2017, 11:31:36 pm »
Adam Dyster‏ @AdamDyster 3m3 minutes ago

Nice line from @JamesFrith - 'We need a Brexit that works for the 48 and the 52, not the 1922'

There is literally no such thing.
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« Reply #6122 on: September 12, 2017, 12:18:02 am »
A Government majority of 22.
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« Reply #6123 on: September 12, 2017, 12:30:14 am »
A Government majority of 22.

With not a single Tory breaking ranks, quelle surprise ::)
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« Reply #6124 on: September 12, 2017, 12:36:18 am »
With not a single Tory breaking ranks, quelle surprise ::)

They didn't need to thanks to the Labour "rebels" like Skinner.
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« Reply #6125 on: September 12, 2017, 12:38:26 am »
They didn't need to thanks to the Labour "rebels" like Skinner.

Yep, no point risking the wrath of the party whips when the 'opposition' will do your dirty work for you.
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« Reply #6126 on: September 12, 2017, 07:44:17 am »
This thread has been too painful to read..


The stupidity of the whole situation is one I'm trying to ignore now...

It's just too much,..


I'm with you on this.

It's just making me too stressed.

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« Reply #6127 on: September 12, 2017, 11:09:42 am »
They didn't need to thanks to the Labour "rebels" like Skinner.

Hasn't Skinner though always been anti EU, he actually voted to leave on June 23rd so isn't he just sticking with his principals and being utterly consistent?

Flint though campaigned to stay in the EU so who's being the rebel?

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« Reply #6128 on: September 12, 2017, 11:38:30 am »
Hasn't Skinner though always been anti EU, he actually voted to leave on June 23rd so isn't he just sticking with his principals and being utterly consistent?

Flint though campaigned to stay in the EU so who's being the rebel?

You can be anti-EU and support Brexit but refuse to vote for a transparent power grab in the name of Brexit. Opposing this is an attempt to stop Brexit, article 50 has been triggered.  Evoke "will of the people" and people seem to timidly fall at the knees.

I'm just shocked how easily democracy can be circumvented in such a blatant way with the meekest of opposition.
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« Reply #6129 on: September 12, 2017, 11:46:47 am »
Hasn't Skinner though always been anti EU, he actually voted to leave on June 23rd so isn't he just sticking with his principals and being utterly consistent?

Flint though campaigned to stay in the EU so who's being the rebel?

    Corbyn voted against membership in 1975, voted against the Maastricht Treaty in 1993, and voted against the Lisbon Treaty in 2009. He has opposed the EU at every opportunity.

    “The European Central Bank will undermine any social objective that any Labour Government in the United Kingdom — or any other Government — would wish to carry out.” Jeremy Corbyn, Hansard

    “What powers do we have to do anything about the fraud in EU institutions? Much of that money seems to find its way into the hands of the Mafia or into grandiose, unwanted and often badly-built construction projects that are of no use to anybody.” Jeremy Corbyn, Hansard

    “The Treaty on European Union takes away from national Parliaments the power to set economic policy and hands it over to an unelected set of bankers” Jeremy Corbyn, Hansard

    “There is a real risk that Greece leaves both the eurozone and the EU. Its future would be uncertain, but at least it could be its own ... There is no future for a usurious Europe that turns its smaller nations into colonies of debt peonage.” Jeremy Corbyn, Huffington Post

    “If the EU becomes a totally brutal organisation that treats every one of its member states in the way that the people of Greece have been treated at the moment, then I think it will lose a lot of support from a lot of people.” Jeremy Corbyn, LBC, 2015, quoted in the Telegraph

    Public opposition to the EU’s TTIP treaty is “a cri de coeur for democracy and for the right of people to elect a Government who can decide what goes on in their country.” Jeremy Corbyn, Hansard

    On the secrecy of the EU’s TTIP negotiations: “Is it because there are ante-rooms on either side of the Atlantic stuffed full of highly effective corporate lobbyists doing their best to develop their own interests?” Jeremy Corbyn, Hansard

    Morocco’s occupation of the Western Sahara “involves the gross abuse of human rights and theft of natural resources - and the EU is directly responsible.” Jeremy Corbyn on his blog, recently deleted.
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« Reply #6130 on: September 12, 2017, 12:35:19 pm »
    Corbyn voted against membership in 1975, voted against the Maastricht Treaty in 1993, and voted against the Lisbon Treaty in 2009. He has opposed the EU at every opportunity.

    “The European Central Bank will undermine any social objective that any Labour Government in the United Kingdom — or any other Government — would wish to carry out.” Jeremy Corbyn, Hansard

    “What powers do we have to do anything about the fraud in EU institutions? Much of that money seems to find its way into the hands of the Mafia or into grandiose, unwanted and often badly-built construction projects that are of no use to anybody.” Jeremy Corbyn, Hansard

    “The Treaty on European Union takes away from national Parliaments the power to set economic policy and hands it over to an unelected set of bankers” Jeremy Corbyn, Hansard

    “There is a real risk that Greece leaves both the eurozone and the EU. Its future would be uncertain, but at least it could be its own ... There is no future for a usurious Europe that turns its smaller nations into colonies of debt peonage.” Jeremy Corbyn, Huffington Post

    “If the EU becomes a totally brutal organisation that treats every one of its member states in the way that the people of Greece have been treated at the moment, then I think it will lose a lot of support from a lot of people.” Jeremy Corbyn, LBC, 2015, quoted in the Telegraph

    Public opposition to the EU’s TTIP treaty is “a cri de coeur for democracy and for the right of people to elect a Government who can decide what goes on in their country.” Jeremy Corbyn, Hansard

    On the secrecy of the EU’s TTIP negotiations: “Is it because there are ante-rooms on either side of the Atlantic stuffed full of highly effective corporate lobbyists doing their best to develop their own interests?” Jeremy Corbyn, Hansard

    Morocco’s occupation of the Western Sahara “involves the gross abuse of human rights and theft of natural resources - and the EU is directly responsible.” Jeremy Corbyn on his blog, recently deleted.


I thought I was speaking about Dennis Skinner, not everything is about Corbyn

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« Reply #6131 on: September 12, 2017, 01:04:31 pm »
    Corbyn voted against membership in 1975, voted against the Maastricht Treaty in 1993, and voted against the Lisbon Treaty in 2009. He has opposed the EU at every opportunity.

    “The European Central Bank will undermine any social objective that any Labour Government in the United Kingdom — or any other Government — would wish to carry out.” Jeremy Corbyn, Hansard

    “What powers do we have to do anything about the fraud in EU institutions? Much of that money seems to find its way into the hands of the Mafia or into grandiose, unwanted and often badly-built construction projects that are of no use to anybody.” Jeremy Corbyn, Hansard

    “The Treaty on European Union takes away from national Parliaments the power to set economic policy and hands it over to an unelected set of bankers” Jeremy Corbyn, Hansard

    “There is a real risk that Greece leaves both the eurozone and the EU. Its future would be uncertain, but at least it could be its own ... There is no future for a usurious Europe that turns its smaller nations into colonies of debt peonage.” Jeremy Corbyn, Huffington Post

    “If the EU becomes a totally brutal organisation that treats every one of its member states in the way that the people of Greece have been treated at the moment, then I think it will lose a lot of support from a lot of people.” Jeremy Corbyn, LBC, 2015, quoted in the Telegraph

    Public opposition to the EU’s TTIP treaty is “a cri de coeur for democracy and for the right of people to elect a Government who can decide what goes on in their country.” Jeremy Corbyn, Hansard

    On the secrecy of the EU’s TTIP negotiations: “Is it because there are ante-rooms on either side of the Atlantic stuffed full of highly effective corporate lobbyists doing their best to develop their own interests?” Jeremy Corbyn, Hansard

    Morocco’s occupation of the Western Sahara “involves the gross abuse of human rights and theft of natural resources - and the EU is directly responsible.” Jeremy Corbyn on his blog, recently deleted.

One thing we've learned over the last 2 yrs is all these anti EU claims get torn to shreds when challenged." the power of the unelected Bankers". no wonder Frottage is a fan.
His attitude towards Greece is a big concern, if Greece had done what Corbyn suggests then the countrys economy would have collapsed completely. the EU he claims forced Greece into debt peonage actually helped Greece recover, reducing their debt, forcing the Country to accept the facts of life.

    “There is a real risk that Greece leaves both the eurozone and the EU. Its future would be uncertain, but at least it could be its own e leaves both the eurozone and the EU. Its future would be uncertain, but at least it could be its own ... There is no future for a usurious Europe that turns its smaller nations into colonies of debt peonage.”
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« Reply #6132 on: September 12, 2017, 01:46:27 pm »
Giles Fraser saying on the Daily Politics that if the economy tanks in order to achieve Brexit then so be it. Nice little insight into the Lexiteers head for you.

Personally I am pissed off as to why the Beeb let a person of religion on the show. Those fuckers should be shunned from life.

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« Reply #6134 on: September 12, 2017, 02:39:20 pm »
I thought I was speaking about Dennis Skinner, not everything is about Corbyn

I really couldn't give a fuck about Skinner who is an irrelevance.
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« Reply #6135 on: September 12, 2017, 02:52:53 pm »
UK inflation rate rises to 2.9%

The UK's inflation rate climbed to its joint highest in more than five years in August as the price of petrol and clothing rose.

UK inflation measured by the Consumer Prices Index rose to 2.9% in August, up from 2.6% in July, figures show.

The fall in the value of sterling since the EU referendum continued to be a major impetus for rising prices, the Office for National Statistics said.

But a rebound in the price of oil also had an impact, pushing up fuel prices.

The bigger-than-expected rise in inflation comes ahead of the Bank of England's next announcement on interest rates on Thursday.

However, economists said the Bank was still highly unlikely to raise rates at the meeting.

Rising clothing costs

According to the ONS, the prices of most goods climbed during August, largely because of rising import costs for retailers.

However, clothing and footwear prices had the biggest impact, climbing 4.6% year-on-year, their highest level since records began.

Petrol also pushed the overall cost of living higher, increasing 1.8p a litre to 115.7p during the month, while diesel gained 2p to 117.6p.

The TUC's general secretary, Frances O'Grady, said the "cost of living squeeze" was continuing, with rising inflation outpacing wages.

"The government needs to get a grip and get pay rising across the economy," she said.

The most recent wages data showed average weekly earnings rising at an annual pace of 2.1%. New figures on pay are due to be released on Wednesday.

Ian Stewart, chief economist at Deloitte, said: "It is pretty remarkable that, with inflation near 3% and unemployment at the lowest level in over 40 years, we are not seeing much wage inflation."

August's inflation rate is far above the Bank of England's target of 2%. The Bank has said it expects inflation to reach 3% in October, but start to ease early in 2018.

Paul Hollingsworth, UK economist at Capital Economics, said the latest figures were likely to provide "further ammunition" to those members of the Bank's rate-setting Monetary Policy Committee who favour an earlier rise in interest rates.

"However, we don't think the rise in CPI inflation has much further to run," he added.

"Indeed, we expect it to peak at 3.1% in October, before dropping back next year as the impact of the pound's fall starts to fade."

Samuel Tombs, chief UK economist at Pantheon Macroeconomics, added: "We still think the chances of a rate rise this year are remote.

"Domestically-generated inflation is subdued, inflation expectations have remained well-anchored and GDP growth is too weak to warrant higher rates."

The ONS's preferred measure of inflation CPIH - which includes owner-occupiers' housing costs - rose to 2.7% last month from 2.6% in July.

The Retail Prices Index (RPI) measure of inflation rose to 3.9% in August from 3.6%.

Analysis: Andy Verity, BBC economics correspondent

Here's a few details from the inflation numbers. Coffee - up 5.1%. Petrol - up 5.1%. Clothing - up 5.1%. Oils and fats (including butter) - up 5.9%. Electricity - up 9%. Then there is the price of fish - up 9.6%.

Now of course to get the average rise in the cost of living you have to lump in those moves with other items falling in price (air fares, second-hand cars, toys and games) to get the average of 2.9%. But even that number is worrying when wages at the last count could only manage a rise of 2.1%.

August's inflation rate of 2.9% equals the peak rate seen in May. The market had expected 2.8% - so it did have an effect. On the currency markets, traders pushed up the value of the pound to $1.327 - its highest in months.

Before the figures came out, traders in the City had anticipated a rise in interest rates by next May. Now they're betting it's more likely to happen next February. Nevertheless, that would only take the official rate back to where it was before the post-referendum emergency cut last August and further rate rises could take years. That's because the economy is growing only modestly.

If only it were growing as fast as prices.

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« Reply #6136 on: September 12, 2017, 02:53:00 pm »
I really couldn't give a fuck about Skinner who is an irrelevance.

Given the margins a lot of these votes could be won or lost by (on the bill as a whole or amendments), I don't think any MP is an irrelevance.

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« Reply #6137 on: September 12, 2017, 03:12:59 pm »
I really couldn't give a fuck about Skinner who is an irrelevance.




I'm sure his constituents do....

Great answer by the way...
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« Reply #6138 on: September 12, 2017, 06:43:20 pm »
I'm sure his constituents do....

Great answer by the way...

Thanks. I thought so.

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« Reply #6139 on: September 12, 2017, 07:02:44 pm »
Thanks. I thought so.

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I'm sure when you posted that you probably thought it was humourous in a Reeves and Mortimer surreal kinda way.

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« Reply #6140 on: September 12, 2017, 07:56:22 pm »
I fucking hate Rees-Mogg and cannot understand how some of our members think that he is a sound fella who is just misunderstood.
He's a posh twat but he knows it and doesn't pretend to be something he isn't, when I was posting his videos before the referendum it wasm because he eloquently put the points for brexit, although the temptation to play the man rather than the ball proved too tempting for some on here it did produce some good debate. 
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« Reply #6141 on: September 12, 2017, 08:00:45 pm »
He's a posh twat but he knows it and doesn't pretend to be something he isn't, when I was posting his videos before the referendum it wasm because he eloquently put the points for brexit, although the temptation to play the man rather than the ball proved too tempting for some on here it did produce some good debate. 


There are some reasons for Brexit and some things around protectionsim people can get behind but the Rees-Mogg idea of Brexit is pribably the most dangerous form of Brexit for this country.

He wants free markets to run wild. Thats removing all rules and regulations, privatising the shit out of everything, dumping environmental regulation and us having a race to the bottom in terms of standards. The only benefit to his form of Brexit would be high levels of immigration.

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« Reply #6142 on: September 12, 2017, 10:02:30 pm »
I'm sure when you posted that you probably thought it was humourous in a Reeves and Mortimer surreal kinda way.

Don't give up the day job eh.

It's just a football website lad, and if you want to post passive aggressive gifs in a politics thread I'll post shite gifs in reply.  Have nice evening.
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« Reply #6143 on: September 12, 2017, 10:42:01 pm »
He's a posh twat but he knows it and doesn't pretend to be something he isn't, when I was posting his videos before the referendum it wasm because he eloquently put the points for brexit, although the temptation to play the man rather than the ball proved too tempting for some on here it did produce some good debate. 


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« Reply #6144 on: September 12, 2017, 11:00:43 pm »
Phase 2 of the Tory take over is complete they are voting themselves total control without the British people giving it to them.
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Phase 2 of the Tory take over is complete they are voting themselves total control without the British people giving it to them.

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« Reply #6146 on: September 12, 2017, 11:30:17 pm »
Phase 2 of the Tory take over is complete they are voting themselves total control without the British people giving it to them.

Hmmm.

...Any Labour MPs who votes with the Tories should be deselected.

So, I assume you'll be vociferously calling for Skinner to now be deselected?
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« Reply #6147 on: September 13, 2017, 02:14:02 am »
Hmmm.

So, I assume you'll be vociferously calling for Skinner to now be deselected?

Yes.

I know he always votes against the EU but there was no excuse for that vote.

When people talk about him in future people will say remember when he voted to give the Tories unlimited powers.

Fuck knows what he was thinking.
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Re: Brexit - What would those in power get out of it? The Fallout Thread..
« Reply #6148 on: September 13, 2017, 02:18:11 am »
I bet it won't be to long before we hear a Tory Mp say maybe the next election should be postponed until Brexit is sorted.

And before you can say "dictatorship" a minster with his new sweeping powers will ok it. 
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Re: Brexit - What would those in power get out of it? The Fallout Thread..
« Reply #6149 on: September 13, 2017, 11:28:53 am »
Chris Bryant

It feels as if the major from Fawlty Towers has taken over the Tory campaign.
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« Reply #6150 on: September 13, 2017, 12:49:58 pm »
And now they can control the Parliamentary committees too . . .

Government wins committee change vote
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41245903

320 votes to 301 - wtf happened to opposition?   :butt

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Re: Brexit - What would those in power get out of it? The Fallout Thread..
« Reply #6151 on: September 13, 2017, 12:58:46 pm »
And now they can control the Parliamentary committees too . . .

Government wins committee change vote
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41245903

320 votes to 301 - wtf happened to opposition?   :butt

Labour abdicated it's status as opposition when Corbyn whipped them through the lobbies in support of Brexit.
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« Reply #6152 on: September 13, 2017, 01:09:23 pm »
320 votes to 301 - wtf happened to opposition?   :butt
Labour abdicated it's status as opposition when Corbyn whipped them through the lobbies in support of Brexit.

What am I missing here? All opposition parties voted against this. What more could they do, given that the Tories propped up by the DUP have overall majority?

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« Reply #6153 on: September 13, 2017, 01:44:56 pm »




https://twitter.com/TechnicallyRon/status/907892847227043840

Love the way he's telling the Brexiters who reply to this which one they actually are  ;D

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« Reply #6154 on: September 13, 2017, 01:56:50 pm »
https://twitter.com/TechnicallyRon/status/907892847227043840

Love the way he's telling the Brexiters who reply to this which one they actually are  ;D

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« Reply #6155 on: September 13, 2017, 02:00:09 pm »
What am I missing here? All opposition parties voted against this. What more could they do, given that the Tories propped up by the DUP have overall majority?

It's too late.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/07/labour-three-line-whip-to-force-mps-to-back-unamended-brexit-bill
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Re: Brexit - What would those in power get out of it? The Fallout Thread..
« Reply #6156 on: September 13, 2017, 05:17:24 pm »
He's a posh twat but he knows it and doesn't pretend to be something he isn't, when I was posting his videos before the referendum it wasm because he eloquently put the points for brexit, although the temptation to play the man rather than the ball proved too tempting for some on here it did produce some good debate. 


I'll give him that much, he won't be telling anyone to 'call me Jake' or pretend to support some footy team he couldn't find on a map.

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« Reply #6157 on: September 13, 2017, 06:19:51 pm »
A poll of Welsh voters.



At the end of May, it was 33% support vs 56% oppose.



At the end of May, it was 42% Remain vs 45% Leave

http://www.itv.com/news/wales/2017-09-11/labour-lead-increases-as-support-for-2nd-eu-vote-grows/

September's poll's data
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/v05j7vbpt2/WelshBarometerResults_170907_W.pdf

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« Reply #6158 on: September 13, 2017, 06:20:37 pm »
What am I missing here? . . .
Sorry, I was perhaps hinting at opposition in general rather than The Opposition in particular.  The divides were never (initially at least) along party lines and I maybe expected to see more evidence of opposition to the madness, but it turns out that the 'remain' Tories are every bit as spineless and power hungry as their bastard brexit brethren.

Its a cliché, but what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander and effectively guaranteeing that all committees have an outright majority rather than reflecting the balance of Parliament means that the effective scrutiny of all future legislation is at stake.  As was mentioned earlier - do we think that when the boot eventually makes it to the other foot these rules will be reversed?

Formidable though she may be, we can't just rely on Gina Miller to pull us back from the precipice, although I would piss myself if the DUP bribe is somehow challenged successfully.

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« Reply #6159 on: September 13, 2017, 06:36:08 pm »
There are some reasons for Brexit and some things around protectionsim people can get behind but the Rees-Mogg idea of Brexit is pribably the most dangerous form of Brexit for this country.

He wants free markets to run wild. Thats removing all rules and regulations, privatising the shit out of everything, dumping environmental regulation and us having a race to the bottom in terms of standards. The only benefit to his form of Brexit would be high levels of immigration.

There would be rivers of shit.
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