Topic: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager

[macca888]

It was just mums really,.. I felt the need to draw the line somewhere

When it's mums only, some of those fuckers fight dirtier than the dads. My only rule in that case would be no touching of the hair or face.



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[jordyball10]

some right idiots on show here tonight.

Thats drink for ya

[Millie]

Has Fordy been banned?  Expected him to be all over this

[Smug Cassandra]

So if the moons had aligned just a little bit more, if Sterling had been rightly called onside at the Etihad, would it have been a terrible appointment? More pertinently, would you be saying so?

I think it was terrible because of his experience level and track record prior. Its like putting a CEO who has managed Argos in charge of General Electric. IMO it's a forum where opinions are just that.

[Alan_X]

So now we quantify our support for the manager of Liverpool based on who hired him?

I despised him, I truly did. And god yeah, out of the two (Hodgson/Rodgers), it isn't even close. (That being said, I'd take the Anfield Cat as manager over Hodsgon.) But for those expousing tradition and support and stability, there is more than a bit of hypocrisy in saying, "Yeah, but Hodgson's different."

(edited for some odd quoting issue.)

Pack it in lad.

[DPB RED]

Just want to wish Brendan the best of luck in his next job.
FSG really should of made this decision in the summer.
Remember the last home game of the season and watching Brendan walk around the pitch on his own.
I thought then he looked a shadow of the manager that was walking around the same pitch the season before.
Missing out on that elusive premier league title was the begining of the end sadly.
Never really recovered and perhaps today's events are best for both LFC and Brendan.

[Mahern]

I think it was terrible because of his experience level and track record prior. Its like putting a CEO who has managed Argos in charge of General Electric. IMO it's a forum where opinions are just that.

That's your opinion of course, I am just struggling to understand how an appalling line decision is the difference between a Liverpool god and a terrible appointment. That is all. Peace.

[Wrigley]

True. But if you want to get where you want, you need to move in the right direction.

Agreed mate, I wasn't applying it to the sacking per se, just the point someone made that patience and longevity are no longer valid principles.

Think they've given Rodgers a fair amount of time, It's a shame to see him go after showing so much promise, but we do seem to have terminally stagnated under him.

What breaks my heart is that as a fan base we could have done more.

[PhiLFC#1]

We've got either Klopp or Ancelotti, been happening a few weeks

[Alan_X]

Was a terrible appointment in the first place. He almost became a Liverpool god but was too naive and couldn't close out the title from an amazing position.

Very happy we will be getting a new manager. In fact can't wait. No more gambles. Proven hard nosed winners only please.

You clueless muppet.

[Leosheer]

I liked BR. He struck me as a decent man who understood the club's values and history. But the job is too big for a manager without a track record of success.

The academic research is very clear - changing managers is highly unlikely to improve the performance of a club unless it gets (i) lucky and appoints a hidden gem or (ii) a top, top manager.

As regards (ii), I have no faith in FSG  making the right decision. As Jamie said on Sky Sports, they their track record in this regard has been very poor. And it's not surprising - they don't understand football.

I fear we will be here again in 2-3 years time - i.e. sacking the manager after having spent a ton of money.

Sad days

[Ziltoid]

I think it was terrible because of his experience level and track record prior. Its like putting a CEO who has managed Argos in charge of General Electric. IMO it's a forum where opinions are just that.

GE in US or GEC in UK that went bust?  Argos seem to be doing ok in the UK.

[Caston]

I liked BR. He struck me as a decent man who understood the club's values and history. But the job is too big for a manager without a track record of success.

The academic research is very clear - changing managers is highly unlikely to improve the performance of a club unless it gets (i) lucky and appoints a hidden gem or (ii) you appoint a top, top manager.

As regards (ii), I have no faith in FSG  making the right decision. As Jamie said on Sky Sports, they their track record in this regard has been very poor. And it's not surprising - they don't understand football.

I fear we will be here again in 2-3 years time - i.e. sacking the manager after having spent a ton of money.

Sad days

Klopp/Ancelotti not top managers then?

[Caligula?]

Can anyone see him being appointed at Sunderland?

[Ziltoid]

Can anyone see him being appointed at Sunderland?

That's for Big Sam, what with the Newcastle malarkey.  can't wait

[PhiLFC#1]

You clueless muppet.

Are we allowed to criticize the manager now without being banned? No more fingers in ears?

[Gnurglan]

Agreed mate, I wasn't applying it to the sacking per se, just the point someone made that patience and longevity are no longer valid principles.

Think they've given Rodgers a fair amount of time, It's a shame to see him go after showing so much promise, but we do seem to have terminally stagnated under him.

What breaks my heart is that as a fan base we could have done more.

Patience is always sound, if we are doing the right things. Unfortunately, I don't think we have and the biggest problem is the transfers.

As fans, maybe we could have done more. In the end though, results matter. Rodgers couldn't deliver. And ever since Suarez left, we've lacked direction.

[Leosheer]

I think it was terrible because of his experience level and track record prior. Its like putting a CEO who has managed Argos in charge of General Electric.

Spot on. And you have to add another factor : the only way to get top players to join your club without (i) CL football or (ii) silly salaries is to have a manager they want to play for. Unfortunately, there are very few of those out there

[JackWard33]

Are we allowed to criticize the manager now without being banned? No more fingers in ears?

We don't have a manager so those of you that did have had their wish fulfilled... probably doesn't need any more digs does it?

[Leosheer]

Klopp/Ancelotti not top managers then?

Ancelotti yes; Klopp highly talented but unproven - his record at Dortmund is amazing but there have been lots of managers who did great things at one club but did not make it elsewhere

[Jinxsy]

Glad he is gone, now let's get a proven manager who can win trophies and bring in better players because of reputation.
Hope we get klopp now!

Fair enough mate - but I think you're in for a shock.

I don't see any manager coming here and making a difference unless the structure changes with him.
If FSG keep the committee, Ayre, & Gordon in the same jobs, doing the same things what difference do you genuinely believe a new manager will make in the long-term?
Bounce up the morale? Inject some new ideas? Change the training regime?? Effectively just freshen things up? All good and valuable no doubt, but in the grand scheme of things that's not likely to get the squad over-performing against budget and the challenges of recruitment to the extent we would need it to to challenge for the title or restore our place in Europe.

It does however suit owners to take a disaffected supporter base and re-enthuse it with some savvy back page PR simply by changing the manager.
Anyone who knows me would know that I rated Rodgers, but  never blindly. He had a job to do and he doubtless gave it his all. That's all we can ask from any manager in terms of effort - results are a different matter.

Get excited about Klopp or Ancelotti? Not particularly.

The former could do wondrous things and help to re-establish a connection between the team and our support. But he's no less of a risk than Brendan was.
The latter could build a team that is at least equal to the sum of all of it's parts.
But Title winners? Within our structure?
I don't think so.

What if Klopp comes and has a glorious season or two; picks up a cup, gets us back into the top 4 but then has a season or mediocrity, followed by another with a poor start... we're mid-table in the 2018 season after a 9th place finish the season before? Are we fucking him off too?

I see no reason to get excited by the removal of a decent man, who clearly cared for the club and it's supporters when some of the greatest problems within the club (as I see it) remain.

He's not Rafa, but he deserves our gratitude IMO and some of the shite-housing is pretty despicable. There are too many 'reds' that act the way most 'reds' would genuinely despise.

[PhiLFC#1]

We don't have a manager so those of you that did have had their wish fulfilled... probably doesn't need any more digs does it?

Yeah of course, can only talk when it suits you

[zimmie'5555]

Can we give this shit a rest?

We didn't have stability. One man does not equal stability when everyone around him was being replaced. We had a squad turnover of over 13 players between two summers. We sacked and replaced key backroom staff. We lost a club legend, a young talent, and lost our striking talisman to injury. Stability has been nowhere to be found for the past 12 months. Some of that is down to our manager, some of that isn't. Pretending that keeping a manager who is struggling = stability is disingenuous. Far more goes into it than that.

Let's cut out the fucking supporter to supporter sniping for once. We're all here for the same reason. The dickheads will always be dickheads, the loyal will always be loyal. At the end of the day what unites us is a love for the club.

The posters on RAWK didn't get Brendan sacked. Hell, the whoppers leaving early or booing maybe played a small part but at the end of the day I doubt they got him sacked either. The players who gave up on him and our season when we got tanked 6-1 could have got him sacked at the end of last season.

FSG met with Rodgers and presumably outlined their expectations and Brendan signed up for the transfer kitty, the revamped backroom staff, and being the confident and talented man that he is will have set out to meet them. By today's evidence, whatever they discussed that day was not met up to this point. Have they pulled the trigger too early, given what transpired in the summer? That answer depends on where you stand. Probably. But it's done. FSG did it, Ayre did it, and the players didn't help. It wasn't the supporters. We matter a hell of a lot less than you think we do.

If you're disillusioned by their actions then you ought to have a rethink about supporting the club. Face it pal, they own it. We're just along for the ride because we can't help our love.

The best we can do is unite as a fanbase behind whoever the new man is and support him as best we can. Yes there will be dickheads and there always will be dickheads. But they don't control proceedings on the pitch and they don't have a say in boardroom decisions. Nor do we. But we can get behind the team and the club because we'll be around when managers, players, and even these owners have gone. So let's not take it out on each other, eh?

Me too, thanks.

[Qcase1977]

If he almost became a Liverpool god, how can that have been so terrible an appointment?

He didn't though. That's the point. He fucked it.

[Leosheer]

Fair enough mate - but I think you're in for a shock.

I don't see any manager coming here and making a difference unless the structure changes with him.
If FSG keep the committee, Ayre, & Gordon in the same jobs, doing the same things what difference do you genuinely believe a new manager will make in the long-term?
Bounce up the morale? Inject some new ideas? Change the training regime?? Effectively just freshen things up? All good and valuable no doubt, but in the grand scheme of things that's not likely to get the squad over-performing against budget and the challenges of recruitment to the extent we would need it to to challenge for the title or restore our place in Europe.

It does however suit owners to take a disaffected supporter base and re-enthuse it with some savvy back page PR simply by changing the manager.
Anyone who knows me would know that I rated Rodgers, but  never blindly. He had a job to do and he doubtless gave it his all. That's all we can ask from any manager in terms of effort - results are a different matter.

Get excited about Klopp or Ancelotti? Not particularly.

The former could do wondrous things and help to re-establish a connection between the team and our support. But he's no less of a risk than Brendan was.
The latter could build a team that is at least equal to the sum of all of it's parts.
But Title winners? Within our structure?
I don't think so.

What if Klopp comes and has a glorious season or two; picks up a cup, gets us back into the top 4 but then has a season or mediocrity, followed by another with a poor start... we're mid-table in the 2018 season after a 9th place finish the season before? Are we fucking him off too?

I see no reason to get excited by the removal of a decent man, who clearly cared for the club and it's supporters when some of the greatest problems within the club (as I see it) remain.

He's not Rafa, but he deserves our gratitude IMO and some of the shite-housing is pretty despicable. There are too many 'reds' that act the way most 'reds' would genuinely despise.

Very well put

[Alanslad]

I do feel for Brendan, he has the potential to be a great manager. Maybe he will work on his defensive coaching now. I hope he swerves the Sunderland and Newcastle jobs.

If reports from the media are to be believed, no-one is actually signed up to replace him yet - hope FSG aren't going to screw this up.

[benn25]

Iv only just seen this. Been at work all afternoon. Fucking hell. Wasnt expecting that. That is quick. 

Edit: Wish BR all the best. Ive got a lot of time for him and he gave me one of the greatest seasons ive experienced. I havent felt that good about our club for a very long time. Decent manager imv and Im sure he'll have a successful career. Still cant believe it.

[jillcwhomever]

Fair enough mate - but I think you're in for a shock.

I don't see any manager coming here and making a difference unless the structure changes with him.
If FSG keep the committee, Ayre, & Gordon in the same jobs, doing the same things what difference do you genuinely believe a new manager will make in the long-term?
Bounce up the morale? Inject some new ideas? Change the training regime?? Effectively just freshen things up? All good and valuable no doubt, but in the grand scheme of things that's not likely to get the squad over-performing against budget and the challenges of recruitment to the extent we would need it to to challenge for the title or restore our place in Europe.

It does however suit owners to take a disaffected supporter base and re-enthuse it with some savvy back page PR simply by changing the manager.
Anyone who knows me would know that I rated Rodgers, but  never blindly. He had a job to do and he doubtless gave it his all. That's all we can ask from any manager in terms of effort - results are a different matter.

Get excited about Klopp or Ancelotti? Not particularly.

The former could do wondrous things and help to re-establish a connection between the team and our support. But he's no less of a risk than Brendan was.
The latter could build a team that is at least equal to the sum of all of it's parts.
But Title winners? Within our structure?
I don't think so.

What if Klopp comes and has a glorious season or two; picks up a cup, gets us back into the top 4 but then has a season or mediocrity, followed by another with a poor start... we're mid-table in the 2018 season after a 9th place finish the season before? Are we fucking him off too?

I see no reason to get excited by the removal of a decent man, who clearly cared for the club and it's supporters when some of the greatest problems within the club (as I see it) remain.

He's not Rafa, but he deserves our gratitude IMO and some of the shite-housing is pretty despicable. There are too many 'reds' that act the way most 'reds' would genuinely despise.

Excellent post you make some very good points there.

[SamAteTheRedAcid]

Can anyone see him being appointed at Sunderland?

not right now mate but o have taken my contact lenses out as it's quite late.

[Snail]

Can anyone see him being appointed at Sunderland?

He'd be bloody daft to take it.

[krizzobizzle]

Criticism is for another day.

The guy tried his best and came within a whisker to bringing us the league with some of the best football I have ever seen us play and gave us some stories to last a lifetime. Its such a shame it ended this way to be honest.

Thanks for the memories Brendan. Good luck in the future.

[vagabond]

You clueless muppet.

I think you're being a little too kind there. This kind of stupidity is why the Liverpool job is considered a poisoned chalice. You'll never walk alone indeed.

[Oddball]

Only if he's on a zimmer frame and got emphysema. Don't wanna take any fucking chances like 

Hahahaha

[SamAteTheRedAcid]

Are we allowed to criticize the manager now without being banned? No more fingers in ears?

No need, it's a sensible policy and they have to run the site.

[Fat Scouser]

So he's gone then, and right after a Derby. Time was, win or lose, let alone draw at their gaff, that would have been unthinkable. And after giving them the rights to crow that they done away an LFC manager, I'd say we'd hit a new low and finally moved into Just Another Football Club territory.

But fact is, them sad days became normal a long time ago. If they hadn't we'd have probably won the league under Rafa by now with local owners, and we'd have never seen the Cowboys or these last few years. But I don't expect to be seeing anything different for the duration.

And I'd like to see at least one more title before I go tits, but I won't be getting me hopes up.

[Ziltoid]

Some right fuckwads on here. A couple of posters i've thought were decent folk but have come out with some shit tonight. 

[Oddball]

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[Gifted Right Foot]

Whatever the circumstances this brings me no joy.  The way some fans treated him brings me no joy.  Good luck to whoever the next person is cause this has got to be one of the toughest jobs in football.  Thanks Rodgers.

[Oddball]

I know. Should have been a capital L on listen.

[Red_Irishman]

Criticism is for another day.

The guy tried his best and came within a whisker to bringing us the league with some of the best football I have ever seen us play and gave us some stories to last a lifetime. Its such a shame it ended this way to be honest.

Thanks for the memories Brendan. Good luck in the future.

This is it in a nutshell. Memories I will never forget. Feel very sorry for the man as he done everything he could to succeed here.