Author Topic: It's just a battle for the order of the first 4 spots now between 5 teams... (Read 560440 times)

PROPER crazyemlyn72 · « **Reply #1000 on:** February 9, 2014, 01:10:31 am »

Quote from: Canuck33 on February 9, 2014, 12:43:56 am

There is always 1 true word in every post. Even in that one.

great. would you bet your house on them not winning it? this is football. because they are so shit..and so on.......what worries me is they are so shit and still in it! how the fuck did that happen? i had to google to see if they were still in it. but you guys are sooper confident they will be destroyed. i hope yous are right.

houkura · « **Reply #1001 on:** February 9, 2014, 01:14:07 am »

I thought I read somewhere that the Champions League winner will no longer take away a spot from a team in their league if they are winners. Maybe I heard starting next year that's the case? Did I dream this? Anyone know more on that?

Red_Irishman · « **Reply #1002 on:** February 9, 2014, 01:15:20 am »

Quote from: houkura on February 9, 2014, 01:14:07 am

I thought I read somewhere that the Champions League winner will no longer take away a spot from a team in their league if they are winners. Maybe I heard starting next year that's the case? Did I dream this? Anyone know more on that?

Maybe you're thinking of the winners of the Europa league get a champions league spot as of next year?

googhead · « **Reply #1003 on:** February 9, 2014, 03:07:36 am »

Quote from: houkura on February 9, 2014, 01:14:07 am

I thought I read somewhere that the Champions League winner will no longer take away a spot from a team in their league if they are winners. Maybe I heard starting next year that's the case? Did I dream this? Anyone know more on that?

no this is not true, still a maximum of 4 teams from the same, 2015 europa league winners will gain qualifying entry into cl and winners cl automatic entry.I think the maximum then still remains of four teams, so its concievable that both 3rd and 4th in epl, la liga or bundesliga could miss out on cl one year in the future

Red_Potato · « **Reply #1004 on:** February 9, 2014, 05:59:20 am »

I think we're nailed on to finish in the top 4.
What's more, I think that if we ever manage to get top of the league again this season, we'll stay there.

Discipline · « **Reply #1005 on:** February 9, 2014, 06:12:27 am »

Why be satisfied to finish 4th, and face a qualifier, than not just finish top 3 and be guaranteed CL?

Yes, we're 4-5 points behind, but look at Arsenal's form and fixtures in February. They've conceded 7 goals in 2 games, and are looking worn out. And they have the hardest fixtures they've had to come up in recent years approaching them.

Arsenal's spot in the top 3 should be there for the taken, assuming we can continue winning games at Anfield and start "turning up" on the road.

Barneylfc∗ · « **Reply #1006 on:** February 9, 2014, 12:34:40 pm »

Quote from: Barneylfc on February 4, 2014, 09:57:55 am

Why are people saying our aim should be 4th? We aren't fucking Arsenal, WE ARE LIVERPOOL. If we beat Arsenal on Saturday, we will be maximum 6 points off the top. We still have both Chelsea and City at Anfield. Is it unreasonable to believe we are capable of winning those games? Is it unreasonable to believe we are incapable of overturning a 3 point gap if we did win them?

Quote from: Barneylfc on February 4, 2014, 11:23:31 am

Being realistic, I don't think we will be any closer than we are now to City or Chelsea in May. But also being realistic, we really should have beat City at the Etihad, should have done better at Chelsea but went to sleep after going in front. Realistically, we're in a great position considering our horrendous injury list this season. Our first choice back four has been absent for what feels like months. Get them back, realistically we will improve. There's a long way to go yet.

I've never wanted to say I told you so as much in my life. We aren't out of this yet. I hate looking ahead, but look at our fixtures until we play city at home. They're all winnable.

jaffod · « **Reply #1007 on:** February 9, 2014, 04:58:18 pm »

Still not ruling anyone out but Wednesday could be pivotal in how things pan out. Both Spurs and the mancs have harder games than us on paper and if we can beat Fulham and they drop points it'll be a massive boost for us. All ifs and buts I know, Newcastle are reverting to type and who knows, if Fulham can hang on to the lead they have at OT right now then a win for Utd at the Emirates would be fine.
Just need to do our own business first and foremost.

killer-heels · « **Reply #1008 on:** February 9, 2014, 05:02:13 pm »

Quote from: jaffod on February 9, 2014, 04:58:18 pm

Still not ruling anyone out but Wednesday could be pivotal in how things pan out. Both Spurs and the mancs have harder games than us on paper and if we can beat Fulham and they drop points it'll be a massive boost for us. All ifs and buts I know, Newcastle are reverting to type and who knows, if Fulham can hang on to the lead they have at OT right now then a win for Utd at the Emirates would be fine.
Just need to do our own business first and foremost.

We win our next 2 league games and I think both Man Utd and Everton will be out of the race. Everton are at Stamford Bridge the match after next.

mart356 · « **Reply #1009 on:** February 9, 2014, 05:02:15 pm »

Just 4 wins away from home for us this season (i think?). Wednesday will be difficult no doubt, Fulham have some good players, but it will be massive if we win with Swansea at home our next game.

peachybum · « **Reply #1010 on:** February 9, 2014, 05:07:46 pm »

Quote from: mart356 on February 9, 2014, 05:02:15 pm

Just 4 wins away from home for us this season (i think?). Wednesday will be difficult no doubt, Fulham have some good players, but it will be massive if we win with Swansea at home our next game.

Yep and that's why nothing is 'nailed on' at this stage. If we could just turn a tap and be as good away from home as we are at home then we'd have a fair crack at the title. However there really hasn't been any sign that happening. Our issue away from home are not looking like they'll be solved overnight.

gregorio · « **Reply #1011 on:** February 9, 2014, 05:08:04 pm »

Quote from: Barneylfc on February 9, 2014, 12:34:40 pm

I've never wanted to say I told you so as much in my life. We aren't out of this yet. I hate looking ahead, but look at our fixtures until we play city at home. They're all winnable.

Hold it until 5.00pm on the 11th May. If ever there was a time to repeat the old 'one game at a time' cliche then this is it.

Nessy76 · « **Reply #1012 on:** February 9, 2014, 05:18:01 pm »

Quote from: houkura on February 9, 2014, 01:14:07 am

I thought I read somewhere that the Champions League winner will no longer take away a spot from a team in their league if they are winners. Maybe I heard starting next year that's the case? Did I dream this? Anyone know more on that?

No. UEFA is very much against the idea of any country having more than 4 representatives in the Champions League.

Thread on the various permutations here by the way
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=311932.msg12458756#msg12458756

terry_macss_perm · « **Reply #1013 on:** February 9, 2014, 05:21:56 pm »

Quote from: googhead on February 9, 2014, 03:07:36 am

no this is not true, still a maximum of 4 teams from the same, 2015 europa league winners will gain qualifying entry into cl and winners cl automatic entry.I think the maximum then still remains of four teams, so its concievable that both 3rd and 4th in epl, la liga or bundesliga could miss out on cl one year in the future

I think if the Europe League winners finish outside the top 5 then they and 4 others play CL the following season.

Nessy76 · « **Reply #1014 on:** February 9, 2014, 05:26:27 pm »

Quote from: terry_macs_perm on February 9, 2014, 05:21:56 pm

I think if the Europe League winners finish outside the top 5 then they and 4 others play CL the following season.

Still looking for more definite confirmation on this, but it looks like you're right.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/may/23/uefa-champions-league-europa-league

In the unlikely scenario that teams from the same country win the Champions League and the Europa League, also expected to confer Champions League qualification from 2015, yet finish outside the top four then a total of five clubs will be permitted – the top three plus both European champions.

anything else · « **Reply #1015 on:** February 9, 2014, 05:41:59 pm »

So United are still in it!
Looked like Fulham could have done it but watching the game you can see they are just so, so fucking poor.
Nothing against them, but have rarely seen a team more worthy of relegation.

Nessy76 · « **Reply #1016 on:** February 9, 2014, 05:46:18 pm »

Quote from: DyaLikeDagz on February 9, 2014, 05:41:59 pm

So United are still in it!
Looked like Fulham could have done it but watching the game you can see they are just so, so fucking poor.
Nothing against them, but have rarely seen a team more worthy of relegation.

Well, they are slightly further off 4th than we are from 1st, so if they really are "still in it" then we are in the title race.

N0rnIr0nRed · « **Reply #1017 on:** February 9, 2014, 05:47:32 pm »

Pity Fulham couldn't hold out for a draw.

United have battered them to be honest

Hopefully Fulham will still have tired legs on Wednesday, no doubt Stecklenburg will have a worldie against us though!

gregorio · « **Reply #1018 on:** February 9, 2014, 05:52:30 pm »

Quote from: N0rnIr0nRed on February 9, 2014, 05:47:32 pm

Pity Fulham couldn't hold out for a draw.

United have battered them to be honest

Hopefully Fulham will still have tired legs on Wednesday, no doubt Stecklenburg will have a worldie against us though!

Yes, real pity

anything else · « **Reply #1019 on:** February 9, 2014, 05:54:35 pm »

Wait...

HAHAHAHAHA

Darren Bent 90 + 4

2-2

Draw at home to the worst team in the league

RedSince86 · « **Reply #1020 on:** February 9, 2014, 05:55:09 pm »

Count utd out now,9 points clear,10 clear with our superior goal difference

Spraynard Kruger · « **Reply #1021 on:** February 9, 2014, 05:55:45 pm »

So, somehow after this weekend, we have actually gained two points on United.

Top week.

lobsterboy · « **Reply #1022 on:** February 9, 2014, 05:55:50 pm »

heh heh
the moyes effect continues
Mick hucknall can fuck off as well the ginger wanker.

HBAHFH · « **Reply #1023 on:** February 9, 2014, 05:59:01 pm »

Darren Bent, you beauty.

Halcyon Lissome · « **Reply #1024 on:** February 9, 2014, 06:12:38 pm »

You can wrap it up now, United aren't getting top 4. If they improve on their current rank they'll have done well.

Oddly, will be hoping they win for a change, against Arsenal.

Abrak · « **Reply #1025 on:** February 9, 2014, 06:13:12 pm »

My feeling is that we have reached the stage that coming 5th or lower will be seen as a major disappointment.

Snail · « **Reply #1026 on:** February 9, 2014, 06:16:29 pm »

Stick a fork in Manchester United. They're done.

Gerrard[LFC] · « **Reply #1027 on:** February 9, 2014, 06:17:30 pm »

funny things happen in football, as it is with Utd dropping more points... they could do the unthinkable...
there are only 16teams left... and especially if they forget about league games and concentrate on CL... they
could do something which would knock someone out at 4th spot.
I hate that to be us, that would just be so upsetting.
So lets go for 3rd, with Arsenal dropping points and we could also avoid CL qualifiers too

flinner · « **Reply #1028 on:** February 9, 2014, 06:22:43 pm »

World Facts
The chances of dying by laughter are 15 billion to 1.

Think them odds are well and truly shortened with the Utd match lol.

Passmaster Molby · « **Reply #1029 on:** February 9, 2014, 06:23:58 pm »

Quote from: Ｓｉａｎ on February 9, 2014, 06:16:29 pm

Stick a fork in Manchester United. They're done.

I agree. I know people say never write United off etc, but they are a pale shadow of last years team. This lot won't be able to win 6 or 7 in a row, and to catch effectively 10 points on us in 13 games is surely too much.

Nessy76 · « **Reply #1030 on:** February 9, 2014, 06:24:27 pm »

Quote from: flinner on February 9, 2014, 06:22:43 pm

World Facts
The chances of dying by laughter are 15 billion to 1.

Think them odds are well and truly shortened with the Utd match lol.

Well someone's going to die, because I'm pretty sure the whole world is laughing.

LuisLuis · « **Reply #1031 on:** February 9, 2014, 06:27:35 pm »

For all the people worried about utd winning the CL. From this article http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11945/8730422/uefa-open-to-champions-league-including-five-english-teams

"From 2015, the Europa League winners and the European champions will automatically qualify for the Champions League - but an English winner of either would not preclude the team placed fourth in the Premier League from qualifying for the top competition.

That will eradicate the possibility of a repeat of last season, when Tottenham Hotspur clinched fourth only to find themselves entering the Europa League by virtue of Chelsea's Champions League success."

ElstonGunn · « **Reply #1032 on:** February 9, 2014, 06:28:41 pm »

Quote from: Passmaster Molby on February 9, 2014, 06:23:58 pm

I agree. I know people say never write United off etc, but they are a pale shadow of last years team. This lot won't be able to win 6 or 7 in a row, and to catch effectively 10 points on us in 13 games is surely too much.

They've been done for weeks.

Nessy76 · « **Reply #1033 on:** February 9, 2014, 06:29:16 pm »

Quote from: LuisLuis on February 9, 2014, 06:27:35 pm

For all the people worried about utd winning the CL. From this article http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11945/8730422/uefa-open-to-champions-league-including-five-english-teams

"From 2015, the Europa League winners and the European champions will automatically qualify for the Champions League - but an English winner of either would not preclude the team placed fourth in the Premier League from qualifying for the top competition.

That will eradicate the possibility of a repeat of last season, when Tottenham Hotspur clinched fourth only to find themselves entering the Europa League by virtue of Chelsea's Champions League success."

That, if it is true, and it hasn't yet been ratified so far as I know, would only apply to the winners of next season's Champions League. But Manchester United are NOT going to win it. They couldn't win it when they were good ffs.

ElstonGunn · « **Reply #1034 on:** February 9, 2014, 06:29:24 pm »

Quote from: LuisLuis on February 9, 2014, 06:27:35 pm

For all the people worried about utd winning the CL. From this article http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11945/8730422/uefa-open-to-champions-league-including-five-english-teams

"From 2015, the Europa League winners and the European champions will automatically qualify for the Champions League - but an English winner of either would not preclude the team placed fourth in the Premier League from qualifying for the top competition.

That will eradicate the possibility of a repeat of last season, when Tottenham Hotspur clinched fourth only to find themselves entering the Europa League by virtue of Chelsea's Champions League success."

Er, "from 2015" is the key phrase there.

Nessy76 · « **Reply #1035 on:** February 9, 2014, 06:33:19 pm »

About that story, it says "UEFA will annouce"... anyone know if they actually ever did make such an announcement?

sikingthegreat1 · « **Reply #1036 on:** February 9, 2014, 06:34:48 pm »

finally, i think it is pretty safe to say that manure is out of the race for 4th......

LuisLuis · « **Reply #1037 on:** February 9, 2014, 06:35:39 pm »

Quote from: ElstonGunn on February 9, 2014, 06:29:24 pm

Er, "from 2015" is the key phrase there.

Damn missed that. Oh well, if utd can't beat Fulham at home they won't beat Bayern/Real/Barca anyway.

Gerrard[LFC] · « **Reply #1038 on:** February 9, 2014, 06:38:04 pm »

Quote from: LuisLuis on February 9, 2014, 06:27:35 pm

For all the people worried about utd winning the CL. From this article http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11945/8730422/uefa-open-to-champions-league-including-five-english-teams

"From 2015, the Europa League winners and the European champions will automatically qualify for the Champions League - but an English winner of either would not preclude the team placed fourth in the Premier League from qualifying for the top competition.

That will eradicate the possibility of a repeat of last season, when Tottenham Hotspur clinched fourth only to find themselves entering the Europa League by virtue of Chelsea's Champions League success."

if this is true then there is no worry...
but that means the champions can not make CL? that is bit absurd isn't it?
if it was utd then it is a good rule but if that was us? no fucken way

Gerrard[LFC] · « **Reply #1039 on:** February 9, 2014, 06:40:01 pm »

Quote from: LuisLuis on February 9, 2014, 06:35:39 pm

Damn missed that. Oh well, if utd can't beat Fulham at home they won't beat Bayern/Real/Barca anyway.

oh.. 2015!!! that is good news..and bad... I imagine that we will win CL next year and finish 5th

oh damn... anyway... we were doing similar at 2004-2005... so don't count your chickens...
its not impossible... stranger shit has happened... so back to worrying now..fuck...