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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5560 on: May 6, 2014, 09:25:28 am »
Not that it should matter, but every time that 'slipped on his arse' song or similiar gets aired - and it will, perhaps until he retires and after, because certain clubs' sets of fans go far beyond cheeky 'banter', know nothing of having some class and respect and restraint, and are just cruel and vindictive creatures - we need to ensure it's drowned out with great ferocity. Anyone watching the game should only be able to catch the first line or two from rival fans, and then all they'll hear from that point on is us, effectively putting them in their place through the medium of song.

Hearing that sung actually got my blood up, made me feel sick to the pit of my stomach, because Steve could well be torturing himself inside right now, and the knowledge that such a Liverpool legend could be feeling so isolated and kicked-when-he's-down out there just won't do. I feel strongly about this; we close ranks now on these lads who've took us so wonderfully, unexpectedly close, and just let it excitedly slip through their fingers at the very last. It was stupid, yeah, but I've done plenty of stupid, costly shit in my life, and come back from it because I'm a Red, and it informs everything.

YNWA has to have a meaning, it can't be a token catchphrase or hollow showpiece of "terrace culture". I won't berate anyone, particularly our youngsters on here, for feeling devo'd; hurt, deflated, empty, let down. But you've got to wipe it away and stand up tall, because you're a Red first and foremost. Steve's picking up of an inconsolable Luis, "on your feet, soldier"... that shit is significant to me, it has huge symbolism.


So, all this talk of 'bottlers'? Get to fuck. I'm very grateful to these bottlers for taking me so high again. The dream hasn't come true (or at least looks incredibly unlikely), but they did make us dream. Steve now knows he's in a serious title-challenging outfit, who can only get better with smart acquisitions strengthening some positions. He didn't know that for certain just a year go, and nor did we.
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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5561 on: May 6, 2014, 09:31:39 am »

I must admit, I was pleasantly surprised by how well he has adapted to his new role this season. I was hoping that we could get at least another season from him, but it seems that he will be valuable utility player for us for at least another 2-3 years. I can see his role decreasing a bit next season, with Lucas hopefully being fit and playing more games at the defensive midfield position, but with the increased number of games due to our involvement in the Champions League again, I can still see a significant role for Gerrard.
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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5562 on: May 6, 2014, 09:36:27 am »
We are, where we are, because that's as good as we've been for 37 games. And as captain, the responsibility will always fall on Gerrard's shoulder. Last I checked, we're top of the league, and heading into the final game in with a shout for the  title.

And so, I choose to judge him on 37 games. Not a decade plus of success defined by unbelievable moments of inspired play where Gerrard, sometimes singlehandedly, carried us on his shoulders. No, just 37 games. 37 games that has seen Gerrard prove to be invaluable to the team. That has seen him reach double figures in goals and assists. That has seen him score pressure-can-you-measure-the-weight-of-my-balls penalties. A season that has seen Gerrard captain his squad to within touching distance of the league title. For the first time in his career, Gerrard will captain his team and lead them onto Anfield in the final game of the season, and with a chance to win the damn title!

So, excuse me if I decide not to jump on the "where-was-his-leadership-he-let-us-down" bandwagon which seems to have already left this station.

Gerrard, if you're listening, keep doing what you're doing, because what you're doing is leading us to the top of the league and into the final week, and competing against the most expensive squad ever assembled. And last I checked, weak leaders don't do that.

Inspirational Captains to that.

Legends among men do that.

Gerrard just did that.

You'll miss him when he's gone.
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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5563 on: May 6, 2014, 09:48:19 am »
He WILL win the Premier League with Liverpool.


There I said it. Keep the faith Stevie.
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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5564 on: May 6, 2014, 09:57:31 am »
He WILL win the Premier League with Liverpool.

Personally, I have no doubt about that.

It might be next season, or the season after that, but we will see Steven Gerrard lifting the Premier League trophy.
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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5565 on: May 6, 2014, 09:58:48 am »
He WILL win the Premier League with Liverpool.


There I said it. Keep the faith Stevie.
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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5566 on: May 6, 2014, 10:02:21 am »
Silver linning, he'll just have to put off retirement a few more years til he gets one :D
I think some spider venom with human DNA could help him ;)
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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5567 on: May 6, 2014, 10:05:45 am »
We are, where we are, because that's as good as we've been for 37 games. And as captain, the responsibility will always fall on Gerrard's shoulder. Last I checked, we're top of the league, and heading into the final game in with a shout for the  title.

And so, I choose to judge him on 37 games. Not a decade plus of success defined by unbelievable moments of inspired play where Gerrard, sometimes singlehandedly, carried us on his shoulders. No, just 37 games. 37 games that has seen Gerrard prove to be invaluable to the team. That has seen him reach double figures in goals and assists. That has seen him score pressure-can-you-measure-the-weight-of-my-balls penalties. A season that has seen Gerrard captain his squad to within touching distance of the league title. For the first time in his career, Gerrard will captain his team and lead them onto Anfield in the final game of the season, and with a chance to win the damn title!

So, excuse me if I decide not to jump on the "where-was-his-leadership-he-let-us-down" bandwagon which seems to have already left this station.

Gerrard, if you're listening, keep doing what you're doing, because what you're doing is leading us to the top of the league and into the final week, and competing against the most expensive squad ever assembled. And last I checked, weak leaders don't do that.

Inspirational Captains to that.

Legends among men do that.

Gerrard just did that.

You'll miss him when he's gone.
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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5568 on: May 6, 2014, 10:45:00 am »
Give a loud rendition of Que Sera Sera and Stevie G vs Newcastle.
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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5569 on: May 6, 2014, 11:10:04 am »
Give a loud rendition of Que Sera Sera and Stevie G vs Newcastle.
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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5570 on: May 6, 2014, 11:32:25 am »
Well at least last nights team capitulation will take away any heat from his Devon Loch moment against chelsea.
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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5571 on: May 6, 2014, 11:36:48 am »
Well at least last nights team capitulation will take away any heat from his Devon Loch moment against chelsea.

Who cares, bitter twats will cling to that for dear life, I'm sure he'll be able to sleep fine holding big ears, realistically its dumb games like Southampton at home, Villa at home and WBA away that have cost us with poor team performances, you're going to have slip ups against the big ones even if they are playing like a pub team, I'm sure the people who matter will be able to identify that and hopefully improve on it next year.

The amount of clutch penalties this man took this season is incredible, can't believe people were calling for him to be gone last year or so.

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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5572 on: May 6, 2014, 12:13:07 pm »
I'm confused, I never knew there was so much hate towards Gerrard from other fans.

What has he done to wind them up this much? He's not really a douche.

It hurts to see him ridiculed so much for that slip, give him a fucking break.

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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5573 on: May 6, 2014, 12:29:28 pm »
Who cares, bitter twats will cling to that for dear life, I'm sure he'll be able to sleep fine holding big ears, realistically its dumb games like Southampton at home, Villa at home and WBA away that have cost us with poor team performances, you're going to have slip ups against the big ones even if they are playing like a pub team, I'm sure the people who matter will be able to identify that and hopefully improve on it next year.

The amount of clutch penalties this man took this season is incredible, can't believe people were calling for him to be gone last year or so.

Excellent points, and the clutch penalties particularly. If he'd missed even one of those, we wouldn't have been near the mix. Stevie has his faults, but they are core to his strengths too - the never say die attribute can tip over into 'Roy of the Rovers' enthusiasm for sure, but it also creates amazing possibilities. The one is part of the other, just as Brendan's attack, attack philosophy brings astonishing rewards with the occasional giant fuck-up as the risk.

Since many journalists seem to be banging the 'Istanbul in reverse' drum, it strikes me that we ought to take some degree of assurance from that very meme. AC Milan should, if we apply this prevailing wisdom, have disappeared as a club after such a staggering disappointment. In reality, it steeled them to come back and win the cup two years after against the same team that had broken their hearts.

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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5574 on: May 6, 2014, 12:32:09 pm »
My heart breaks for him sometimes. Even my manc brother wants him to win it.

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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5575 on: May 6, 2014, 12:34:59 pm »
I'm confused, I never knew there was so much hate towards Gerrard from other fans.

What has he done to wind them up this much?
He's been a colossus for Liverpool Football Club for well over a decade, that's what. Simple as that.

The sets of fans out there in this country who have any class, dignity and compassion have huge respect for him. But it seems at times that they're increasingly a minority, sadly.
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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5576 on: May 6, 2014, 12:42:48 pm »
I'm confused, I never knew there was so much hate towards Gerrard from other fans.

What has he done to wind them up this much? He's not really a douche.

It hurts to see him ridiculed so much for that slip, give him a fucking break.

Its quite simple, people hated us before and still do, even more so again now we are successful again, everyone looks up to us, United fans still refer to it as getting back on 'their' perch. They know its ours, not theirs or anyone else's, we set the bar.

If it hadn't been for Steven Gerrard we most likely wouldn't have big ears permanently in Anfield and the only one to permanently sit in an English clubs cabinet. They were revelling at the thought of us losing to West Ham in the cup final, who steps up? Steven Gerrard. He played countless other parts in our treble winning season, our Carling Cup under Kenny.

Basically they know without him we'd have likely been fairly shit for a decade, or if you take that simple point of view, they like to say 'Oh he punched a dj' whip de doo, who hasn't made one mistake in their life, they like to go on about him hitting a kid in his car (which has been reported widely as being only the kids fault and Steven made sure the lad was all right whilst completely distraught) and then you have bitter shites making up stuff about his family. There isn't really a good reason to hate him, maybe they are pissed because he has never carried that fucking shower of shit that is England single handedly to a trophy, who knows.
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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5577 on: May 6, 2014, 02:05:06 pm »
Oh my. We're only 24 years into our drought, imagine if we had to wait another 62 years.  :o

I feel worse now. ;D

Yeah but we didn't sell Babe Ruth - the other part of the curse. I guess selling Suarez to Arsenal would have been :)
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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5578 on: May 6, 2014, 04:03:46 pm »
Yeah but we didn't sell Babe Ruth - the other part of the curse. I guess selling Suarez to Arsenal would have been :)

Or Stevie to Everton  ;)
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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5579 on: May 6, 2014, 04:33:50 pm »
I must admit, I was pleasantly surprised by how well he has adapted to his new role this season. I was hoping that we could get at least another season from him, but it seems that he will be valuable utility player for us for at least another 2-3 years. I can see his role decreasing a bit next season, with Lucas hopefully being fit and playing more games at the defensive midfield position, but with the increased number of games due to our involvement in the Champions League again, I can still see a significant role for Gerrard.

Good to know someone else is thinking about this, too. Stevie had an awesome season, but I also wonder if next season won't be the time to begin phasing him out. That's hard for me to write, but, as you say, he would be an incredibly valuable squad member and part-time starter. I wrote earlier in the season that I thought Lucas, Allen, and Henderson is our most complimentary midfield trio. I'm not sure how I feel about that now, but then Lucas hasn't played the holding role for a while. Anyone else have any thoughts about this? Gerrard will be another year older and a yard slower next August. At what point does BR hand the regular starting birth to someone else, even if it's a new signing rather than Lucas? Please understand I'm not Gerrard bashing, at all, but I really don't know what to think about his role in the squad for next year.

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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5580 on: May 6, 2014, 04:46:50 pm »
Good to know someone else is thinking about this, too. Stevie had an awesome season, but I also wonder if next season won't be the time to begin phasing him out. That's hard for me to write, but, as you say, he would be an incredibly valuable squad member and part-time starter. I wrote earlier in the season that I thought Lucas, Allen, and Henderson is our most complimentary midfield trio. I'm not sure how I feel about that now, but then Lucas hasn't played the holding role for a while. Anyone else have any thoughts about this? Gerrard will be another year older and a yard slower next August. At what point does BR hand the regular starting birth to someone else, even if it's a new signing rather than Lucas? Please understand I'm not Gerrard bashing, at all, but I really don't know what to think about his role in the squad for next year.
Could always leave it to the manager to assess at the time rather than pointlessly speculating?

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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5581 on: May 6, 2014, 04:55:03 pm »
Could always leave it to the manager to assess at the time rather than pointlessly speculating?

True, but pointless speculation is keeping my mind occupied on an awfully slow work day. ;D

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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5582 on: May 6, 2014, 04:59:02 pm »
I'm confused, I never knew there was so much hate towards Gerrard from other fans.

What has he done to wind them up this much? He's not really a douche.

It hurts to see him ridiculed so much for that slip, give him a fucking break.

Only within england / fans of rival teams (this could be global). Beyond that, talk football with a fan of any team that is outside this sphere and Gerrard's considered a legend of the game.

Unfortunately, unless we win the league this season or while he's still playing, he'll never live down the 'slip'. The dramatic appeal of the sequence of events is simply too easy to latch onto for rival fans. It wouldn't suprise me if they sing about it for years really, but such is the nature of rivalry, if the roles were reversed I would give it loads.

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« Reply #5583 on: May 6, 2014, 05:01:30 pm »
Good to know someone else is thinking about this, too. Stevie had an awesome season, but I also wonder if next season won't be the time to begin phasing him out. That's hard for me to write, but, as you say, he would be an incredibly valuable squad member and part-time starter. I wrote earlier in the season that I thought Lucas, Allen, and Henderson is our most complimentary midfield trio. I'm not sure how I feel about that now, but then Lucas hasn't played the holding role for a while. Anyone else have any thoughts about this? Gerrard will be another year older and a yard slower next August. At what point does BR hand the regular starting birth to someone else, even if it's a new signing rather than Lucas? Please understand I'm not Gerrard bashing, at all, but I really don't know what to think about his role in the squad for next year.

Yeah, RAWK is unfortunately full of people excitedly planning to phase Gerrard out.
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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5584 on: May 6, 2014, 05:12:48 pm »
I'm confused, I never knew there was so much hate towards Gerrard from other fans.

What has he done to wind them up this much?

Been really good at football, mostly.

Nothing winds up fans of opposition clubs more than having really good players who care about your club. Look how much we hate some players.
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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5585 on: May 6, 2014, 05:13:49 pm »
I'm confused, I never knew there was so much hate towards Gerrard from other fans.


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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5586 on: May 6, 2014, 05:14:53 pm »


Unfortunately, unless we win the league this season or while he's still playing, he'll never live down the 'slip'. The dramatic appeal of the sequence of events is simply too easy to latch onto for rival fans. It wouldn't suprise me if they sing about it for years really, but such is the nature of rivalry, if the roles were reversed I would give it loads.

Yep, sadly.  Sometimes I wonder what Gerrard or Liverpool done to the football gods to deserve what has happened - not just losing the title, obviously that can happen and has happened before, sore as it is.  But the whole huddle and 'this does not fxcking slip...'.  And then 1 game later, boom, now you see it, now you don't.  As Gerrard slips on his arse to change everything.

Unfortunately it's manna from heaven for other fans.  Remember the mancs losing it at the death in 1991 thanks in no small part to a defeat at Anfield in the penultimate game?  They'd gone 25 yrs that yr with no title. 

That would be similar to what has happened to us this season if Bryan Robson had gave a rallying call that season and then fell on his arse to let it 'slip'. 

We'd have dined on it for years.  Well for one year actually as UTD came back to win it the following year.  That's the only thing which will heal it for Gerrard or put an end to the taunts.  He'll have to live with it next season (barring a miracle of epic proportions this week which sees us sneak it from City).

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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5587 on: May 6, 2014, 05:53:44 pm »
Yeah, RAWK is unfortunately full of people excitedly planning to phase Gerrard out.

Nah, mate. Gerrard is probably Liverpool's best ever player. There is nothing exciting about phasing him out.

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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5588 on: May 6, 2014, 06:14:33 pm »
Nah, mate. Gerrard is probably Liverpool's best ever player. There is nothing exciting about phasing him out.

Hence the word 'unfortunately'. Some, however, do so.
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« Reply #5589 on: May 6, 2014, 06:21:18 pm »
Hence the word 'unfortunately'. Some, however, do so.

Ah, I read you. Agreed. My mistake.

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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5590 on: May 6, 2014, 07:01:46 pm »
Really feel for him. Just looking at him last night you could tell the last week has had a draining affect on him.

He deserves to win it. If not this year then in the next few years.
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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5591 on: May 6, 2014, 07:06:22 pm »
Really feel for him. Just looking at him last night you could tell the last week has had a draining affect on him.

He deserves to win it. If not this year then in the next few years.

I think he will stay with us till he does, so we have about 8 years to do it in I reckon.
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« Reply #5592 on: May 6, 2014, 07:18:52 pm »
We'll have to be very careful how we utilise him next season. I don't think he could get through every single league, cup and CL game. We'll need to use him from the bench and rest him more intelligently. This probably also means we're going to have to look at modifying how we play. It'll be easier to do that then to find a replacement for such a top player

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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5593 on: May 6, 2014, 08:58:21 pm »
I can live with the sheer endless wait for the title. I never seen us win the league and im grateful for this astonishing season. Bit it really breaks my heart to see my idol suffer that much.
He is the reason i started supporting liverpool in 2003. He embodies everything opposite of the this business i hate so muvh nowadays. I just hope h
e finally wins it before retiering.
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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5594 on: May 7, 2014, 12:10:14 am »
We'll have to be very careful how we utilise him next season. I don't think he could get through every single league, cup and CL game. We'll need to use him from the bench and rest him more intelligently. This probably also means we're going to have to look at modifying how we play. It'll be easier to do that then to find a replacement for such a top player

If he does retire from England, I reckon he'll have enough in the tank for 35 odd starts, in what hopefully will be a 50 odd game season. Rest him well, rotate him, sub him off to protect him. I hope this is the last season where he's started every game when fit. He's a massive asset to have, and we should use him carefully so as to get the best out of him and extend his career for a good 3 seasons after this one.

Also, I think Lucas will be fine in that role, or Allen, when Gerrard doesn't play I think it'd be key to have Coutinho in central midfield to provide creativity though.
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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5596 on: May 7, 2014, 03:10:32 am »
A little bit of levity goes a long way I find. He'll be hurting no doubt but he's been phenomenal this season, he's gained us enough points to be allowed one cock up.

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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5597 on: May 7, 2014, 03:15:55 am »
The slip would have been fine, but to happen one week after his "no slip" speech.. Unbelievable.

Rival fans are eating it up, the c*nts.

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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5598 on: May 7, 2014, 03:21:58 am »
The slip would have been fine, but to happen one week after his "no slip" speech.. Unbelievable.

Rival fans are eating it up, the c*nts.

I always thought that it was only Evertonians who classed our failures as their success. This season it seems to have extended to every fucking club.

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Re: Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard
« Reply #5599 on: May 7, 2014, 03:32:21 am »
I always thought that it was only Evertonians who classed our failures as their success. This season it seems to have extended to every fucking club.

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