Topic: Daniel Agger

[macca888]

Just make sure you don't air the performances on TV - RAWK won't treat you kindly: "3/10 at best, can't do the basics and no flair or trickery to boot"

Hop, skip and a hoof are the foreplay moves that I'll probably be slated for on here. And being a bit nervous when I venture outside the box.

Going into coaching or punditry?

I wanted top go into punditry but I feel inadequate that it might not be a bigger fucking cock than Craig Burley.

[pooley]

Hop, skip and a hoof are the foreplay moves that I'll probably be slated for on here. And being a bit nervous when I venture outside the box.



I wanted top go into punditry but I feel inadequate that it might not be a bigger fucking cock than Craig Burley.

you could try this
http://www.movieweb.com/dvd/DVfchhfjYIdqii/hamburger

[Livo.85]

Getting forward doesn't make you a natural attacker. Agger gets forward, but he wouldn't be considered a natural attacker, he would be considered a natural defender. Skrtel scores goals, but he wouldn't be considered a natural attacker either - he is a natural defender. It's about how the players think, and what they can add in terms of goals. It's the Ajax model - the less goals you score, the further back you will end up playing.

A natural attacker scores goals though, on a regular basis (for their position). They have an eye for a goal, and have that "hunger" to score them whenever they get the chance. They don't always succeed, but they have a natural affinity for shooting. We must remember the end-point of every attack - a shot on goal. So you think about not just how they play now, but how they played when they were younger, and what their natural instincts are. You can delve even deeper and look into their psychology of risk acceptance or aversion. Low risk players wouldn't be natural attackers, because they like to give that responsibility to someone else - that doesn't mean they can't be "attackers" - but it does mean they are not "natural" attackers. "Natural" attackers accept the risk of failure, and they aren't afraid to miss or fail with their shot. Johnson is a "natural" attacker, because he has no fear of missing when he shoots. Bale is the same. Wisdom, on the other hand, can "attack", but he delays too much when he gets in shooting positions, so he is more naturally "defensive". Same goes for Lucas, which explains his poor scoring rate, and why Rafa moved him back into a deeper position from his attacking midfield beginnings.

On the Agger debate I agree with what you are saying about what defines a natural attacker but I think there can be a debate on whether Agger fits this definition.

Agger's first competitive season for Brondby (04-05): 26 league appearances - 5 goals. "So you think about not just how they play now, but how they played when they were younger, and what their natural instincts are."

Agger's International Career: 56 appearances - 7 goals. "Low risk players wouldn't be natural attackers, because they like to give that responsibility to someone else - that doesn't mean they can't be "attackers" - but it does mean they are not "natural" attackers."

Agger's most recent league season for Liverpool: 35 appearances - 3 goals. 1.1 shots per game (whoscored.com). "A natural attacker scores goals though, on a regular basis (for their position). They have an eye for a goal, and have that "hunger" to score them whenever they get the chance. They don't always succeed, but they have a natural affinity for shooting".

You state that Johnson is a natural attacker but he plays fullback, never as winger for Liverpool.  "Johnson is a "natural" attacker, because he has no fear of missing when he shoots." So just because a player plays further back doesn't mean that he isn't a natural attacker. This is contradicted with "It's the Ajax model - the less goals you score, the further back you will end up playing".

I would say that there are certain central defenders in the game that are "natural" attackers, there is only a small crop of them though. Because they are also natural defenders, that is the position they play. Other examples that I consider "natural" attackers that are also natural defenders are: Vertonghen & D.Luiz. These are players that are willing to take risks, take shots, score a decent amount of goals for their position. Agger IMO in the right system does that. Under Hodgson, Rafa & Kenny/Clarke, Agger had no freedom to show that "natural" attacking instinct. Yet at Brondby, Denmark & under Rodgers there is more than enough evidence to convince me he is just that: A central defensive player that posses a "natural" attacking instinct.

[PhaseOfPlay]

On the Agger debate I agree with what you are saying about what defines a natural attacker but I think there can be a debate on whether Agger fits this definition.

Agger's first competitive season for Brondby (04-05): 26 league appearances - 5 goals. "So you think about not just how they play now, but how they played when they were younger, and what their natural instincts are."

Agger's International Career: 56 appearances - 7 goals. "Low risk players wouldn't be natural attackers, because they like to give that responsibility to someone else - that doesn't mean they can't be "attackers" - but it does mean they are not "natural" attackers."

Agger's most recent league season for Liverpool: 35 appearances - 3 goals. 1.1 shots per game (whoscored.com). "A natural attacker scores goals though, on a regular basis (for their position). They have an eye for a goal, and have that "hunger" to score them whenever they get the chance. They don't always succeed, but they have a natural affinity for shooting".

You state that Johnson is a natural attacker but he plays fullback, never as winger for Liverpool.  "Johnson is a "natural" attacker, because he has no fear of missing when he shoots." So just because a player plays further back doesn't mean that he isn't a natural attacker. This is contradicted with "It's the Ajax model - the less goals you score, the further back you will end up playing".

I would say that there are certain central defenders in the game that are "natural" attackers, there is only a small crop of them though. Because they are also natural defenders, that is the position they play. Other examples that I consider "natural" attackers that are also natural defenders are: Vertonghen & D.Luiz. These are players that are willing to take risks, take shots, score a decent amount of goals for their position. Agger IMO in the right system does that. Under Hodgson, Rafa & Kenny/Clarke, Agger had no freedom to show that "natural" attacking instinct. Yet at Brondby, Denmark & under Rodgers there is more than enough evidence to convince me he is just that: A central defensive player that posses a "natural" attacking instinct.

Good spot. I didn't realise Agger scored that frequently for Denmark. I stand corrected. The point remains, though, and is strengthened by Agger's example, that a "natural" attacker provides goals at a rate befitting their position on the field. They are not risk-averse players - they accept it. The context of the quotes you used was about Aly Cissokho and my reckoning that he could play as left-footed cover for Agger in a pinch, because his scoring rate over his career shows that he is happier not taking risks than he is shooting and failing, so his mentality is already present to be an emergency central defender should anything happen to Agger, which would make his loan deal more attractive to a manager. 

I don't understand the point about the "Ajax model" contradiction though?

[iiqae]

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Beginning to sound like a scouser

from the audio/video thread.

five or ten years down the line, i can see lucas being my favorite all-time liverpool player, not necessarily for achievements but for the way he conducts himself, the resilience he constantly exhibits and how he plays the game.

yet, when i watch that video, as much as i want to see lucas become vice captain, you see daniel agger's reaction to the question, and it's hard to see how anyone else could want it more than him.

it's a constant debate we have -- that of loving the club or the footballer. and as much pain as you risk by attaching yourself to the person as opposed to the club, i have faith that people like daniel agger reciprocate all your devotion.

fuck me. i've been swayed. give the vice captaincy to daniel agger.

in a way, i feel more of an association with the foreign players who come into liverpool and develop an attachment with the club as opposed to born and bred scousers. it's not better or worse. just different.

it is to say that foreign fans who opted to support liverpool football club had a choice in who we committed ourselves to (as opposed to growing up on the mersey). sounds really corny and i wish a had a more eloquent way of going about it.

[elpistolero7]

from the audio/video thread.

five or ten years down the line, i can see lucas being my favorite all-time liverpool player, not necessarily for achievements but for the way he conducts himself, the resilience he constantly exhibits and how he plays the game.

yet, when i watch that video, as much as i want to see lucas become vice captain, you see daniel agger's reaction to the question, and it's hard to see how anyone else could want it more than him.

it's a constant debate we have -- that of loving the club or the footballer. and as much pain as you risk by attaching yourself to the person as opposed to the club, i have faith that people like daniel agger reciprocate all your devotion.

fuck me. i've been swayed. give the vice captaincy to daniel agger.

in a way, i feel more of an association with the foreign players who come into liverpool and develop an attachment with the club as opposed to born and bred scousers. it's not better or worse. just different.

it is to say that foreign fans who opted to support liverpool football club had a choice in who we committed ourselves to (as opposed to growing up on the mersey). sounds really corny and i wish a had a more eloquent way of going about it.

That reaction does it for me as well. Just give it to him. Agger is boss.

[WorldChampions]

Not seen many interviews from Agger over the years, he strikes me as a bit nervous and uncomfortable. Maybe now it looks like he will be VC he will have to do a bit more, obviously Stevie will handle the majority. I think its a good decision but I wouldn't have been unhappy with Lucas either. It had to be one or the other IMO.

[krizzobizzle]

With all this Suarez shit swirling around, I just want to put my two cents into this thread and say that if there's any hero worship to be done, it should be done with players like Dagger and Sami who are loyal as the day is long.When the dust settles they will be the true legends at this club, remembered for what you done as a player rather than how much you stuffed you bank account with.

Guy is a class act and a rare breed of foreign player who comes in and just gets it. Fair play to him, love the guy.

[imnofreak]

With all this Suarez shit swirling around, I just want to put my two cents into this thread and say that if there's any hero worship to be done, it should be done with players like Dagger and Sami who are loyal as the day is long.When the dust settles they will be the true legends at this club, remembered for what you done as a player rather than how much you stuffed you bank account with.

Guy is a class act and a rare breed of foreign player who comes in and just gets it. Fair play to him, love the guy.

Amen to that. Danny stayed back signing shirts and whatnot at the hotel in Australia for an extra 5mins after everyone had gone. Love him to bits.

[DyingAtheist]

Not really contributing much to the thread, but so many people say that "after Gerrard" we don't have too much loyalty in the squad... well. Step forward Agger. Class all the way through, top player, captain when Stevie retired for me.
One of my favourite ever Liverpool players and I hope he goes down as a legend for this club.

[bornandbRED]

Bit left field, but I reckon Brendan's considering Toure for vice-captain.

[BazC]

Not seen many interviews from Agger over the years, he strikes me as a bit nervous and uncomfortable. Maybe now it looks like he will be VC he will have to do a bit more, obviously Stevie will handle the majority. I think its a good decision but I wouldn't have been unhappy with Lucas either. It had to be one or the other IMO.

He's just laid back and doesn't seem to like the 'glitz' around being a footballer. He sees it as a job, and has said as much - I think it's refreshing that he's been candid at times. I think he even said he wanted to be a fighter pilot. He seems more bemused by it all than anything.

[thelinnen]

Every time he goes down injured I think the worst. Honestly this guy is made of glass, if we didn't have a medical team I'm pretty sure he'd just fall apart after every game. Any news on how bad it was?

[Twelfth Man]

Would be my choice. Might help to make him a bit more vocal.

[Schmidt]

Every time he goes down injured I think the worst. Honestly this guy is made of glass, if we didn't have a medical team I'm pretty sure he'd just fall apart after every game. Any news on how bad it was?

He's fine isn't he? Also when's the last time he had an injury?

[Geormajesty]

He's fine isn't he? Also when's the last time he had an injury?

He missed the last couple of games of the season with a back injury.

[PhaseOfPlay]

He missed the last couple of games of the season with a back injury.

It wasn't a back injury - he had injections and rehab on an existing one, I think he said

[Endoe]

On the Agger debate I agree with what you are saying about what defines a natural attacker but I think there can be a debate on whether Agger fits this definition.

Agger's first competitive season for Brondby (04-05): 26 league appearances - 5 goals. "So you think about not just how they play now, but how they played when they were younger, and what their natural instincts are."

Agger's International Career: 56 appearances - 7 goals. "Low risk players wouldn't be natural attackers, because they like to give that responsibility to someone else - that doesn't mean they can't be "attackers" - but it does mean they are not "natural" attackers."

Agger's most recent league season for Liverpool: 35 appearances - 3 goals. 1.1 shots per game (whoscored.com). "A natural attacker scores goals though, on a regular basis (for their position). They have an eye for a goal, and have that "hunger" to score them whenever they get the chance. They don't always succeed, but they have a natural affinity for shooting".

You state that Johnson is a natural attacker but he plays fullback, never as winger for Liverpool.  "Johnson is a "natural" attacker, because he has no fear of missing when he shoots." So just because a player plays further back doesn't mean that he isn't a natural attacker. This is contradicted with "It's the Ajax model - the less goals you score, the further back you will end up playing".

I would say that there are certain central defenders in the game that are "natural" attackers, there is only a small crop of them though. Because they are also natural defenders, that is the position they play. Other examples that I consider "natural" attackers that are also natural defenders are: Vertonghen & D.Luiz. These are players that are willing to take risks, take shots, score a decent amount of goals for their position. Agger IMO in the right system does that. Under Hodgson, Rafa & Kenny/Clarke, Agger had no freedom to show that "natural" attacking instinct. Yet at Brondby, Denmark & under Rodgers there is more than enough evidence to convince me he is just that: A central defensive player that posses a "natural" attacking instinct.

Dont think you could describe any CB as a natural attacker, perhaps a player who gets forward and scores goals ( I guess Hodgson agre with you, playing Agger at fullback (not an attack on you, haha), fullbacks on the other hand I think can be regarded as natural attackers, Johnson, Alves etc

[crofty]

No sign of him in the training pics from today.

[ArchieC]

Apparently Dagger is the only realistic option for Barcelona now.

Haha good luck Spaniards!

[ArchieC]

Every time he goes down injured I think the worst. Honestly this guy is made of glass, if we didn't have a medical team I'm pretty sure he'd just fall apart after every game. Any news on how bad it was?

It was a nasty tangle in the olympiakos game though so anybody in that position would have felt the same pain.

[GrkStav]

It was a nasty tangle in the olympiakos game though so anybody in that position would have felt the same pain.

He got kneed in the lower left quad, as he had extended his leg to attempt to deflect the ball and/or impede the attacker. His left leg was not planted and it seemed he did the equivalent of 'rolling with a punch'. It's painful like an oedipus rex but it shouldn't be serious.

[Number 7]

He got kneed in the lower left quad, as he had extended his leg to attempt to deflect the ball and/or impede the attacker. His left leg was not planted and it seemed he did the equivalent of 'rolling with a punch'. It's painful like an oedipus rex but it shouldn't be serious.

He's not on the trip for the Valerenga match so hopefully it's just precautionary to sit him out.

[loozy]

He's not on the trip for the Valerenga match so hopefully it's just precautionary to sit him out.

Or maybe he is in Barcelona for the medical ...

[Scarlet`]

Transfer News: Brendan Rodgers says Daniel Agger will be staying at Liverpool

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8858497/?

Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers does not expect Daniel Agger to be leaving the club this summer.

Agger has been linked with a summer move, and Spanish giants Barcelona are one of those who are reportedly keen on the Dane.

Speaking to the Scandinavian media ahead of Liverpool's friendly with Valerenga on Wednesday, Rodgers insisted that he does not expect Agger to be leaving Anfield.

"This is all about loyalty," Rodgers told a press conference.

"He's obviously a world-class defender. Daniel is very committed to Liverpool; he's one of the players that have really impressed me.

"He gave me his word that for as long as I wanted him to be at Liverpool, he would be at Liverpool. He has never swayed from that."

"If we're talking about loyalty, he was one of the first players that I spoke to when I became the manager. At the time, there were a number of big clubs looking to sign Daniel.

"But he gave me his word that for as long as I wanted him to be at Liverpool, he would be at Liverpool. He has never swayed from that.

"He has an unswerving commitment to Liverpool which is so refreshing. His loyalty to the club is incredible.

"I would suspect when he signed his new contract last year, he was hoping that this would be the contract that's going to allow him to see out the best part of his career at Liverpool."

Agger's defensive colleague Martin Skrtel has also been linked with a move away from the club, and has been tipped to join Rafa Benitez at Napoli.

[Messiah]

HE NEEDS A PROPER FUCKING SONG

[KeithK83]

Lovely to hear Rodgers praising Agger to the hilt and discussing how has a special kind of loyalty to this club. Would love him as Vice Captain.

[Cattive Maniere]

HE NEEDS A PROPER FUCKING SONG

[JTK]

This a Liverpool player. Legend.

[reds7]

Fucking Boss. Leave your studs in the twat as he's out the door Danny

[mart356]

Just came to pay my respects to someone with true loyalty and respect, Agger, what a man.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BRELPRVCUAEnCUs.jpg

[astrid]

If Suarez goes to Arse, i will look forward to see him vs. Agger..

[Hoenheim]

Just came to pay my respects to someone with true loyalty and respect, Agger, what a man.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BRELPRVCUAEnCUs.jpg

Is that Agger's twin right footed evil brother ?

[Kovai Red]

Agger!! I just don't have words to describe this guy. This is how you show your loyalty to the club which stood by him throughout his injury problems. Proper legend. It is not over the top to call this guy a legend

[newterp]

"He has an unswerving commitment to Liverpool which is so refreshing. His loyalty to the club is incredible.

love the dig at Suarez

[Kovai Red]

love the dig at Suarez

Digs aside, it just shows what kind of person Agger is

[tubby]

Agger is awesome.  Love the guy.

[No666]

love the dig at Suarez

I think it's designed to show Barça Agger isn't the easy option if they fail to get Luiz, as they seemed to think.

[walshys_mullet]

To En Vogues what a man

What a man,
what a man
what an Agger good man,
Whata Agger Agger good maaan!

[dr.dracco]

Nobody argues about his loyalty, or about his qualities as a footballer.

But after 3 average and bad last season, he should finally prove himself as a good defender.