Topic: David Moyes was the manager of Manchester United

[GreatEx]

No, you shouldn't live in the past, but it's you bringing up transfers from 2007, not me.

Since Rodgers has come we've also bought Kagawa and Van Persie, you know, the golden boot winner who spearheaded our title win last season.

You've bought well, but so have we.

So you paid a huge transfer fee and astronomical wages to lure the league's top striker (at the time), aged 29/30, to your club - hardly a genius signing, is it? And a Bundesliga star who never plays in the PL is hardly a great signing.

It hardly compares with the foresight of bringing in the likes of Sturridge and Coutinho for way less than their current value and seeing them blossom into stars.

We made some embarrassing signings between 2009-12 (although you could argue that the Suarez signings makes up for all the bad ones combined), but in the last couple of windows we have shat all over United, don't see how anyone can argue with that. Our hope is that these windows form part of a trend that leave you in our wake. We shall see.

[DanishGuy]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/nov/29/wayne-rooney-david-moyes-durabilty

For those in the know about fitness and the like, what do you think about this?

(Playing more and more matches) doesn't really seem to affect him in a way it does others. "

Let PhaseOfPlay spread his words of wisdom again please.

[Erics Collar Don't Mata]

So you paid a huge transfer fee and astronomical wages to lure the league's top striker (at the time), aged 29/30, to your club - hardly a genius signing, is it? And a Bundesliga star who never plays in the PL is hardly a great signing.

It hardly compares with the foresight of bringing in the likes of Sturridge and Coutinho for way less than their current value and seeing them blossom into stars.

We made some embarrassing signings between 2009-12 (although you could argue that the Suarez signings makes up for all the bad ones combined), but in the last couple of windows we have shat all over United, don't see how anyone can argue with that. Our hope is that these windows form part of a trend that leave you in our wake. We shall see.

So if you signed, say someone like Goetze or Ribery, it would hardly be a great signing because they have not played in the EPL? That theory has been shot years ago and you only have to look at Fellaini with us, he has years of proven experience in the EPL but has found it tough so far (can't judge him yet but that theory of EPL proven is nonsense). You only have to look in your backyard at Suarez to confirm that, he has been great with no previous experience in the EPL.

[The 5th Benitle]

Please don't call it the EPL.

[TSC]

So you paid a huge transfer fee and astronomical wages to lure the league's top striker (at the time), aged 29/30, to your club - hardly a genius signing, is it?

To be fair without him they wouldn't have won the title last yr, so on that basis it was a cheap buy.

[Erics Collar Don't Mata]

Also, if you wanted to compare the transfer business of the two clubs. During the EPL era, Liverpool has spent more than United and I would argue that United has been more successful in that period. So mock it all you want but I think it has paid off more often than not for United.

[Erics Collar Don't Mata]

Please don't call it the EPL.

When I am talking specifically of 92 onwards, it's quicker than writing English Premier League.

[CHOPPER]

To be fair without him they wouldn't have won the title last yr, so on that basis it was a cheap buy.

I serioulsy doubt he was bought for the league.

A last gasp attempt to win the Europena Cup, disregarding the long-term good of squad and club and was more one man's personal journey to win it for him, not them, but him.

I'd never seen him so hurt after the defeat to Madrid last season.

[Cantona]

I serioulsy doubt he was bought for the league.

A last gasp attempt to win the Europena Cup, disregarding the long-term good of squad and club and was more one man's personal journey to win it for him, not them, but him.

I'd never seen him so hurt after the defeat to Madrid last season.

Yes you're right Chopper, what was he thinking buying Van Persie? Did Fergie not think of the long term damage this has caused? 

I'm glad he's retired now.

[Red Genius]

Please don't call it the EPL.

Do me a favour kid, explain why this is such a finger wag on here? When folk talk about the European Cup as the Champions League, i get it....but it's really not the "first division" anymore, why the animosity to using EPL? - genuinely intrigued mate, happy to be educated. Just cannot put it together for myself.

[KERRYKOP]

Do me a favour kid, explain why this is such a finger wag on here?

This is what I think, because English people don't call it that. If you said it down the pub you'd be ridiculed.

[Prof]

Kids a beast isn't he. That goal he scored against Napoli a couple weeks back. Absolutely buried Pepe. Some talent to let slip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwqXDovXS2A

Terrible first touch followed by a sliced volley

Jammy git

[zero zero]

Do me a favour kid, explain why this is such a finger wag on here? When folk talk about the European Cup as the Champions League, i get it....but it's really not the "first division" anymore, why the animosity to using EPL? - genuinely intrigued mate, happy to be educated. Just cannot put it together for myself.

I think it's because Premier League or PL is fine. The British Queen. The British Parliament. Unneeded foreignism, perhaps.

[Barney_Rubble]

It's only known as the EPL outside E

[Groundskeeper Willie]

It's only known as the EPL outside E

Even here in S, we don´t call it that.

[Barney_Rubble]

E might mean Europe...

[Willi]

Mother rang me last night.

'Did you watch Man Utd wednesday?'

'No I didn't.'

'They were brilliant, really good'

'I heard Leverkusen were really bad'

'No, Man Utd were really good, I think I might start following them'

' But but but' I stuttered, 'they are Man Utd and they are managed by
David Moyes'

'ha ha, I know how to wind you up' she said.

At 86 she can still intentionally wind me up. I should have learnt by now

[Red Genius]

ahhh am with ya, can't say i ever sit on a stool at a pub and ever say 'the english premier league' i just talk about the clubs and players.

Never realised it was such a *thing* but then i don't refer to our league as the 'english premier league'

We just spitting dummies here lads or wha...

[KERRYKOP]

Doesn't really help that a Manc started it all either. We don't like them apparently.

[John C]

When I am talking specifically of 92 onwards, it's quicker than writing English Premier League.

That's the best unknowingly wrong reply this month mate. You actually think that explains or justifys it when your 35 miles down the road

Just as a matter of interest, would pre-92 be FD or EFD?

[ar66]

It's only known as the EPL outside E

I wasn't aware of that. It's inaccurate anyway since Welsh teams are a part and parcel of the PL even if it is described as "English football". I wouldn't worry about foreigners since a lot of them call Britain "England". I have never understood or agreed with separate Scottish and Northern Irish clubs anyway, it should all be British football really. Either we are the same country or we're not. It seems they are having their cake and eating it as well.

[Red Genius]

So.... what this EPL all about?

You bunch of soft twunts...can't believe i just had to ask what that was all about, fucking hell, some folk have far too much time on their hands.

[soxfan]

For you folks complaining about it being called the EPL, you need to take your pitchforks and torches to Google. Look what it comes up with when I search for "premier league" 

[zero zero]

For you folks complaining about it being called the EPL, you need to take your pitchforks and torches to Google. Look what it comes up with when I search for "premier league" 

In my experience we have never had a problem dropping "E's in the UK. 

[John C]

Dur mate, if you're on a Liverpool forum the PL is sufficient, honestly.

[Red Genius]

Dur mate, if you're on a Liverpool forum the PL is sufficient, honestly.

John mate i love you... but for fucks sake, we're really all squabbling over a letter? only on a bastard forum... who really gives a shit? We've all far more important things to give a damn about.

The PL, EPL...first division... what the fuck ever, we all know what we're talking about for crying out loud.

[PhaseOfPlay]

The only important thing to know is that DM is the MGR of MUFC.

[Red Genius]

The only important thing to know is that DM is the MGR of MUFC.

Hush *PoP*

[Erics Collar Don't Mata]

Apologies for upsetting people over a letter.

My point was, if you are going to compare the two clubs transfer business since the revamp of the Premier League, you can mock how bad we have spent over the years all you want but we have spent less than Liverpool and I would say that we have had more success in that time.

[Kochevnik]

It's hardly necessary to point out to Liverpool fans how utterly average our transfer record has been in the last 20-odd years.  Mostly because we had average (or worse, on a couple of occasions) managers in charge of said transfers.  On the odd chance that we did have a quality manager in charge, we had atrocious ownership decimating any possibility of success.

This thread is more about how your transfer record is going to look in the future, now that you're the one with an average manager in charge of them.  So far ... well, it doesn't look good. 

[PhaseOfPlay]

It's hardly necessary to point out to Liverpool fans how utterly average our transfer record has been in the last 20-odd years.  Mostly because we had average (or worse, on a couple of occasions) managers in charge of said transfers.  On the odd chance that we did have a quality manager in charge, we had atrocious ownership decimating any possibility of success.

This thread is more about how your transfer record is going to look in the future, now that you're the one with an average manager in charge of them.  So far ... well, it doesn't look good. 

We've had 7 managers since the start of the Premier League. Which ones exactly were average and below average?

[Something Awful]

We've had 7 managers since the start of the Premier League. Which ones exactly were average and below average?

Souness and Roy were below average. Ged, Rafa, and Kenny were above average. Rodgers I like but time will tell. Roy Evans was boss, I loved him.

[Kochevnik]

Souness and Roy were below average. Ged, Rafa, and Kenny were above average. Rodgers I like but time will tell. Roy Evans was boss, I loved him.

I'd say that's about right.  I don't know if I'd say Kenny was above average in his second stint; I know it's not popular (and there were obviously extenuating circumstances trying to recover from Roy) but I didn't think he did well at all, especially in the player recruitment area.  Also I think Rafa was better than "above average" but as I mentioned he was contending with ownership issues.  Other than that I'd agree with this.

The point is that for a long time, United were managed by a man who, having been fortunate to see a fantastic group of players come through the academy all at once, was free to spend big on a smaller set of players and if one or two didn't work out, it was fine.  Plus he had a good eye for talent and got the most out of the majority of his players.  Now they're going to see what life is like on the other side of that line with Moyes in charge.  Fellaini for 28 million while publicly failing to bring in a number of high-profile players is just the tip of the iceberg; it will only get worse for them IMO.

[Brian Blessed]

David Moys is still the managr of Manchstr Unitd.

[JohnnoWhite]

They already goofed like this with Fellaini? Paid £5m more for him than they needed to by not exercising the buyout clause.

Agree about the over-paying except that it's not the same case. Fellaini wasn't an existing United player.

[Hij]

They'll beat spurs, they always do. Or atleast it feels like they always do, they can also score goals unlike tottenham.

They always beat Spurs

[Hij]

Roy Evans is BOSS.

[1892tillforever]

They always beat Spurs

Except for last season when they won and drew but I see what you're saying  More often than not, they crumble like Arsenal and I think the Mancs will win today but hoping that Moyes can fuck things up in his own special way.

[Adeemo]

Just a quick one with regards to the use of EPL, for me it represents all that's shite with modern football and modern fans, too American and too Sky.

[sminp]

David Moys is still the managr of Manchstr Unitd.

If you were intentionally dropping all the E's then you fucked up