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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1960 on: April 29, 2024, 05:10:18 pm »
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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1961 on: April 29, 2024, 05:38:54 pm »
This is in the right direction. Bit surprised Newcastle did support it.

It's PR guff to make it seem like they are doing something. 115 and headchoppers FC will be laughing at that.
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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1962 on: April 29, 2024, 05:55:54 pm »
PR stunt that changes nothing.
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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1963 on: April 29, 2024, 06:30:56 pm »
What does spending cap mean to nation states who can pay off the books and use financial systems and institutions they own to circumvent it?
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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1964 on: April 29, 2024, 07:00:30 pm »
What does spending cap mean to nation states who can pay off the books and use financial systems and institutions they own to circumvent it?
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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1965 on: April 29, 2024, 07:33:06 pm »
It kinda proves that City are guilty. If they had nothing to hide then why would they vote against it when the majority have accepted it.

I can see why United voted against it. They have a strong supporter base and this could hamper them spending their way out of the mess they are in.

As people have already said, City will just pay their players off the books…….i’m sure one of their sponsors would be delighted to pay crazy money just for 5 minutes PR time etc.

On the other hand, will this make the EPL a bit uncompetitive if the other European leagues don’t adopt it also?


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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1966 on: April 29, 2024, 07:43:04 pm »
It's PR guff to make it seem like they are doing something. 115 and headchoppers FC will be laughing at that.

Feel the same way.

Can't help feeling that moves like the spending cap are the PL's way of saying "look, we are doing something" when they inevitably don't punish City in any meaningful way.

City will just find a new way to cook the books, give false figures and go on signing world class players, like the way Haaland only cost £40m. Because of course they never had to pay £30m to his agent and £30m to the player on top of that, and I'm sure Haaland was happy to choose City for the project and earn less than Marcus Rashford.

A spending cap won't have anything like the effect that some think - cheats gonna keep cheating.

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1967 on: April 29, 2024, 09:15:51 pm »
It kinda proves that City are guilty. If they had nothing to hide then why would they vote against it when the majority have accepted it.

I can see why United voted against it. They have a strong supporter base and this could hamper them spending their way out of the mess they are in.

As people have already said, City will just pay their players off the books…….i’m sure one of their sponsors would be delighted to pay crazy money just for 5 minutes PR time etc.

On the other hand, will this make the EPL a bit uncompetitive if the other European leagues don’t adopt it also?


Cheats will find a way round it and will continue to hide the financial trail.

Five times the lowest TV money for a PL club is still half a billion a year for a club to spend. How many legitimate clubs in Europe exceed that, and can therefore outspend PL clubs who have that cap?
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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1968 on: April 30, 2024, 12:26:47 am »
The devil is in the detail with these things, the one that has been pushed out suggests spending will be capped at a multiple the lowest clubs revenue, say 5 times the value.

To me this just seems like bollocks.
It could mean even the lowest club can spend 5 times its broadcasting revenue. Another model suggests a % of income.

1. In the first option clubs can make losses if they can sustain them, just what Newcastle want2. In the second option, you can manipulate your income, just like Chelsea did with their hotels and City did up to 115 times.
If the rule is to make sense it is to protect clubs from excessive spending, even if they (inititally often) have the money. Everton thought they had the money then Russia invaded Ukraine, it also impacted on Chelsea but they got lucky. Newcastle could go out and spend £1bn but if Saudi suddenly found themselves in a different political zone (highly possible), Newcastle could get left high and dry (we wish)
The rules should be closer to what they are now, limiting losses. But (and this is like VAR), it's not the rules that are the problem, it's the people implementing them.
Making up penalties after the event, lack of clarity on the rules, allowing loopholes (ie Chelsea), not punishing in line with the rules (City). It's the PL (again) that are the problem.

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1969 on: April 30, 2024, 05:58:35 am »
If you've got one set of rules you can't enforce, why not introduce another set of rules you know you will never enforce?

Pathetic window dressing.

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1970 on: April 30, 2024, 07:04:24 am »
This is in the right direction. Bit surprised Newcastle did support it.


I did suggest this a few pages back, although 5 times the bottom teams seems a bit ott. But still it's the only real way to try and enforce some sort of parity instead of the current ffp rules.

Transfer fees would be the easiest way as its harder to hide as the other club would have to also release figures about any deal done. Wages clubs can easier bypass rules

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1971 on: April 30, 2024, 01:29:50 pm »
I did suggest this a few pages back, although 5 times the bottom teams seems a bit ott. But still it's the only real way to try and enforce some sort of parity instead of the current ffp rules.

Transfer fees would be the easiest way as its harder to hide as the other club would have to also release figures about any deal done. Wages clubs can easier bypass rules


I think Newcastle's limit at the moment is around £250m, the new system might push that up to £450-500m so they will be the main beneficiaries. Clubs like Everton and Palace will see advantage in it but they have to find the money. Newcastle have it in spades.


Once Newcastle have reached the same situation as City it will limit them, no doubt they want to get there fast first then worry about the rules (and changing them again) then.
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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1972 on: April 30, 2024, 03:03:55 pm »
Think Newcastle, Aston Villa, Bournemouth, Forest, leicesters would benefit in terms of not being restricted. The interesting thing would be whether there are also controls in place for debt and overspending still against income for the safety of the teams.

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1973 on: April 30, 2024, 05:00:55 pm »
Think Newcastle, Aston Villa, Bournemouth, Forest, leicesters would benefit in terms of not being restricted. The interesting thing would be whether there are also controls in place for debt and overspending still against income for the safety of the teams.


Exactly, this is why it should exist
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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1975 on: June 7, 2024, 12:34:46 am »
Football is fucked to be honest, the greedy and dangerous have got hold of the game and are wrenching it away from us.
Just compare it to Rugby League, a far more honest and balanced sport.
Wigan are the biggest spender in England, they are allowed to spend c£3m on their squads total wages, that is about one half of what Jordan Pickford earns from Everton from flapping his tiny hands 40 times a year. Australiam teams get to spend £6m (but have to spend around that sum), you are left with a game which is far more balanced and devoid of most of the shite that now exists around football in this country.

Even German football is better run.
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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1976 on: June 7, 2024, 10:32:57 am »
https://x.com/David_Ornstein/status/1798839486144733666
Don't understand why a decision like this is even up for a vote. The Premier League should just close the loophole. Absolute joke.

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1977 on: June 7, 2024, 10:37:16 am »
Football is fucked to be honest, the greedy and dangerous have got hold of the game and are wrenching it away from us.
Just compare it to Rugby League, a far more honest and balanced sport.
Wigan are the biggest spender in England, they are allowed to spend c£3m on their squads total wages, that is about one half of what Jordan Pickford earns from Everton from flapping his tiny hands 40 times a year. Australiam teams get to spend £6m (but have to spend around that sum), you are left with a game which is far more balanced and devoid of most of the shite that now exists around football in this country.

Even German football is better run.


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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1978 on: June 7, 2024, 10:39:46 am »
Don't understand why a decision like this is even up for a vote. The Premier League should just close the loophole. Absolute joke.
The Premier is a union of the 20 clubs. If any decision is passed, it must be approved by the majority whoch is fair.

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1979 on: June 7, 2024, 11:15:26 am »
The Premier is a union of the 20 clubs. If any decision is passed, it must be approved by the majority whoch is fair.

Sounds a bit tyrannical to me.

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1980 on: June 7, 2024, 11:37:23 am »
The Premier is a union of the 20 clubs. If any decision is passed, it must be approved by the majority whoch is fair.

The majority did vote in favour, but the PL has a supermajority rule, which is usually used for important/major changes, not like with Brexit which was just a little thing.
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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1981 on: June 7, 2024, 12:28:44 pm »
The majority did vote in favour, but the PL has a supermajority rule, which is usually used for important/major changes, not like with Brexit which was just a little thing.
It's fair for big changes IMO. Maybe they'll try again later.

Teams that have been punished like Everton and Forest will never be in favour of it.

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1982 on: June 7, 2024, 02:19:17 pm »
https://x.com/David_Ornstein/status/1798839486144733666
It's a weird loophole as buying/building those assets doesn't count against FFP but selling them can be used to offset FFP.

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1983 on: June 7, 2024, 03:57:29 pm »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c166806n6g5o

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1984 on: June 7, 2024, 04:52:39 pm »

Amazing how all the rules they try to introduce doesn't effect the real issue.

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1985 on: June 9, 2024, 12:08:39 pm »
Every Premier League board meeting should have a fan rep from each club present and be more accountable. That's one of the best things a regulator should be bringing in.

It just sounds totally grim having 20 billionaires, near enough, squabbling and all looking after their own interests.
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