Author Topic: Jordan Henderson (Read 431706 times)

downtown · « **Reply #1320 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:09:44 pm »

Surely, and I mean surely, he won't start next week at SJP ?

Brentieke · « **Reply #1321 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:11:18 pm »

Quote from: downtown on March 24, 2012, 05:09:44 pm

Surely, and I mean surely, he won't start next week at SJP ?

Why not?

Not like he played today. You cant blame that on him.

El_Pistolero · « **Reply #1322 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:11:53 pm »

He actually had a poor game, slaters gonna slate.

Jimmyjames · « **Reply #1323 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:13:01 pm »

as bad a CM as a RM - gash

GoodStuff · « **Reply #1324 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:13:58 pm »

As every Liverpool fan expected and knew - Shelvey is just as good if not better. Defo has more bottle. Yet we pay 20m on him. NO NEED. Shocker of a transfer.

Mali1 · « **Reply #1325 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:20:13 pm »

Quote from: GoodStuff on March 24, 2012, 05:13:58 pm

As every Liverpool fan expected and knew - Shelvey is just as good if not better. Defo has more bottle. Yet we pay 20m on him. NO NEED. Shocker of a transfer.

The only thing I can see from Henderson is the ability to pass nicely weighted balls. Other than that, I just don't see any distinctive capability from him. He clearly not brave enough to shoot or drive forward.

To me Shelvey is braver and more creative.

Brentieke · « **Reply #1326 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:22:32 pm »

Defines the absolute ridiculous transfer strategy that LFC have had in the past year in my opinion.

The one player that made absolutely no sense at all.

See, even Carroll, you can make an argument for. Scored lots of goals, young, terrorised defences, last day of the transfer market, you need a striker etc...

Same with Downing. Great season at Villa, offers width that we never had, need his crossing to bring the best out of Carroll etc...

But this guy? Sorry. Not a single part of that transfer made sense.

12-13-14-16-20m on a player who was ok for Sunderland (at best), who played in a position where we already had a better player than him operating (Meireles), that lacks the balls to fully assert himself on the team. Bought because he was...What exactly? Young, English and... What?

The one transfer that made absolutely no sense and defines the folly of us under FSG more than any other.

It aint a I told you so. But I was steadfest against this signing from the word go and got dog's abuse for it.

mart356 · « **Reply #1327 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:25:03 pm »

always been one of the lads biggest supporters, but lately hes been playing shite, to be honest. such a lack of bottle, character, confidence and arrogence.

Caligula? · « **Reply #1328 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:26:44 pm »

I'm about done with him. He's not good enough for this club. Simples.

liverpooll · « **Reply #1329 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:27:55 pm »

Quote from: Brentie on March 24, 2012, 05:22:32 pm

Defines the ~~absolute~~ another ridiculous transfer strategy that LFC have had in the past year in my opinion.

Correct,

what surprised me the most was that even after the terrible signing of Carroll 6 months later, we repeated the same mistake by getting Henderson. Another hyped English player, paid exactly what his club wanted, all based on 1 average season, and probably the main reason like Carroll, we were hurried and bullied in over paying him just to avoid any so called competition.

Red Eyed · « **Reply #1330 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:28:32 pm »

Still think we should keep him but gradually bed him in to a central position next season, worth the risk he has great qualities to play in that position.

Beninger · « **Reply #1331 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:29:09 pm »

Not a good performance from him at all...

KirkVanHouten · « **Reply #1332 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:30:53 pm »

Someone needs to have a word with this lad he needs to grow a pair because I can see talent in there but no aggression whatsoever. Seriously Jordan when you have the opportunity to shoot in a great position TAKE THE SHOT please.

God's Left Peg · « **Reply #1333 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:31:16 pm »

Quote from: Brentie on March 24, 2012, 05:22:32 pm

Defines the absolute ridiculous transfer strategy that LFC have had in the past year in my opinion.

The one player that made absolutely no sense at all.

See, even Carroll, you can make an argument for. Scored lots of goals, young, terrorised defences, last day of the transfer market, you need a striker etc...

Same with Downing. Great season at Villa, offers width that we never had, need his crossing to bring the best out of Carroll etc...

But this guy? Sorry. Not a single part of that transfer made sense.

12-13-14-16-20m on a player who was ok for Sunderland (at best), who played in a position where we already had a better player than him operating (Meireles), that lacks the balls to fully assert himself on the team. Bought because he was...What exactly? Young, English and... What?

The one transfer that made absolutely no sense and defines the folly of us under FSG more than any other.

It aint a I told you so. But I was steadfest against this signing from the word go and got dog's abuse for it.

I think this is very difficult to argue against. Henderson *might* one day develop into a useful footballer but at the moment he is not the answer - too often he is a passenger and simply does not contribute enough.

People are entitled to their opinion that he has good technique, but for the money paid for him I don't think he can currently be considered a success.

He needs to be dropped in favour of Shelvey or Maxi so that they can show us all what they're capable of.

God's Left Peg · « **Reply #1334 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:33:46 pm »

Quote from: liverpooll on March 24, 2012, 05:27:55 pm

... we were hurried and bullied in over paying him just to avoid any so called competition.

Bullied and hurried because we clearly made his signing a priority.

Had he worked out people would not be saying we were weak negotiators, but shrewd businessmen who did what it took to get our man.

stevieG786 · « **Reply #1335 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:34:09 pm »

Not good enough for us, simple.

He's young though, so a 30minute run out here and there would be okay, Jonjo should be ahead of him everyday of the week.

Davidbowie · « **Reply #1336 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:36:33 pm »

I just haven't seen Henderson produce on a consistent basis, he's a player who seems to excel at nothing but can do the simple things.

Do Liverpool FC need a player like that?

liverpooll · « **Reply #1337 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:38:52 pm »

Quote from: matt120979 on March 24, 2012, 05:33:46 pm

Bullied and hurried because we clearly made his signing a priority.

Had he worked out people would not be saying we were weak negotiators, but shrewd businessmen who did what it took to get our man.

On Carroll? Not really, we just wanted to make a PR statement which lacked any common sense
On Henderson? Maybe, we brought him as the solution for our right wing but it is not happening.

ChristophLFC · « **Reply #1338 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:39:06 pm »

just showed how out of depth he is

took a step too way too far coming here

and he was in the center

Brentieke · « **Reply #1339 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:42:49 pm »

The key in transfers to keep a club moving forwards is to replace player by player that are better.

That's how you improve. That's why you dont need to spend gazilions to be succesful.

Signing Jordan Henderson to replace Raul Meireles because he could, potentialy, maybe, sometime in the future, but not definately, become a better player is lunacy.

You had one player that operated fantasticly well with your best player in Luis Suarez. Want to sell him? Fine. But replace him with a better player.

We traded down on Meireles in the single most illogical transfer move since Aquilani came in to replace Alonso. And we've suffered from it a great deal.

Raul Meireles, far from being the best player in the team, has offered us as many assists in the league in 40mn this season as Jordan Henderson has all season. That says it all in my opinion.

Want to build for the future? Fine. But then you have no excuse when you a mid table team in the league. You've asked for it.

xavidub · « **Reply #1340 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:45:33 pm »

Whatever his quality, and he has shown glimpses of it this season, the utter stupidity of using him on the right has damaged him this season and is the responsibility of the Manager, no one else.

cptrios · « **Reply #1341 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:46:16 pm »

Quote from: Brentie on March 24, 2012, 05:22:32 pm

Defines the absolute ridiculous transfer strategy that LFC have had in the past year in my opinion.

The one player that made absolutely no sense at all.

See, even Carroll, you can make an argument for. Scored lots of goals, young, terrorised defences, last day of the transfer market, you need a striker etc...

Same with Downing. Great season at Villa, offers width that we never had, need his crossing to bring the best out of Carroll etc...

But this guy? Sorry. Not a single part of that transfer made sense.

12-13-14-16-20m on a player who was ok for Sunderland (at best), who played in a position where we already had a better player than him operating (Meireles), that lacks the balls to fully assert himself on the team. Bought because he was...What exactly? Young, English and... What?

The one transfer that made absolutely no sense and defines the folly of us under FSG more than any other.

It aint a I told you so. But I was steadfest against this signing from the word go and got dog's abuse for it.

Honestly this is an unfairly negative comment, but on paper and in principle I really can't disagree with you. I'm a firm believer that the one thing he's lacking is confidence, and that if he can find that, everything else will fall into place. But if he can't, then he'll be every bit the failure you say he is.

Quote from: KirkVanHouten on March 24, 2012, 05:30:53 pm

Someone needs to have a word with this lad he needs to grow a pair because I can see talent in there but no aggression whatsoever. Seriously Jordan when you have the opportunity to shoot in a great position TAKE THE SHOT please.

That one really did my head in. Third or fourth time this season he's done the exact same thing. You can cut his lack of self-belief with a knife. I really think he needs to start hanging out with Shelvey off the pitch and hope that some of that cockiness rubs off on him.

Yes, I notice the last part of that sentence, and no, I'm not going to bother changing it!

Brentieke · « **Reply #1342 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:50:30 pm »

Quote from: xavidub on March 24, 2012, 05:45:33 pm

Whatever his quality, and he has shown glimpses of it this season, the utter stupidity of using him on the right has damaged him this season and is the responsibility of the Manager, no one else.

Sorry, but he's been played everywhere.

Central midfield for a few games, off the striker for a few games, on the right for a few games, on the left even against Spurs and Stoke...

He's played on the right many times for Sunderland.

The fact of the matter is, his only very good Liverpool performance came on the right vs Bolton. He hasnt come close to playing as well as that again in any other position.

It aint a position thing with him- it's a mental thing.

Brentieke · « **Reply #1343 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:52:14 pm »

And ask Sunderland fans and people that saw him often. Many said his best position was on the right.

KirkVanHouten · « **Reply #1344 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:53:58 pm »

Quote from: cptrios on March 24, 2012, 05:46:16 pm

Honestly this is an unfairly negative comment, but on paper and in principle I really can't disagree with you. I'm a firm believer that the one thing he's lacking is confidence, and that if he can find that, everything else will fall into place. But if he can't, then he'll be every bit the failure you say he is.

That one really did my head in. Third or fourth time this season he's done the exact same thing. You can cut his lack of self-belief with a knife. I really think he needs to start hanging out with Shelvey off the pitch and hope that some of that cockiness rubs off on him.

Yes, I notice the last part of that sentence, and no, I'm not going to bother changing it!

That's why even though they are shit blokes guys like Drogba, Ashley Cole and Cristiano Ronaldo succeed in this game. Because they are arrogant and are confident in their ability. I feel like we have completely mismanaged this guy he needed to gradually build up to playing regularly not chucked in the deep end and occasionally fished him out only to kick him back in.

Upinsmoke · « **Reply #1345 on:** March 24, 2012, 05:55:03 pm »

Has the wrong mentality. Either somebody at the club needs to tell him or he has to wake up and realise it.

Fordy · « **Reply #1346 on:** March 24, 2012, 06:00:16 pm »

Quote from: Upinsmoke on March 24, 2012, 05:55:03 pm

Has the wrong mentality. Either somebody at the club needs to tell him or he has to wake up and realise it.

It's not going to happen. His mentality won't change. He talks a good game but is poor.

A worse signing than Andy Carroll this by a country mile.

stonty · « **Reply #1347 on:** March 24, 2012, 06:00:31 pm »

Get rid in the summer, let him be someone else's next Scotty Parker in 6 yrs time

Bonaqua · « **Reply #1348 on:** March 24, 2012, 06:01:09 pm »

Quote from: Brentie on March 24, 2012, 05:22:32 pm

Defines the absolute ridiculous transfer strategy that LFC have had in the past year in my opinion.

The one player that made absolutely no sense at all.

See, even Carroll, you can make an argument for. Scored lots of goals, young, terrorised defences, last day of the transfer market, you need a striker etc...

Same with Downing. Great season at Villa, offers width that we never had, need his crossing to bring the best out of Carroll etc...

But this guy? Sorry. Not a single part of that transfer made sense.

12-13-14-16-20m on a player who was ok for Sunderland (at best), who played in a position where we already had a better player than him operating (Meireles), that lacks the balls to fully assert himself on the team. Bought because he was...What exactly? Young, English and... What?

The one transfer that made absolutely no sense and defines the folly of us under FSG more than any other.

It aint a I told you so. But I was steadfest against this signing from the word go and got dog's abuse for it.

Yes. I've been telling people. We should listen more to Brentie when it comes to transfers. I have analyzed your transfer related posts. You are usually right in your price reviews.

Johnnyboy1973 · « **Reply #1349 on:** March 24, 2012, 06:01:11 pm »

He cant hadle the pressure. If ever there was a player that needs to be coming off the bench at present, it's him.

xavidub · « **Reply #1350 on:** March 24, 2012, 06:02:05 pm »

Quote from: Brentie on March 24, 2012, 05:52:14 pm

And ask Sunderland fans and people that saw him often. Many said his best position was on the right.

Well he has shown nothing whatsoever as an RM. His only decent performances have been in CM and it makes some sort of sense to think about a replacement for SG. If he is really our idea of a RM then we can add transfer lunacy to the deal

gallden · « **Reply #1351 on:** March 24, 2012, 06:04:15 pm »

At our current level he is good enough.

xavidub · « **Reply #1352 on:** March 24, 2012, 06:05:54 pm »

Quote from: gallden on March 24, 2012, 06:04:15 pm

At our current level I am good enough.

gallden · « **Reply #1353 on:** March 24, 2012, 06:08:19 pm »

Quote from: xavidub on March 24, 2012, 06:05:54 pm

Too right. I would try really hard as well.

Flinstone · « **Reply #1354 on:** March 24, 2012, 06:08:28 pm »

Quote from: Brentie on March 24, 2012, 05:22:32 pm

Defines the absolute ridiculous transfer strategy that LFC have had in the past year in my opinion.

The one player that made absolutely no sense at all.

See, even Carroll, you can make an argument for. Scored lots of goals, young, terrorised defences, last day of the transfer market, you need a striker etc...

Same with Downing. Great season at Villa, offers width that we never had, need his crossing to bring the best out of Carroll etc...

But this guy? Sorry. Not a single part of that transfer made sense.

12-13-14-16-20m on a player who was ok for Sunderland (at best), who played in a position where we already had a better player than him operating (Meireles), that lacks the balls to fully assert himself on the team. Bought because he was...What exactly? Young, English and... What?

The one transfer that made absolutely no sense and defines the folly of us under FSG more than any other.

It aint a I told you so. But I was steadfest against this signing from the word go and got dog's abuse for it.

you keep going on and on about the same thing don't you?

do you or do you not think he is technically good?

do you think he has a good pass on him?

do you think his movement is good?

for fuck's sake he's never going to impose himself on games.i don't know why your using that as a stick to beat him.
he's the perfect player to keep the ball moving,play ticking over.with the right midfield he'll become boss.

xavidub · « **Reply #1355 on:** March 24, 2012, 06:12:07 pm »

Criticism aside, he is still a better buy than Stuart "White Feather" Downing imo.

Pistolero · « **Reply #1356 on:** March 24, 2012, 06:14:17 pm »

Quote from: xavidub on March 24, 2012, 05:45:33 pm

Whatever his quality, and he has shown glimpses of it this season, the utter stupidity of using him on the right has damaged him this season and is the responsibility of the Manager, no one else.

oh fuckin behave yerself...

RideTheWalrus · « **Reply #1357 on:** March 24, 2012, 06:15:04 pm »

Too negative and cautious. Like when he got the ball on the edge of their box, he tried to dribble in vertically instead of shooting, afraid he'll miss.

vitch · « **Reply #1358 on:** March 24, 2012, 06:16:17 pm »

Quote from: xavidub on March 24, 2012, 06:12:07 pm

Criticism aside, he is still a better buy than Stuart "White Feather" Downing imo.

But still not a better buy than Aquilani (the poster child for Benitez bashing).... Who cost a similar amount of money and is an Italian international playing in the same position as Jordan for the team at the top of Serie A.

gazzathered · « **Reply #1359 on:** March 24, 2012, 06:16:48 pm »

Quote from: isildurrr on March 24, 2012, 06:08:28 pm

you keep going on and on about the same thing don't you?

do you or do you not think he is technically good?

do you think he has a good pass on him?

do you think his movement is good?

for fuck's sake he's never going to impose himself on games.i don't know why your using that as a stick to beat him.
he's the perfect player to keep the ball moving,play ticking over.with the right midfield he'll become boss.

Yeah he keeps it moving backward, he's been crap this season, scared of a tackle, only time he went near an opposition player he pushed a player over which was so obvious it was embarrassing.
Why keep playing him, put him in the reserves.