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Aristotle · « **Reply #440 on:** January 14, 2012, 02:50:15 am »

Quote from: bigbear on January 14, 2012, 02:34:15 am

At some stage someone on here willbe brave eough to say Harry Redknapp is a terrific manager. It's not diffivult

Well yes and no. He's been highly efficient at Spurs and maybe it's the mark of the English game that it works. Ferguson does it all the time. Keep pumping the ball into the box, have enough men there and if you go down a man put on another striker. There's definately a plan and stick with it no matter what and it usually works in England. And it's also why Spurs got tonked by Madrid when it required changing tactics on the fly.

MagicB8all · « **Reply #441 on:** January 14, 2012, 03:06:04 am »

Quote from: IndianRed on January 14, 2012, 02:19:27 am

Nah, the media have done a terrific hatchet job on Rafa. There's no way he's getting a high-profile job in England, that too in London replacing the media darling 'Arry.

Sadly, I'm forced to agree. Rafa is unlikely to ever get a job with a decent club in the PL.

BEAST · « **Reply #442 on:** January 14, 2012, 03:15:49 am »

Quote from: Aristotle on January 14, 2012, 02:50:15 am

Well yes and no. He's been highly efficient at Spurs and maybe it's the mark of the English game that it works. Ferguson does it all the time. Keep pumping the ball into the box, have enough men there and if you go down a man put on another striker. There's definately a plan and stick with it no matter what and it usually works in England. And it's also why Spurs got tonked by Madrid when it required changing tactics on the fly.

Yeah they got tonked by Madrid but they beat the fucking piss out of Inter at home and they scratched and clawed their way to a round of 16 win over eventual Serie A champs Milan. Who won the tactics battle there? Milan played narrow as hell at home and Spurs found a way to hit them on the counter coming from wide. They totally won the tactical battle on the night.

And to describe Spurs as a Allardyce outfit that just hopelessly pumps balls into the box is a disgrace. They don't play anything like that at all - who the fuck is pumping balls into the box? That team has a lot of attacking players - Bale, VDV, Lennon behind the striker and Modric creating from the middle and on top of that very very solid MF's in Sandro and Parker. They are a well balanced team that plays good stuff.

BEAST · « **Reply #443 on:** January 14, 2012, 03:17:32 am »

Spurs play a better style of football than we do. End of.

Nin · « **Reply #444 on:** January 14, 2012, 06:47:43 am »

The 'Arry bashers are fighting a losing battle. Time to accept that he's done a good job with Spurs and has them playing some really good football.

LiamG · « **Reply #445 on:** January 14, 2012, 08:18:33 am »

Quote from: Nin on January 14, 2012, 06:47:43 am

The 'Arry bashers are fighting a losing battle. Time to accept that he's done a good job with Spurs and has them playing some really good football.

Agreed, They are fucked when he leaves and takes the England job though!

Vidocq · « **Reply #446 on:** January 14, 2012, 10:25:09 am »

if they win the league that could be big lesson for us

Stevie93 · « **Reply #447 on:** January 14, 2012, 10:26:42 am »

Quote from: BEAST on January 14, 2012, 03:17:32 am

Spurs play a better style of football than we do. End of.

Not really up for debate to be honest.

Lush is the best medicine... · « **Reply #448 on:** January 14, 2012, 10:27:35 am »

Quote from: LiamG on January 14, 2012, 08:18:33 am

Agreed, They are fucked when he leaves and takes the England job though!

probably because moyes will go there more than anything

Kochevnik · « **Reply #449 on:** January 14, 2012, 10:48:44 am »

Redknapp is a wanker, there's no disputing that. There's also no disputing the fact that he's a quality manager.

Does he do things with a bit of a short-term perspective? Yes - witness how clubs have struggled upon his departure. But I think Spurs actually got pretty lucky to have it work out the way they did. They had Comolli buying top young players there for a few years, and then he left and (after some brief confusion) Harry came in to take over the short term. They already had Bale and Modric, and he adds a few more pieces like Parker and VdV, and they're flying. Mortgage the future a bit, but at least right now it's definitely working.

In two or three years they'll be back to where they always were, fighting to stay in the top 7 (Parker retires/is injured, Adebayor leaves, they bring in Martin O'Neill or someone like that, etc), but for this year at least it's all come together for them. I think they have to be disappointed they squandered their one CL chance when they did; if they were in it this year, I'd back them to go to the quarter-finals, maybe even the semi's. It will be very interesting to see what they do in that competition next year; depending on the manager it could be a complete disaster.

Tommy_W · « **Reply #450 on:** January 14, 2012, 11:19:01 am »

Quote from: Kochevnik on January 14, 2012, 10:48:44 am

I think they have to be disappointed they squandered their one CL chance when they did; if they were in it this year, I'd back them to go to the quarter-finals, maybe even the semi's.

I'd hardly say we squandered it! We got to the quarter finals in our first ever go - I was delighted with how well we did! Not many people thought we'd get out of the group

Cusamano · « **Reply #451 on:** January 14, 2012, 12:18:29 pm »

Like people have said the real test will come in the summer and how they cope with it.

Arguably their two best players and manager could leave this summer.

exiledinyorkshire · « **Reply #452 on:** January 14, 2012, 12:45:35 pm »

Quote from: Kochevnik on January 14, 2012, 10:48:44 am

Redknapp is a wanker, there's no disputing that. There's also no disputing the fact that he's a quality manager.

Does he do things with a bit of a short-term perspective? Yes - witness how clubs have struggled upon his departure. But I think Spurs actually got pretty lucky to have it work out the way they did. They had Comolli buying top young players there for a few years, and then he left and (after some brief confusion) Harry came in to take over the short term. They already had Bale and Modric, and he adds a few more pieces like Parker and VdV, and they're flying. Mortgage the future a bit, but at least right now it's definitely working.

In two or three years they'll be back to where they always were, fighting to stay in the top 7 (Parker retires/is injured, Adebayor leaves, they bring in Martin O'Neill or someone like that, etc), but for this year at least it's all come together for them. I think they have to be disappointed they squandered their one CL chance when they did; if they were in it this year, I'd back them to go to the quarter-finals, maybe even the semi's. It will be very interesting to see what they do in that competition next year; depending on the manager it could be a complete disaster.

Thats pretty much how i see it too.

Think we are possibly level with Spurs at the minute to be fair. I would conced thay are perhaps more fluent than us, but i see us as attaining that attacking fluency towards the end of the season when Suarez and gerard are playing together. I like the style kenny has brought to us, and give him the time and the ability to 1. bring in more quality, and 2. stock the squad with academy players, and we will play better 1 and 2 touch pass and move football. Bale and Adebeyour are the difference in squad quality for me. I think Modric is the equivelent to Gerrard, and there is no doubt in my mind that having steven available for the first half of the season would have put us where Spurs are now.

As regards to the overall look of Spurs, it was the one thing that really ever made me doubt Rafa. The way they played football, made me dissalusioned with the way we did.

sinnermichael · « **Reply #453 on:** January 14, 2012, 12:56:51 pm »

their next six away games are city, us, arsenal, everton, chelsea and sunderland. we'll see how they fare in those.

Kochevnik · « **Reply #454 on:** January 14, 2012, 12:57:37 pm »

Quote from: Tommy_W on January 14, 2012, 11:19:01 am

I'd hardly say we squandered it! We got to the quarter finals in our first ever go - I was delighted with how well we did! Not many people thought we'd get out of the group

True, I may have worded that poorly. I meant that this would have been the year when you would have had the best chance in the CL. I think you're a much better side this season than you were last.

I'll be very curious to see what happens with you next season. Once Redknapp leaves, whoever you have coming in is going to have a very hard time living up to fans' newly-heightened expectations.

krispy.red · « **Reply #455 on:** January 14, 2012, 01:25:21 pm »

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1008059/harry-redknapp:-emmanuel-adebayor-must-take-pay-cut-to-join-spurs?cc=5901

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"The other week, one of the lads told him that he had not paid his £50 fine for being the worst player in training on a Friday morning. One of the lads said to him: 'Bloody hell, Ade, you are on 200 grand a week and you can't afford to pay a £50 fine!' He replied: 'Don't insult me, it's 225!'." Redknapp added: "He certainly isn't getting that here."

With Tottenham's top earners thought to earn around £70,000 a week, Redknapp admits Spurs cannot afford to match City's spending power and faces a battle to keep hold of star names such as Luka Modric and Gareth Bale.

Staggering.

Vidocq · « **Reply #456 on:** January 14, 2012, 01:30:47 pm »

Quote from: Cusamano on January 14, 2012, 12:18:29 pm

Like people have said the real test will come in the summer and how they cope with it.

Arguably their two best players and manager could leave this summer.

just like us when we lost Masch and Alonso...since then we are in deep shit

Aristotle · « **Reply #457 on:** January 14, 2012, 01:37:45 pm »

Quote from: BEAST on January 14, 2012, 03:15:49 am

Yeah they got tonked by Madrid but they beat the fucking piss out of Inter at home and they scratched and clawed their way to a round of 16 win over eventual Serie A champs Milan. Who won the tactics battle there? Milan played narrow as hell at home and Spurs found a way to hit them on the counter coming from wide. They totally won the tactical battle on the night.

And to describe Spurs as a Allardyce outfit that just hopelessly pumps balls into the box is a disgrace. They don't play anything like that at all - who the fuck is pumping balls into the box? That team has a lot of attacking players - Bale, VDV, Lennon behind the striker and Modric creating from the middle and on top of that very very solid MF's in Sandro and Parker. They are a well balanced team that plays good stuff.

Milan I will give you, but against Inter they conceded 4 goals in one half and Bale had a wonderful night combined with Cesar's inability to save a shot and Maicon not giving a fuck. The same Inter side that lost to Werder Bremen 3-0 who ended 13th in the league so I don't all buy the tactical win.

The Playmaker · « **Reply #458 on:** January 14, 2012, 01:38:14 pm »

Quote from: Vidocq on January 14, 2012, 01:30:47 pm

just like us when we lost Masch and Alonso...since then we are in deep shit

Indeed, that’s why keeping Modric was so important. Every position is of course important but having a player who can dictate the style of play in midfield is so crucial. Parker has also been a superb addition for them and seems to complement Modric quite well.

Chelsea will probably rekindle their interest in Modric in the summer but they need to finish in the top four. I wonder if City would put in a bid for him though. Looking abroad there’s only a few teams who could afford him.

Lush is the best medicine... · « **Reply #459 on:** January 14, 2012, 01:39:43 pm »

Quote from: JavierMascherano20 on January 14, 2012, 01:38:14 pm

Indeed, that’s why keeping Modric was so important. Every position is of course important but having a player who can dictate the style of play in midfield is so crucial. Parker has also been a superb addition for them and seems to complement Modric quite well.

Chelsea will probably rekindle their interest in Modric in the summer but they need to finish in the top four. I wonder if City would put in a bid for him though. Looking abroad there’s only a few teams who could afford him.

to be honest i wouldnt be shocked if chelsea make a move for him this window like with torres last season

The Playmaker · « **Reply #460 on:** January 14, 2012, 01:42:31 pm »

Quote from: Laughter is the best medicine... on January 14, 2012, 01:39:43 pm

to be honest i wouldnt be shocked if chelsea make a move for him this window like with torres last season

Possibly but they’re going to have to go higher than the £40m that they offered in the summer. I think Spurs will keep him until the summer anyway.

thereader · « **Reply #461 on:** April 9, 2012, 06:10:37 pm »

Heading to the Europa League.

Brian Blessed · « **Reply #462 on:** April 9, 2012, 06:27:41 pm »

Quote from: thereader on April 9, 2012, 06:10:37 pm

Heading to the Europa League.

It's the better competition anyway.

JP-65 · « **Reply #463 on:** April 9, 2012, 06:30:53 pm »

6th may not have a place in the Europa League

Flinstone · « **Reply #464 on:** April 9, 2012, 06:35:32 pm »

Phil M · « **Reply #465 on:** April 9, 2012, 06:36:20 pm »

Hardly in a position to be smug really are we.

Flinstone · « **Reply #466 on:** April 9, 2012, 06:38:59 pm »

true.

doesn't make it any less hilarious does it?

Cusamano · « **Reply #467 on:** April 9, 2012, 06:40:08 pm »

Ive come to realise something.

Spurs will always be Spurs.

No matter how good their team is they will be destined to fuck things up forever.

Phil M · « **Reply #468 on:** April 9, 2012, 06:43:27 pm »

Quote from: isildurrr on April 9, 2012, 06:38:59 pm

true.

doesn't make it any less hilarious does it?

Make what hilarious? They're currently in 4th and have it in their own hands to qualify for the CL. Delighted Norwich won and I'd hope Newcastle pip them but I'll hold off on taking the piss until it actually happens.

Flinstone · « **Reply #469 on:** April 9, 2012, 06:48:28 pm »

Quote from: Phil M on April 9, 2012, 06:43:27 pm

Make what hilarious? They're currently in 4th and have it in their own hands to qualify for the CL. Delighted Norwich won and I'd hope Newcastle pip them but I'll hold off on taking the piss until it actually happens.

No it's hilarious that they were apparently an outside shot for the title but now they may not even hold on to fourth.im laughing more at the people who hyped them up.capiche?

stevedo · « **Reply #470 on:** April 9, 2012, 07:35:10 pm »

Quote from: bigbear on January 14, 2012, 02:34:15 am

At some stage someone on here willbe brave eough to say Harry Redknapp is a terrific manager. It's not diffivult

At some stage someone in the print media will be brave enough to say Harry Redknapps Spurs have choked badly.

bottleandahalf · « **Reply #471 on:** April 9, 2012, 07:35:51 pm »

Them and twitchy have got it very easy from sly - thus far. 6 points from 24!

LiverLuke · « **Reply #472 on:** April 9, 2012, 07:36:18 pm »

gf was at the game today she said it was a shambles and that the players were asking harry what formation they were playing during the game cos they had no idea

MidwestWool · « **Reply #473 on:** April 9, 2012, 07:41:18 pm »

Quote from: isildurrr on April 9, 2012, 06:48:28 pm

No it's hilarious that they were apparently an outside shot for the title but now they may not even hold on to fourth.im laughing more at the people who hyped them up.capiche?

Not when we expected to get to 4th easily, especially after the investment in the summer.

Juan Loco · « **Reply #474 on:** April 9, 2012, 07:46:13 pm »

Quote from: Cusamano on April 9, 2012, 06:40:08 pm

Ive come to realise something.

Spurs will always be Spurs.

No matter how good their team is they will be destined to fuck things up forever.

Exactly!

This is exactly why I don't stress about Newcastle.

If they finish 4th you know what will happen? They'll bomb in the qualifiers. It's in their DNA.

Spurs, Newcastle, Villa, Everton - they've all got failure at their core. It's what they do better than anything. Some seasons they like to die on their arse at the outset, others they go for the triple pike failure off the highboard - but they fail either way. It's what they are. It's their nature.

SRAWL · « **Reply #475 on:** April 9, 2012, 07:51:14 pm »

Quote from: LiverLuke on April 9, 2012, 07:36:18 pm

gf was at the game today she said it was a shambles and that the players were asking harry what formation they were playing during the game cos they had no idea

Sounds like us (apart from the asking Harry part)

bottleandahalf · « **Reply #476 on:** April 9, 2012, 07:52:11 pm »

Quote from: SRAWL on April 9, 2012, 07:51:14 pm

Sounds like us (apart from the asking Harry part)

El_Pistolero · « **Reply #477 on:** April 9, 2012, 07:54:31 pm »

Quote from: bottleandahalf on April 9, 2012, 07:35:51 pm

Them and twitchy have got it very easy from sly - thus far. 6 points from 24!

Fucking hell, that's not far off our dizzying heights is it? Good thing they were in a position to be able to drop so many points, how I'd love to still be in with a shot at 4th right now.

JP-65 · « **Reply #478 on:** April 9, 2012, 07:59:15 pm »

Quote from: El_Pistolero on April 9, 2012, 07:54:31 pm

Fucking hell, that's not far off our dizzying heights is it? Good thing they were in a position to be able to drop so many points, how I'd love to still be in with a shot at 4th right now.

http://bit.ly/HTa9BI

rowan_d · « **Reply #479 on:** April 9, 2012, 07:59:32 pm »

Quote from: Juan Loco on April 9, 2012, 07:46:13 pm

Exactly!

This is exactly why I don't stress about Newcastle.

If they finish 4th you know what will happen? They'll bomb in the qualifiers. It's in their DNA.

Spurs, Newcastle, Villa, Everton - they've all got failure at their core. It's what they do better than anything. Some seasons they like to die on their arse at the outset, others they go for the triple pike failure off the highboard - but they fail either way. It's what they are. It's their nature.

You missed City out