Topic: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)

[Jay797]

It's obvious that the media are clubbing together.

I have never bought the 'Conspiracy' theories. There is no global evil conspiracy with 'Cigarette Smoking Men' shuffling around, secret meetings and money changing hands. The idea of that is ludicrous.

However you do have a man that has been in a top position in football for over two decades who holds immense influence and power within the game. Additionally he is a Knight of the Realm which adds to his power within the game. You just have to see his regular 'Mind games' whenever his feather get ruffled and you have to see the corresponding actions by various media outlets when he wants to get his point across. It is obvious that many in the FA are shit scared of him and it is equally obvious given the abuse they get that many officials in the game have to be very, very sure to give a decision against his side in error - lest they be hung out to dry by him and his cronies in the media.

This whole campaign started in a usual fashion for this man against the Club which he detests. And then he's gone on to have his usual go's. He's picked on individual players before for 'the way they act on the pitch' - usually some act that one or more of his players regularly perform themselves without a mention in the media he holds such sway in. A casual think about 'diving' for instance and 'serial diving' in particular would easily bring about memories of Nistelrooy, Beckham, Scholes, Ronaldo, Rooney, Nani, Young and the list goes on.

There is no conspiracy. Just a fucking bitter twat that hated Liverpool FC from the off. Stated it clearly and obviously and then has done year in year out since he's been in the job.

I was quite surprised his comments regarding the fans cutting out the shite and being more at one. I viewed it with some trepidation. Usually, in the past, whenever he has come out with a comment like this, somethnig obvious he'd engineered with his chums down the media offices was about to pass. Look at previous instances with 'threats' like Wenger, Benitez, Mourinho and others that 'got too close for comfort' to his all encompassing 'greatness'. So I wondered what he was up to - in the same way whenever he says something actually decent to the press for a change he's always up to something.

And then this news broke. All throughout he gave press conferences effectively planting the idea that Liverpool FC should accept their medicine and should NOT say anything about it. This has since been echoed in the media from all sides and all quarters. He gave press conferences commenting on this case and the situation and then ironically during these 'chats' with his mates from the media he kept saying that he was saying nothing about what was going on (While talking about what was going on) - classic doublespeak from the man that is the master of the subject. Now he comes out and says he thinks the punishment was 'correct' (Wrecking a mans career and forcing him in a fury of bile and hatred from the English League). If anyone has read 1984 by George Orwell then the way Ferguson double speaks about many subjects, lies about others and then unexpectedly tells the truth randomly to throw people off - he'd make a fine villain.

The sad thing is that he's just as transparent today as he was 25 years ago when he was spitting venom against LFC. He really fucking hates us. I'm not sure why? He has said many times that he 'respects' the Liverpool FC fans (While having a go at Manchester United fans regularly). I think he is upset that even with everything he's won and everything he's done in the sport, so many Liverpool fans just see him for what he is - a backstabbing, cowardly toad of a man that says whatever he can to derail opponents and get them on-side to his advantage. And that sums him up - anything he can do at any time within and without the game to give his side an advantage over the rest. There is nothing he wouldn't sink to and there is nothing he wouldn't say.

But it's not just Liverpool fans that hate his guts. Go to lower level league games right down to the conference and they can't stand the man. He's a despicable excuse for a human being. He's your typical bullying snitch at school. He'd get your dinner money, but if someone stood up to him - he'd be off to the teacher to whine like a girl and 'get them into trouble'.

But his pet FA, the media and indeed himself are surprised by the ferocity of Liverpool FCs defence. Even their latest idea of branding every single Liverpool fan that defends Suarez as a racist is funny in it's own right. Is a lack of justice and what is right suddenly something that Liverpool fans or other fans shouldn't insist on? Has the FA been 'fair' are the media 'right'. The whole explosive and embarrasing outburst from the media tells its own tale. They are desperately trying to convince the world that Liverpool fans are Evil (But let's face it these fuckers have been doing that for decades now. They fucking hate the City and have been doing it down for decades and they hate the people in the City - just look at the bigoted twats all over the country and their shithouse views).

There is no conspiracy. There is no tinfoil hats required. Just a bitter old man with too much influence in a sport and too many cowards willing and ready to do his bidding. A word here, a pat on the head there, a shake of the hand and a smile there. That's all you need when you've been there longer than anyone else at the top of any sport.

Top post that, matey, top post!!

[Pistolero]

I usually enhjoy his stuff Andy, but to be honest your Ferguson post puts him to shame...cracker that

[John C]

"Who knows what Suarez has been told about language and racism since he arrived in the UK? Let´s assume that he at least meant to patronize Evra, but perhaps in this case that is closer to shouting ¨see you later fat lad¨ after nut-megging a rotund member of the opposition- than it is hardcore racial abuse. All I would ask is that he not be judged by a British understanding of the words involved. There are many very insulting Spanish words, but negrito is very far from being one of them and without understanding the context of the word in Latin America one can´t judge Suarez (or my amiguita negrita de Medellin) on racism".
http://www.sabotagetimes.com/football-sport/a-south-american-liverpool-fan-on-what-negrito-really-means/


I know its not a credible source but it adds to the research the FA should have done and concluded education rather than harsh punishment is needed to a person who hasn't even been accused of being a racist.

[CognacBut]

As the saying goes, it is at times like this you really find out who your friends are.

Can safely say we really do not have many of them in the press, but who's surprised by that?

[Dr Manhattan]

Disappointed in Brian Reade there, to be honest.

[It's Jimmy Corkhill]

Fuck them.

If they're not with us on this, they're against us. Close ranks and fuck them off, anyone who upsets us or talks shit.

[Fruity]

A suprisingly shit article by Brian Reade that...

Its not shit really but it doesn't help us. Whilst I dont agree with Suarez's 8 game ban but if reade is suggesting he used the word negro than he was always going to be banned.

Playing devils advocate we can't assume if that was the word used or even negrito that evra wouldn't find it offensive just because its a word used in a different way in Uraguay.

The whole problem with this case is not so much the ban, but the length of time and the vagueness. I don't believe Suarez is racist but it still doesn't mean cultural differences can't cause offence. But like I said the FA should have taken this into account within the wording of their verdict and the length of time.

We can only assume by their hard stance regardless of what the police do, that john terry will serve an even longer ban.

[stjohn65]

et tu, Reade? as someone said earlier, this is where you find out who your friends are - honestly thought this one journo would have enough about him to see which way the storm is blowing and have the balls to stand up and be counted.

[No666]

And he has his facts wrong.

Luis cannot 'appeal to clear his name', if he appeals, it means  that he's accepting the finding that he racially abused Evra (and not doubt be branded a racist forever) but arguing that the sentence was too severe.

The issues and consequencial damage to both Luis and LFC are too great, too important, to allow a mickey mouse Appeal Tribunal to deal with it.

The sooner this matter is escalated to a proper Court, before a senior Judge, the better.

Bearing in mind  the furore caused worldwide, it is certainly warranted.   

This is key, mate. On what grounds do we take it out of their process and into the civil courts, though? The insertion of the 'we don't think Suarez is racist and neither does Evra' qualifier was a transparent attempt to forestall a defamation suit. If Suarez can't appeal the verdict with the FA, it is not an appeal. There is no proper appeal process. How do you effectively circumvent this to engineer yourself an appeal to a court which does not have an agenda?

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Its not shit really but it doesn't help us. Whilst I dont agree with Suarez's 8 game ban but if reade is suggesting he used the word negro than he was always going to be banned.

Playing devils advocate we can't assume if that was the word used or even negrito that evra wouldn't find it offensive just because its a word used in a different way in Uraguay.

The whole problem with this case is not so much the ban, but the length of time and the vagueness. I don't believe Suarez is racist but it still doesn't mean cultural differences can't cause offence. But like I said the FA should have taken this into account within the wording of their verdict and the length of time.

We can only assume by their hard stance regardless of what the police do, that john terry will serve an even longer ban.

Negro in Uruguay has no racial connotations. You can't have a conversation in Spanish and then translate it to English to suit yourself when the whole conversation was initiated and completed in Spanish.

The English again are showing their Xenophobia. I'm surprised that none of the papers have suggested we invade Uruguay so our 'Brave lads' can show them the fucking error of their ways, kick the shit out of them and steal their land.

I also get the feeling that because the Argentinians are supporting Uruguay in this, the little Xenophobic Englanders are getting points scored that way as well.

Their photo with 'Negro' on it is an uncomfortable reminder to the English media and FA that they've got it so, so wrong.

The anger shown in Spain, South America and the absolute incandescent fury shown by the Uruguan Embassy shows that the FA and media have got it so, so wrong.

But it's typical English for you. If they can't understand? SHOUT ENGLISH LOUDER!!! SHOUT ENGLISH SLOWER!!!

"Then those 'Johnny Foreigner' bastards will understand - why can't they fucking speak English Eh?"

The English at times absolutely fucking disgust me. I'm embarrased at times that my entire family have fought and many have died for these idiots.

[Lord Roger Hunt]

This is key, mate. On what grounds do we take it out of their process and into the civil courts, though? The insertion of the 'we don't think Suarez is racist and neither does Evra' qualifier was a transparent attempt to forestall a defamation suit. If Suarez can't appeal the verdict with the FA, it is not an appeal. There is no proper appeal process. How do you effectively circumvent this to engineer yourself an appeal to a court which does not have an agenda?

I think the whole issue could be swept before the High Court if Luis instigated proceedings for libel  against the Daily Mirror for their 'Racist' headline.

The Mirror's defence would be the FA's written judgement, which would then be scrutinised, with the FA and the Mirror at each other's throats, resulting in Luis being cleared publically of being a racist.

After that, subject to what came out from the proceedings, I suspect (but not sure) that LFC could sue the FA for damages for the way they handled the whole process.

But the first step would be Luis suing the Mirror (and others)....

[Jay797]

Negro in Uruguay has no racial connotations. You can't have a conversation in Spanish and then translate it to English to suit yourself when the whole conversation was initiated and completed in Spanish.

The English again are showing their Xenophobia. I'm surprised that none of the papers have suggested we invade Uruguay so our 'Brave lads' can show them the fucking error of their ways, kick the shit out of them and steal their land.

I also get the feeling that because the Argentinians are supporting Uruguay in this, the little Xenophobic Englanders are getting points scored that way as well.

Their photo with 'Negro' on it is an uncomfortable reminder to the English media and FA that they've got it so, so wrong.

The anger shown in Spain, South America and the absolute incandescent fury shown by the Uruguan Embassy shows that the FA and media have got it so, so wrong.

But it's typical English for you. If they can't understand? SHOUT ENGLISH LOUDER!!! SHOUT ENGLISH SLOWER!!!

"Then those 'Johnny Foreigner' bastards will understand - why can't they fucking speak English Eh?"

The English at times absolutely fucking disgust me. I'm embarrased at times that my entire family have fought and many have died for these idiots.

Another good post there matey & so so very true. I quite enjoy reading your posts.

[Bouncer]

Sums him up for me. I've never liked him. I know he's "A season ticket holder" and blah blah blah. And he's done some good pieces on the club in the past, but you can't work for a disgraceful organisation like the Mirror without playing their tune and being held in their sway. Like Maddock I personally wouldn't have him down as a reporter I'd ever want to read.

Kin ell ... that is such a disappointing response from Brian Reade ... basically bend over and accept that Luis has been tarred as a racist with no mention of the scandalous back page of his rag crucifying Suarez and ignoring Septic Evra's role in all this and his instigation of the entire row by using the word 'South American' (did he fuck) as the skanky press are reporting, rather than a much more likely perjorative - the new word of the week.

If this report and evidence are so clandestine how is it suddenly the word Negrito has now been relegated and replaced with negro (note the lower upper cases please ... one is a noun the other an adjective).

Pity Luis wasnt granted with some sort of sub judice protection like brave John Terry before the FA, the PFA and the IRC fucked off for a merry christmas leaving Luis to have this epic fuck up dumped at his door.

The good will out, it always does ... eventually.

Luis Suarex is not a racist ... why dont you feel inclined to print that as a headline ... because you are a paid journalist lke the rest of them and at the end of the day an employee who toes the line and does as hes told ... the disgusting circus and antics around Giggs and Rooney this year  are quickly forgotten, retired or worse - seeing laws perverted and prostituted to suit the FA's and Slurgosons ends ... reprehensible individuals who are 1000 times worse than Suarez yet hailed and lauded as heroes and role models for the premier league ...and then theres brave John Terry ... ffs ... As I said earlier in this 200 pager ... the European League is a definite option looking into the future.

[Jay797]

I think the whole issue could be swept before the High Court if Luis instigated proceedings for libel  against the Daily Mirror for their 'Racist' headline.

The Mirror's defence would be the FA's written judgement, which would then be scrutinised, with the FA and the Mirror at each other's throats, resulting in Luis being cleared publically of being a racist.

After that, subject to what came out from the proceedings, I suspect (but not sure) that LFC could sue the FA for damages for the way they handled the whole process.

But the first step would be Luis suing the Mirror (and others)....

A very good point. So the Mirror's shit headline could be used for us?

[Bouncer]

Brian Reade

"The scale of Suarez's punishment may seem unduly large but Liverpool FC, football and how we treat fellow human beings, is bigger than it"

... unless its a red number 7 so it seems!

[smicer07]

Brian Reade

"The scale of Suarez's punishment may seem unduly large but Liverpool FC, football and how we treat fellow human beings, is bigger than it"

... unless its a red number 7 so it seems!

Luis isn't a human being in their eyes. He's a dirty foreigner.

[Zeb]

Just the "I'm happy with the way I run my club" comment mate. The subtext (re the t-shirts and statement) being that Kenny ought not to be. The barbs are there IMO, but it's just my own view.

Kenny will have him if it escalates into more rareified territory. He has the sharper intellect.

Anyway, not sure re the club - all I suspect is that those who have always stuck up for Maddock are hard pressed to do so now. It was that disgusting.

Fair enough Roy. See where you're coming from with that bit even if not a believer (and then I saw her face...) on something deliberate underlying the case. Probably imbibed too much Winter at some point about the relationship away from the pitch.

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Jagged Princess - The written reasons will make for interesting reading won't they? Evra's interview with Canal + is something I'd like to see too but haven't been able to find it over the past few months. Club's gone in hard with the statement so you'd hope they've got every aspect of it watertight. Seems daft to infer too much about stuff without seeing what was presented. It will surely undermine the FA's grand gesture if they then go and charge Evra with one or both of the same offences? Lot of people gone off on all sorts of tangents on this one, but right now the only facts about the case in the public domain are those provided by the FA and the club and the odd on-the-record comment made by Ferguson.

On Ferguson, just wanted to understand what Roy meant a little more clearly really. Ferguson's a sly one for tossing around grenades and then following them up with a wink and a nudge but this case, to me, doesn't seem to be one of those times.

[Davvo7]

I emailed Amy Lawrence at the Guardian after the "Never-say-die John Terry ignores brickbats and does what he does best" article. I simply asked, "You were being ironic weren't you? Seriously?"

She replied today,

"I don't write the headlines! What John Terry does best is, I suppose very much open to interpretation...

Amy"

I agree with Andy above, if that article was written as a tribute, and then you see the shite being written about Luis............. Shakes my head.

[Lord Roger Hunt]

A very good point. So the Mirror's shit headline could be used for us?

I think the Mirror are in deep do do, particularly as the FA state in writing that Luis isn't racist but the Mirror will have to argue that the 'common mans' interpretation of their written judgement could only be that Luis was a racist.

The Mirror's whole defence will have to be an attack the FA's written judgement, which plays right into Luis's hands, as the FA and the Mirror will be at each others throats. Each word will be scrutinised, along with the FA panel's reasoning - a can of worms for the FA.

Game shot to Luis will be when he's cleared of being a racist after a high profile case in the High Court ... then LFC will pile in with their writs. 

[montanaaa]

Embarrassing, gone through this thread, I'm disgusted with what iv read. We are defending Luis as though we know exactly what went through his head that day. If that was say Vidic who said something racial to Glen Johnson in his native language i have NO doubt we would not be defending Vidic. We cant defend someone simply on the basis he plays for Liverpool football club. He is not being accused of being a racist, that is not the issue here, why Luis felt he needed to use that word? I do not know, it was certainly inappropriate, especially since the situation was heated.

[uwinsa]

Its not shit really but it doesn't help us. Whilst I dont agree with Suarez's 8 game ban but if reade is suggesting he used the word negro than he was always going to be banned.

Playing devils advocate we can't assume if that was the word used or even negrito that evra wouldn't find it offensive just because its a word used in a different way in Uraguay.

The whole problem with this case is not so much the ban, but the length of time and the vagueness. I don't believe Suarez is racist but it still doesn't mean cultural differences can't cause offence. But like I said the FA should have taken this into account within the wording of their verdict and the length of time.

We can only assume by their hard stance regardless of what the police do, that john terry will serve an even longer ban.

Agree with all of that, really important that we find out exactly what the word used was, apart from second paragraph if its true that Henandez calls evra negrito as a nickname then evra cant be offended when other people use it inocently

[smicer07]

Embarrassing, gone through this thread, I'm disgusted with what iv read. We are defending Luis as though we know exactly what went through his head that day. If that was say Vidic who said something racial to Glen Johnson in his native language i have NO doubt we would not be defending Vidic. We cant defend someone simply on the basis he plays for Liverpool football club. He is not being accused of being a racist, that is not the issue here, why Luis felt he needed to use that word? I do not know, it was certainly inappropriate, especially since the situation was heated.

You've just contradicted yourself in one post. Well done.

"We are defending Luis as though we know exactly what went through his head that day"
"why Luis felt he needed to use that word?" "It was certainly inappropriate".

[redrockydennis]

Embarrassing, gone through this thread, I'm disgusted with what iv read. We are defending Luis as though we know exactly what went through his head that day. If that was say Vidic who said something racial to Glen Johnson in his native language i have NO doubt we would not be defending Vidic. We cant defend someone simply on the basis he plays for Liverpool football club. He is not being accused of being a racist, that is not the issue here, why Luis felt he needed to use that word? I do not know, it was certainly inappropriate, especially since the situation was heated.

Bet you havent read though this whole thread

[GIPPO77]

The more I read about this the more I think it's actually the FA who are being racist.

[montanaaa]

Bet you havent read though this whole thread

bet i have 

[BCCC]

Can't see a problem with Brian Reade's article myself, just stating a few points as he sees them. A few mates share his views that the club may suffer some long term damage which it could. Personally I'm hanging on to the hope that the club is privy to information on the decision.

I'm pretty much convinced that Luis is no racist and to that end its important we give him our support but let's not vilify people for considering the implications of our actions.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Embarrassing, gone through this thread, I'm disgusted with what iv read. We are defending Luis as though we know exactly what went through his head that day. If that was say Vidic who said something racial to Glen Johnson in his native language i have NO doubt we would not be defending Vidic. We cant defend someone simply on the basis he plays for Liverpool football club. He is not being accused of being a racist, that is not the issue here, why Luis felt he needed to use that word? I do not know, it was certainly inappropriate, especially since the situation was heated.

He used 'that word' because it holds no racial connotations in his native tongue. He used 'that word' because he was speaking in his native tongue to another individual who had chosen to speak to him in that tongue.

It is up to YOU to prove that what he said was "Inappropriate". I suggest you do it right here and now as well.

Tell me, in Uruguay what the meanings of "Negro" and "Negrito" mean?

I'm assuming for you to have reached this 'judgement' that you've read up on all of this (I know I have, including speaking to my mum who is entirely fluent in Spanish and speaking to friends that hail from South America).


So. Come out with it - why was a Spanish speaking person, speaking Spanish and coming out with a word in a Spanish conversation, initiated by another Spanish speaker using 'inappropriate language"?

[colden]

Negro in Uruguay has no racial connotations. You can't have a conversation in Spanish and then translate it to English to suit yourself when the whole conversation was initiated and completed in Spanish.

This is really the main point. If Suarez is being punished for the FA's interpretation of Negrito (or whatever word he said, if any!), which was used in a conversation in Spanish, then so should Evra for the word he admitted to saying. To reach any conclusion, other than the same treatment for both players, would amount to discrimination.

[Kite]

What riles me so much during this whole media backlash, is the complete and utter disregard for Uruguan culture, like the very fact they use Negro and Negrito in their daily lives, without any racist connotation makes them more backwards and less progressive than the British.

This is some of the most sanctimonious horse shit I've ever heard in my life.  And the complete opposite is true, they talk about setting examples, and progressing as a nation when we're the idiots moving backwards over this whole saga. 

The whole of South America are backward Racists, and the FA will teach them a lesson.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Oh and Montanaa is probably the same person on Red Cafe with exactly the same photo. He mentioned a while back that he had a 'sleeper account' he had set up recently (He was registered in June this year).

[KiNki]

And he has his facts wrong.

Luis cannot 'appeal to clear his name', if he appeals, it means  that he's accepting the finding that he racially abused Evra (and not doubt be branded a racist forever) but arguing that the sentence was too severe.

The issues and consequencial damage to both Luis and LFC are too great, too important, to allow a mickey mouse Appeal Tribunal to deal with it.

The sooner this matter is escalated to a proper Court, before a senior Judge, the better.

Bearing in mind  the furore caused worldwide, it is certainly warranted.   

spot on. 

[redrockydennis]

Oh and Montanaa is probably the same person on Red Cafe with exactly the same photo. He mentioned a while back that he had a 'sleeper account' he had set up recently (He was registered in June this year).

Silly mancs must try harder. D-

[Pistolero]

Brian Reade

"The scale of Suarez's punishment may seem unduly large but Liverpool FC, football and how we treat fellow human beings, is bigger than it"

... unless its a red number 7 so it seems!

exactly... the hypocricy that runs through this entire clusterfuck is unbelievable

[Bouncer]

Have a look again at this article below completely under reported  and buried in the Suarez fiasco on how the people who "run" our game flout the law at every opportunity on the most outrageous technicality... and we defer judgement to these reprobates. Makes me fucking chunder ... Oh Brian did you miss this one? Not dissimiliar to Ferguson using the scuts as an excuse to get off an offence a while back.  Oh Brian, did you notice the recent picture in the Daily Fail of brave John Terry sitting with a little black baby yesterday in Hamleys ... makes you wonder eh.... he simply must clear his name, thats the party line right now isnt it ... why dont they invest a little more effort into properly investigating our disgust at all this rather than insinuating us as racists by association, defence and stupidity. You could have done, but you didnt ... you are looking the other way ... Thanks!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-16292670

Footballers' trade union boss Gordon Taylor has been cleared of failing to provide police details after two alleged speeding offences.

The chief executive of the Professional Footballers' Association (PFA) did not attend Manchester Magistrates Court.

His lawyer Nick Freeman argued "typographical" errors on police papers meant Mr Taylor had to be cleared.

The court heard a PFA registered Jaguar car was twice caught driving faster than the 30mph limit in Lancashire.

'Wrong address'
 
The car, registered to the PFA offices in Manchester, was caught by a speed camera doing 36mph on 25 November 2010, and then caught travelling at 43mph on 11 December 2010, both at Osbaldeston, near Blackburn in Lancashire.

Continue reading the main story
“
Start Quote
The criminal justice system is not a game, you are here to acquit the innocent and convict the guilty”
End Quote
Bernard Begley
 
Prosecutor
 But Mr Freeman, the celebrity lawyer known as "Mr Loophole", argued that when the Lancashire Police speed ticket office issued letters asking for the driver's details they made a series of errors.

He said the Jaguar car was registered to the PFA at its offices at 20 Oxford Court in Manchester but the Notice of Intended Prosecution letter, and a reminder, were both sent to number 30 - which does not exist.

The lawyer, known for getting acquittals for celebrity clients in seemingly water-tight court cases, said further letters were then sent directly to Mr Taylor, naming him as the registered keeper directly.

Bernard Begley, prosecuting, said "further enquiries" led the letter to be directed to Mr Taylor but this evidence was deemed to have been submitted too late under legal rules.

Mr Begley asked the bench to adjourn the matter to another date for enquiries to be made or witnesses to be brought to court.

'Inconvenience and expense'
 
He said: "The criminal justice system is not a game, you are here to acquit the innocent and convict the guilty."

But Mr Freeman said it was the fault of the Crown Prosecution Service and the defence should not "suffer inconvenience and expense" of adjournment to "plug the holes" in the prosecution case.

The prosecution application was refused.

Mr Freeman also said letters about the second alleged speeding offence were sent incorrectly to the "Players" Footballers Association - not the Professional Footballers' Association.

He added: "In each case there has not been a properly addressed letter sent out to Mr Gordon Taylor and you need to be sure that there was before you can convict. He should be acquitted."

Mr Freeman, whose office is in the same street in central Manchester as the PFA, asked for, and was granted, undisclosed costs to pay for the defence case out of taxpayer funds

[Lenin.]

Oh and Montanaa is probably the same person on Red Cafe with exactly the same photo. He mentioned a while back that he had a 'sleeper account' he had set up recently (He was registered in June this year).

I've said all along he's a manc andy. Smelt him from his first post. Shittest undercover wums ever, our redcafe chums.

[Bouncer]

bet i have 

Do one gobshite !

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I've said all along he's a manc andy. Smelt him from his first post. Shittest undercover wums ever, our redcafe chums.

I think his name on there is King Cantona or something?

[Pistolero]

Have a look again at this article below completely under reported  and buried in the Suarez fiasco on how the people who "run" our game flout the law at every opportunity on the most outrageous technicality... and we defer judgement to these reprobates. Makes me fucking chunder ... Oh Brian did you miss this one? Not dissimiliar to Ferguson using the scuts as an excuse to get off an offence a while back.  Oh Brian, did you notice the recent picture in the Daily Fail of brave John Terry sitting with a little black baby yesterday in Hamleys ... makes you wonder eh.... he simply must clear his name, thats the party line right now isnt it ... why dont they invest a little more effort into properly investigating our disgust at all this rather than insinuating us as racists by association, defence and stupidity. You could have done, but you didnt ... you are looking the other way ... Thanks!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-16292670

Footballers' trade union boss Gordon Taylor has been cleared of failing to provide police details after two alleged speeding offences.

The chief executive of the Professional Footballers' Association (PFA) did not attend Manchester Magistrates Court.

His lawyer Nick Freeman argued "typographical" errors on police papers meant Mr Taylor had to be cleared.

The court heard a PFA registered Jaguar car was twice caught driving faster than the 30mph limit in Lancashire.

'Wrong address'
 
The car, registered to the PFA offices in Manchester, was caught by a speed camera doing 36mph on 25 November 2010, and then caught travelling at 43mph on 11 December 2010, both at Osbaldeston, near Blackburn in Lancashire.

Continue reading the main story
“
Start Quote
The criminal justice system is not a game, you are here to acquit the innocent and convict the guilty”
End Quote
Bernard Begley
 
Prosecutor
 But Mr Freeman, the celebrity lawyer known as "Mr Loophole", argued that when the Lancashire Police speed ticket office issued letters asking for the driver's details they made a series of errors.

He said the Jaguar car was registered to the PFA at its offices at 20 Oxford Court in Manchester but the Notice of Intended Prosecution letter, and a reminder, were both sent to number 30 - which does not exist.

The lawyer, known for getting acquittals for celebrity clients in seemingly water-tight court cases, said further letters were then sent directly to Mr Taylor, naming him as the registered keeper directly.

Bernard Begley, prosecuting, said "further enquiries" led the letter to be directed to Mr Taylor but this evidence was deemed to have been submitted too late under legal rules.

Mr Begley asked the bench to adjourn the matter to another date for enquiries to be made or witnesses to be brought to court.

'Inconvenience and expense'
 
He said: "The criminal justice system is not a game, you are here to acquit the innocent and convict the guilty."

But Mr Freeman said it was the fault of the Crown Prosecution Service and the defence should not "suffer inconvenience and expense" of adjournment to "plug the holes" in the prosecution case.

The prosecution application was refused.

Mr Freeman also said letters about the second alleged speeding offence were sent incorrectly to the "Players" Footballers Association - not the Professional Footballers' Association.

He added: "In each case there has not been a properly addressed letter sent out to Mr Gordon Taylor and you need to be sure that there was before you can convict. He should be acquitted."

Mr Freeman, whose office is in the same street in central Manchester as the PFA, asked for, and was granted, undisclosed costs to pay for the defence case out of taxpayer funds

great find that mate...understandable now why the twat waded in so vociferously into the Suarez debate...smoke and mirrors isnt in it

[Theoldkopite]

The Guardian today also has an article in which Adebayor and Ledley King praise Terry for his 'strength of character after he excelled in Thursday's draw'. Will Paul McGrath be having a go at the two of them today then?

[Andy @ Allerton!]

The Guardian today also has an article in which Adebayor and Ledley King praise Terry for his 'strength of character after he excelled in Thursday's draw'. Will Paul McGrath be having a go at the two of them today then?

And yet you still get Liverpool fans reading the Guardian and the Mirror and the Star and the S*n. That's the most astonishing thing for me. I wonder where peoples heads are at sometimes.