Topic: Kanye West

[Sir Capon of Debaser]

  @J73

Ya daft apeth! you could've spent that time listening to some proper music

[litliper]

Uh oh...the hip hop police is here.

[Johnnyboy1973]

@J73

Ya daft apeth! you could've spent that time listening to some proper music

To be fair. I've never know the movement to be so dead/banal/bland as it currently is.

[Mikuss]

Uh oh...the hip hop police is here.

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[Eileen]

  Who cares whether it's real hip hop or a mainstream mix between pop/hip hop/electro (or whatever the fuck). It is what it is.
Fucking hate it when people try to push music in one genre and if it doesn't fit then it commercial shite and of course they're too good to listen to anything like that.
Please save our poor mainstream souls with your majestic music. We have no idea about 'real' music.

[Myshkin]

Who cares whether it's real hip hop or a mainstream mix between pop/hip hop/electro (or whatever the fuck). It is what it is.
Fucking hate it when people try to push music in one genre and if it doesn't fit then it commercial shite and of course they're too good to listen to anything like that.
Please save our poor mainstream souls with your majestic music. We have no idea about 'real' music.

Completely agree with that.

Anyone seen the album credits? So many huge artists on it. Rihanna sings most of 'All Of The Lights' and isn't even featured, I think I can hear Fergie and Alicia Keys in it too. Elton John and other musicians contributed to the album too.

Won't listen to him on principle.

I think he's a racist.

Just my views, not the views of RAWK. 

I read a lot of people saying similar things but I'm not sure where they get it from, unless I've missed stuff he's said/done in the past. Could you elaborate on it for me?

[woz92]

Who cares whether it's real hip hop or a mainstream mix between pop/hip hop/electro (or whatever the fuck). It is what it is.
Fucking hate it when people try to push music in one genre and if it doesn't fit then it commercial shite and of course they're too good to listen to anything like that.
Please save our poor mainstream souls with your majestic music. We have no idea about 'real' music.

Agree!!!!!!!! Theres a reason why music becomes mainstream.......becuase people like it and they think its good!!! But the HipHop Police of RAWK will have none of that because Kanye's not 'cool' anymore... If this was his debut album and no one had heard of him, everyone would be wanking over it by now...

[Sir Capon of Debaser]

Its got fuck all to do with hip hop FFS!! shit is shit,whatever genre

[CallumLFC]

Hate his shit music. First album was good but to this day i will never forget the day i listened to his second album. Sat on my PC for an hour, enduring his crap track after track. Most painful hour ive sat listening to an album. Some revolutionised jazz and blues crap that was probably fitting for my granddad to listen to.

Have never listened to another album of his since. All of his singles have been shit too since Jesus Walks and Through the Wire.

[Eileen]

Its got fuck all to do with hip hop FFS!! shit is shit,whatever genre

But it's not shit. I don't think it is anyway, I like the lyrics and the beat. And it's his vision, very creative, not the usual I'm a pimp and you a ho- kind of stuff.

[Sir Capon of Debaser]

But it's not shit. I don't think it is anyway, I like the lyrics and the beat. And it's his vision, very creative, not the usual I'm a pimp and you a ho- kind of stuff.

You obviously dont listen to a lot of it then

Like i said,fuck all to do with hip hop.....And as for creative,dont make me laugh!!

[Agger]

Rihanna, John Legend, Beyoncé, Kid Cudi, Jay-Z, Chris Rock, Swizz Beats...

Mr West got some decent guest artists in a great album.

[Mr Dilkington]

Great Album, a return to form for Kanye.

[Eileen]

You obviously dont listen to a lot of it then

On the College Dropout there's only 2 songs that may qualify as a pimp and ho- song.
On Graduation again, only 2.
And in 808 maybe the Robocop song, but not really.
I think you could go hours discussing what is creative and what isn't and for me his new album is really creative. I like it a lot and the more I listen to it, the more I like it.
I don't care whether it's real hiphop or not, I enjoy it.

[Mr Dilkington]

On the College Dropout there's only 2 songs that may qualify as a pimp and ho- song.
On Graduation again, only 2.
And in 808 maybe the Robocop song, but not really.
I think you could go hours discussing what is creative and what isn't and for me his new album is really creative. I like it a lot and the more I listen to it, the more I like it.
I don't care whether it's real hiphop or not, I enjoy it.

[Sir Capon of Debaser]

On the College Dropout there's only 2 songs that may qualify as a pimp and ho- song.
On Graduation again, only 2.
And in 808 maybe the Robocop song, but not really.
I think you could go hours discussing what is creative and what isn't and for me his new album is really creative. I like it a lot and the more I listen to it, the more I like it.
I don't care whether it's real hiphop or not, I enjoy it.

Stop going on about hip hop!! im not saying its shit,cos im some sort of hip hop snob.im saying its shit because its shit.

[Eileen]

Stop going on about hip hop!! im not saying its shit,cos im some sort of hip hop snob.im saying its shit because its shit.

Ok and I'm saying it's not shite because of the reasons I gave in the thread. I only brought up the tracks because when I said it wasn't some typical shit, you said it was.

[Sir Capon of Debaser]

Ok and I'm saying it's not shite because of the reasons I gave in the thread. I only brought up the tracks because when I said it wasn't some typical shit, you said it was.

I never said it was,you said it wasnt the normal type pimp n ho stuff.to which i replied you obviously dont listen to a lot then - meaning not all hip hop is pimp n ho type rubbish

[Lent§]

I never said it was,you said it wasnt the normal type pimp n ho stuff.to which i replied you obviously dont listen to a lot then - meaning not all hip hop is pimp n ho type rubbish

Real hip hop is definitely not the 50 cent type pimps n ho's shit.

[Eileen]

I never said it was,you said it wasnt the normal type pimp n ho stuff.to which i replied you obviously dont listen to a lot then - meaning not all hip hop is pimp n ho type rubbish

Oh misunderstood sorry, what I meant was that it's different from the commercial stuff. Which usually is about pimps and hos. Not from hip hop in general.

[Rusty Oysterburger]

im not saying its shit,cos im some sort of hip hop snob.im saying its shit because its shit.

I thought you haven't listened to the new album yet?

[nicholasanthony]

Surely this is irony, if not..........

I was calling Capon a lyrical genius. 

[amir87]

Surely this is irony, if not..........

I was calling Capon a lyrical genius. 

Yo KerryKop and Nicholasanthony I'm real happy for you and Imma let you finish, but Capon Debaser and Eileen's argument on Kanye is the greatest of all time!

[Buzz Killington]

Yo KerryKop and Nicholasanthony I'm real happy for you and Imma let you finish, but Capon Debaser and Eileen's argument on Kanye is the greatest of all time!

[Mikuss]

Everyones writing down their thoughts on the album as if they're based on fact. Everyone should just agree to disagree and get on with it.
It IS a top album though

[Phil M]

Everyones writing down their thoughts on the album as if they're based on fact. Everyone should just agree to disagree and get on with it.
It IS a top album though

It's just like watching youtube.

[JovaJova]

I stupidly fell for the hype and so far at most it is an average pop album. The good parts are usually the parts not involving Kanye.

How indulgent do you have to be to stick two 8 minute tracks in the middle of an album ?

The only song I like so far after four run throughs of the whole album is this

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I'll give it another few listens out of respect for the volume of good reviews but I am fairly certain it won't make a difference

[Myshkin]

How indulgent do you have to be to stick two 8 minute tracks in the middle of an album ?

The album is all about himself, so of course it's going to be indulgent. Everything good and bad about Kanye is on the album which is part of what makes it so great to me.

I liked the 35 minute video of his too.

[Ecuared]

I've listened to the album twice now, and it's really good, but I wouldn't say a classic. I just don't think he's a very good rapper, and his flow is too repetitive to carry an album. Also I find it overproduced, but that's admittedly a personal thing so I can't hold it against him as the production is good.

Again, I just wish he was a more skilled rapper, because when he's for it he's a really good artist.

[Phil M]

I think it's boss.

[JM10]

He's clearly not the best rapper ever, nowhere near in fact. But to say that this album isn't at worst hugely creative and imaginative is mental. Personally I love it. He is a bona-fide superstar IMO, he has a huge ego and some major problems, but it helps him produce some brilliant music.

[KERRYKOP]

If you see it like I do, as a pop album and not hip-hop, you'll appreciate how class it is.

It's not the best hip-hop album of this year, but it's definitely one of the best mainstream albums.

I dont really give a shit what genre it is, Mainstream our Underground they should be all judged the same

Rihanna, John Legend, Beyoncé, Kid Cudi, Jay-Z, Chris Rock, Swizz Beats...

Mr West got some decent guest artists in a great album.

Oh Jebus

[bellinter]

toast for the douchebags, assholes, scumbags, jerkoffs.... Best bit of the album!

[damomad]

The only argument to be had is whether or not Kanye is a full blown twat or not.

The album is pure class.

[BazC]

I like it, but don't think he'll ever top Late Registration in my eyes, although he came fairly close with Graduation. Only listened to it the once all the way through though.

[Illmatic]

He is currently working on a album with Jay-Z; this song will probably end up on the album.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngDSSVOZObw&feature=related

Produced by Pete Rock.

[Agger]

He is currently working on a album with Jay-Z; this song will probably end up on the album.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngDSSVOZObw&feature=related

Produced by Pete Rock.

Not a very good song in my honest opinion, at least not after the first listening.

[Illmatic]

Not a very good song in my honest opinion, at least not after the first listening.

I like it, as it is very laid back that kind of hip hop is acquired taste in my opinion.

[Myshkin]

I like it, as it is very laid back that kind of hip hop is acquired taste in my opinion.

Yeah I like it. It sounds like the old sample heavy Kanye.

[Slick_Beef]

I haven't bought anything from Kanye since his second album but the reviews of this have tempted me. Funnily enough I was driving today with random albums playing, and the college dropout came on. I hadn't heard it for about three years but enjoyed hearing it again, a very good album.  I remember seeing Kanye in the apollo with Talib Kweli not long after that came out and it was a great concert. Having enjoyed it, I went to see him again in the NEC a year or two later and it was bollocks, obnoxious, all-style with no substance, which is what Late Registration was*. Still, maybe I will pick this up tomorrow and give it a chance.

* for the most part. I always thought "Gone" was a great song.