Topic: Red Dead Redemption - Rockstar Games

[Statto Red]

Literally just spoiler /spoiler with [] around

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cheers

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[IgorBobbins]

I wonder if they’ll release this for next gen consoles at 60fps.  I loved it at 30fps but 60 looks incredible.

[Darren G]

I wonder if they’ll release this for next gen consoles at 60fps.  I loved it at 30fps but 60 looks incredible.

Yeah, looks absolutely beautiful on pc with all of the settings turned up high with 60+ fps. Only issue I have is some stuttering in Saint Denis.

 I wouldn't be suprised to see a version on the new consoles as Rockstar love to milk a title. On the other hand they're probably pretty busy with developing gta 6, so who knows.

[naYoRHa2b]

They need to fix the input lag first.



Despite the fact i love what they crafted I think it's the reason I struggle to play it for long periods.

I'm not sure we will get a remastered because they will still be busy making money off GTA5 on next gen consoles...

[Darren G]

Is that on a console? 

[Statto Red]

I wonder if they’ll release this for next gen consoles at 60fps.  I loved it at 30fps but 60 looks incredible.

I can see a RDRIII[prequel to RDRII] for next gen consoles maybe formation of the gang to the Blackwater raid.

[naYoRHa2b]

Is that on a console?

That specific gif? Probably.

There's a full breakdown of it which DF did last year including PC. It's pretty interesting to be fair

https://youtu.be/fqMqeuwxwVg

[El Lobo]

I can see a RDRIII[prequel to RDRII] for next gen consoles maybe formation of the gang to the Blackwater raid.

They’d be crackers not to do more games considering how much they sell.

Arthur as a young gun slinger would be awesome....they seem obsessed with John Marston though (yawn) so it’d probably be him. A prequel of that time might be tricky though considering it’d probably be quite Native American/American civil war heavy which would be tough to get right considering world events right now.

[lorenzo]

They’d be crackers not to do more games considering how much they sell.

Arthur as a young gun slinger would be awesome....they seem obsessed with John Marston though (yawn) so it’d probably be him. A prequel of that time might be tricky though considering it’d probably be quite Native American/American civil war heavy which would be tough to get right considering world events right now.

Perfect timing, specially if they portray America how it really was.

[Seebab]

I don't see how they could match RDR II to be honest, unless they only focused on improving game play and missions and kept everything else the same. For me, RDR II was the complete and definitive Western/Frontier story taking into account thousands of elements from real life experiences, real-life stories, case studies, Western movies, comics, newspapers, shows, theatre show, music and sounds tracks. It had everything and I can't think of a single thing that they missed out on from that era to be honest. Also, if you were to do a prequel set in the 1860s and 70s, maybe the environments would be less populated and towns much smaller so it wouldn't be as fun I reckon.

To even try and match the world of RDR II and add more would be a significant challenge. Why not try and do something different? Maybe late 1800s peak-immigration NYC in the style of Gangs of New York?

[Darren G]

They’d be crackers not to do more games considering how much they sell.

Arthur as a young gun slinger would be awesome....they seem obsessed with John Marston though (yawn) so it’d probably be him. A prequel of that time might be tricky though considering it’d probably be quite Native American/American civil war heavy which would be tough to get right considering world events right now.

 I have no doubt that they'll do another game, but it'll be some time coming I imagine. I think that rd2 took around 8 years of development and they'll be doing gta6 before they even start on Rdr3 I'd imagine. I don't believe that the civil war or Indian wars would be an obsticle though. The civil war was only 4 years so they could easily dodge that time period and the various Indian wars were going on throughout the time periods of the first two games (I've recently been rewatching The West doco ) so no real change there. I don't feel that the main protagonist would be John either. His story was essential to the main story on Rdr2 as part of Arthur's redemption rather than Rockstar including him for the love of the character. His story after the game has already been told in the first game. If alternately Rockstar chose to set rdr3 prior to rdr2 by 5-10 years he'd simply be too young. Unless rdr3 was centred around John's struggle with puberty I don't see how it would work. I agree that the whole Arthur as a younger man thing would work well, but a  whole new character and story arc would be my preference given that we know how both Arthur's and John's story end.

[Perham]

I played through the story of rdr2 twice during lockdown while I was waiting for the football to come back. I forgot how good a game it is. The end of the story is incredible as well and Arthur is one of the best protagonists in any video game I've played

[redan]

I played through the story again during lockdown and it got me thinking how far technology would have to advance or how far we are away from creating a game on a similar scale to this but be almost completely open ended instead of following an almost closed narrative.

I must start by saying I thought the story in RDR2 was superb so this is not a criticism in anyway just more of an open question influenced by the game. For example imagine if you could chose

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not to collect the money from Mr Downes and therefore change the whole arc or leave Dutch’s gang whenever you like and maybe start your own and take some of the gang with you. Choose to leave with Mary and start a life somewhere.

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It’d be a complete open world with an open narrative. You chose how you live in this world
I know the Witcher 3 and other games have had similar when they have a lot of alternate endings and consequences for numerous character but I’m thinking another level up from that where nearly every decision you make has a subsequent reaction

[stoa]

To be honest, I think we are still a million lightyears away from that. At the end of the day, everything that happens in a game is something that has been programmed into it and everything has been planned beforehand. People were going mental about No Man's Sky and its huge universe, but in the end it was just a shitloads of planets and creatures put together with parts from a certain tool set. I think technology has come a long way already, but a completely open world where you can do whatever you want and the world changes accordingly is not an option in the near future in my view.

[Statto Red]

One thing i do like about RDRII the ability to camp out well away the safehouse, & sleep[just avoid camping in the Roanoke Ridge, & surrounding area] to fast forward to a certain time of day/night, & fast travel[i know you can fast travel in GTA V but you cannot not use your own vehicle & have to jump in a taxi to fast travel]

[Fabulous_aurelio]

Just about to start this game for the first time.

I'll give it a couple of hours before the match.

Very excited.

[Statto Red]

Just about to start this game for the first time.

I'll give it a couple of hours before the match.

Very excited.

Few tips unless you've read this thread

Playing story mode, don't waste money on buying ammo & weapons all the time in the early chapters, but do upgrade holsters & such so you can, as they carry more ammo.

Watch out for ambushes by rival gangs

Try & upgrade camp as quick as you can so you can get fast travel mose, once available fast travel appears every time you camp out in the wilderness, as well as at camp it's on the side of the wagon where your character sleeps, but avoid camping anywhere in the Roanoke Ridge area, that spawns the Murfree Brood gang that kill for fun, even when you're camping.

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Be careful when you going for Dutch's pipe for the item request, a bear will spawn inside his cabin, so go to a safe distance to too far from the cabin, fire off a couple of shots, the bear will come out of the cabin & try to attack you, but you should be able to see the bear & shoot it dead[will need a few bullets to shoot it dead] if you're at a safe distance

Be wary too when picking plants & herbs as snakes can spawn near you

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Anyway, enjoy.

[ToneLa]

go to lake berryessa

[Fabulous_aurelio]

Thanks for those tips. I have been reading bits and bat's on here.

Just moved camps for the first time to horseshoe overlook, and so really not far in, but already feeling pretty overwhelmed.

Its beautiful though.

I went for a wander to the lake earlier and saw two Odriscolls stood near some trees and they were yelling at me to move on. I ended up putting them down as I was hesitant at first and they made the first move.

Was it wise or should you leave them be?

[Perham]

Thanks for those tips. I have been reading bits and bat's on here.

Just moved camps for the first time to horseshoe overlook, and so really not far in, but already feeling pretty overwhelmed.

Its beautiful though.

I went for a wander to the lake earlier and saw two Odriscolls stood near some trees and they were yelling at me to move on. I ended up putting them down as I was hesitant at first and they made the first move.

Was it wise or should you leave them be?

Enjoy it mate. Such a good game. About the O'Driscolls, you wont get a bounty for killing them, I generally kill any O'Driscoll that I see!

[Statto Red]

My favourite mission has to be chapter 3, "The New South" mission, the camaraderie & stories being told between Dutch, Hosea & Arthur when they're fishing makes this mission then the row back to the camp, for me this is RDRII at it's best.

[Statto Red]

Enjoy it mate. Such a good game. About the O'Driscolls, you wont get a bounty for killing them, I generally kill any O'Driscoll that I see!

Same with me, with any rival outlaw gang members just shoot them dead, you won't lose any honour & wont get any law alert[you gain honour if you kill rival outlaws spotted robbing strangers], there's a kKK meeting that takes place in the woods near Matlock Pond, you get an honour level increase if you kill them.

Oh yeah, when you kill rival outlaws make sure you loot their body's too, can get things such as more ammo, chewing tobacco, little bit of money ecc


 
 

[Statto Red]

Another tip be wary of any wagon seemingly abandoned at the side of the trail, the wagon could well be loaded with dynamite & will set off as you go past it, frightening your horse so much that you'll be thrown off your horse, & set of an ambush against you.

One of these ambush locations in chapter 3, is a corner of the trail to camp from Rhodes 

[El Lobo]

I feel like you’re dropping a load of spoilers here mate

[XabiArt]

Feel like half the fun of the game is stumbling across this stuff as it happens and to play it best you feel.

[Statto Red]

I feel like you’re dropping a load of spoilers here mate

 

The spoilers i'm posting are between missions & not the missions themselves.

[Slick_Beef]

Just got this at the weekend, as I got a new graphics card and wanted to run something beautiful on it. Was not disappointed, the game looks stunning. I'm just in chapter two but I don't want to rush the plot along too fast so I've just been riding around hunting and bumping into random people so far. Really impressed anyway!

[Darren G]

The spoilers i'm posting are between missions & not the missions themselves.

 You're still detracting from the experience for new players by telling them what's going to happen in certain scenarios though. Don't want to sound like I'm attacking you, but I agree with Fucking Appauled.

[Gerry Attrick]

I'm about 15% through the story and to say I'm underwhelmed so far would be an understatement. The missions aren't very interesting and travelling between places is so boring and monotonous after about 30 seconds. I can see why other people would enjoy it because it looks great and if you like storylines that are extremely slow burners it's probably right up your street. I shall probably continue playing through because I don't like quitting halfway, but it's a once only thing and then I'll flog it to Cex or something.

[Dynasty]

I'm about 15% through the story and to say I'm underwhelmed so far would be an understatement. The missions aren't very interesting and travelling between places is so boring and monotonous after about 30 seconds. I can see why other people would enjoy it because it looks great and if you like storylines that are extremely slow burners it's probably right up your street. I shall probably continue playing through because I don't like quitting halfway, but it's a once only thing and then I'll flog it to Cex or something.

The game is boring as fuck you need to have real patience to enjoy it. I think it's the perfect game for people who don't have much going on in life and can put the time and effort in. My attention span is very limited, so I prefer fun gaming that captures your focus right away.

[AndyMuller]

The game is boring as fuck you need to have real patience to enjoy it. I think it's the perfect game for people who don't have much going on in life and can put the time and effort in. My attention span is very limited, so I prefer fun gaming that captures your focus right away.

But you finished TLOU2 in 1 day?

[ToneLa]

 

The thing is a timesink but it makes me wonder just how blasé you'd need to be to find the experience of being in the world utterly stultifying. There's a coherency and a beauty to the world that verges on art. You could play it as a walking simulator, and it not be a total waste of time.

Really though when you're riding, the cores system is your priority. Get a little routine. Feed your horse, clean it, feed yourself, top up stamina.

Riding is boss. I don't know how everybody else hunts, but I just ignore the bait system entirely and ride around with the varmint and Springfield rifles in my loadout. (the Springfield only fires one shot before reload, so you can actually use DeadEye to place the shot on the animal!)

No, it's not a game you play for 15 minutes then go to bed happy. It's a scripted, storylined simulation of the Old West. That's the intent.

Which is why I suppose you get people who think it's a bad thing to have patience. Trust me, it gets plenty immediate when you know what you're doing. I think your first dozen hours are almost guaranteed to be spent a bit lost & overwhelmed, and the first couple chapters are basically tutorials. I'd even say the sweet spot exists outside the actual storyline...

[El Lobo]

If you’re bored riding about, just head into a little town and shoot the place up then take out the law. Much more fun riding around with bounty hunters appearing very now and then.

[Fabulous_aurelio]

I've been playing a couple of hours now, I'm on chapter 2 and I can see both sides of the argument.

It looks beautiful but I can understand why people get overwhelmed or bored and give up.

The controls system is just too clunky and unnatural. It's over complicated in places where it doesn't need to be. I do understand though that it could be because I'm coming off the back of sinking 100 plus hours into AC Odyssey.

I do think the game is clumsy. Twice now I have done two small side missions which have ended up badly.

First one I was helping a stranger who's horse had fallen on her. I helped her up and offered to take her home. When we were walking to my horse we bumped into each other and she screamed and ran off. There was no way to calm the situation either.

The next time I was returning a horse to someone after I borrowed it to chase someone, upon returning the gentlemen was so pleased to see I was bringing his horse back, the dialogue had started and then I got of my horse, who accidently knocked into him and he went apeshit!

I will persist with it though because I am beginning to find enjoyment in it other than its looks.

[ToneLa]

A lot of the controls / physics clunkiness (which I see what they were going for, but opening drawers takes in third person takes forever) just doesn't exist in first-person. First person shooting, third-person horse riding is the way to go IMO

Waiting for the OpenIV team to crack it really. GTAV ended up with mods that restored GTAIV's physics and such. RDR2 could use that level of modding! One day soon.

[Statto Red]

I'm about 15% through the story and to say I'm underwhelmed so far would be an understatement. The missions aren't very interesting and travelling between places is so boring and monotonous after about 30 seconds. I can see why other people would enjoy it because it looks great and if you like storylines that are extremely slow burners it's probably right up your street. I shall probably continue playing through because I don't like quitting halfway, but it's a once only thing and then I'll flog it to Cex or something.

That's the early missions for you though, RDRII missions get better from end of chapter 2

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you're shooting in every mission in Chapter 5, as much as i dislike being in the Beaver Hollow camp, the missions in chapter 6 are epic

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I love to roam between missions to one of the hills above Rhodes, get a good view to the east, & watch the morning sunrise

[Statto Red]

It took me playing story mode through 3 times before i started enjoying it[i know that's a lot of hours], i take time to stop off in camp between missions, rather than playing the next mission at once, unless the story is set up to play the next mission once you've finished the previous mission, some of the dialog other gang members have in camp between each other is exceptional.

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oh & everyone else in the gang apart from Dutch loathes Micha, there's a classic confrontation in camp between Micha & Charles

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[ToneLa]

This is my third playthrough and I'm still discovering new stuff the gang say or do in camp!

It's just packed with content. If you can't enjoy Sean, then you may as well uninstall it 

[ToneLa]

Don't remember sharing this before but I have the official guide in my Onedrive (click and when Onedrive opens just click Download, it's a PDF)

I think to get the most out of this game it helps to know a lot of it. Full walkthrough n that, but honestly the most useful stuff for me is where all the unique hats are 

[Slick_Beef]

I've been playing a couple of hours now, I'm on chapter 2 and I can see both sides of the argument.

It looks beautiful but I can understand why people get overwhelmed or bored and give up.

The controls system is just too clunky and unnatural. It's over complicated in places where it doesn't need to be. I do understand though that it could be because I'm coming off the back of sinking 100 plus hours into AC Odyssey.

I do think the game is clumsy. Twice now I have done two small side missions which have ended up badly.

First one I was helping a stranger who's horse had fallen on her. I helped her up and offered to take her home. When we were walking to my horse we bumped into each other and she screamed and ran off. There was no way to calm the situation either.

The next time I was returning a horse to someone after I borrowed it to chase someone, upon returning the gentlemen was so pleased to see I was bringing his horse back, the dialogue had started and then I got of my horse, who accidently knocked into him and he went apeshit!

I will persist with it though because I am beginning to find enjoyment in it other than its looks.

Haha, I've had some situations like that too that annoyed me a bit. I was helping some fella clean rats out of his bar in St Denis. I was carefully doing it with my bow to not cause a scene.  At some point panning the camera around looking for rats I had my bow pointed near the fella and he ran and called the police on me. I stepped outside with my bow still in hand and they shot me.

Another time I had just finished helping someone and went to get back on my horse, but the horse was by the lady and it seems the "get on horse" button is the same as the "choke" button so I just randomly murdered her in the middle of a busy street.

Oh well, besides those hiccups I'm really enjoying it.

I'm still on C2 and the next mission I have is to

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bust Micha out of prison

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but I can't be arsed with him at all so I've just been hunting to upgrade my satchels.