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2021 Who is the best

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Pat Nevin
Liam Rosenior
Andres Cantor
Lutalo Muhammad
Barry Davies
Nasser Hussain
Michael Johnson
Gaby Logan
Natalie Sawyer
Andy Brasswell
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Isa Guha
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Chris Hoy
Becky Adlington
Beth Tweddle
Katherine Grainger
Richie Woodhall
Kelly Cates
Alan Shearer
Gary Lineker
Gary Neville
Jamie Carragher
Graeme Souness
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Jim Beglin
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Author Topic: Who is the best pundit? 2021 edition  (Read 1056448 times)

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Imagine thinking Murphy's ever watched him play. The bloke is beyond clueless:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-must-reinvest-midfield-power-14129874

Not got Mascherano’s creativity. :D

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I think there's a lot of value in having these ex-pros on, even if they mostly come across as useless. If they were used in a very narrowly defined punditry role - to talk about the playing side of the games - I think they're great. There's not many people out there I'd rather listen to talk about how a centre forward should have positioned himself, for example, than Alan Shearer.

The problem is that there's more to talk about when reflecting upon a game than just the playing aspect so they should get experts in those fields on the panel too.

Ideally there'd be a 3 man panel;

- a player to talk about playing stuff (positioning, what it's like in the build up to a game, how a player should have done X, Y or Z, etc);

- a ref to talk about the laws of the game (as interpretation of this does tend to be an issue in most games)

- a manager to talk about the overall approach each team has taken.

The way it tends to work is that most of the punditry slots are taken by ex players (with a few small exceptions with people like Souness who also managed). So we end up with people like Shearer being the guy who gets to spout off about something he's not an expert in (e.g. the laws of the game) so ends up being all over the place.

Not sure why more retired managers & refs don't take these roles. Maybe they're not offered (more demand by Joe Public to see someone familar like Jamie Redknapp or Henry rather than Houllier, etc).

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Imagine thinking Murphy's ever watched him play. The bloke is beyond clueless:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-must-reinvest-midfield-power-14129874

Jesus, that's almost unbelievable. Almost but then you realise its Murphy.
The bit about Can got me, which he ends with "whatever" as if to say I'm not interested in facts.
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I am currently sitting with two @lfc fans who didn't think it was a pen. I played football at different levels for 30 years. You may disagree with my opinion but I am entitled to it. Just because you disagree doesn't make me a hypocrite. One was a pen, one wasn't. Get over it.


Murphy & Lawrenson, by any chance?

As has been said, they insisted the tiny nudge from Lovren into C-L (after C-L had cut across Lovren) was a pen... but now they absolutely definitely don't think the grab round the waist of Lallana was a pen?

Taken in isolation, the Lallana incident isn't IMHO a penalty (or, if it is, there should be half a dozen penalties a match) but coming so soon after C-L's penalty (which IMHO isn't a penalty either), at the very least a professional pundit needs to show some consistency.


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All good answers but my hatred for Jonathan Pearce is stronger than any passing fad.

I hear you! I am slightly scared by how much I fucking loathe that man, I must admit.
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I hear you! I am slightly scared by how much I fucking loathe that man, I must admit.

I work with someone who went to school with him. :D

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I work with someone who went to school with him. :D

Commentators like Pearce are a bit like Tory MPs. Just can't imagine that any of them were thought of as anything other than complete wankers when they were at school and probably had few friends ... if any at all?
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at the very least a professional pundit needs to show some consistency.

We can't even get referees to show consistency so why should the pundits bother?
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I hear you! I am slightly scared by how much I fucking loathe that man, I must admit.
You only have to listen to that famous commentary of the goal in the World Cup (France v Honduras I think?) where it hit the post and then went in, so 2 goal line decisions were shown and he absolutely couldn't get his head around it, claiming goal line technology doesn't work blah blah blah.

The man's a fucking idiot.
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Alan Smith. And Carra...

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ESPN have the worst set of pundits by a long shot. And sadly I have to include our very own Stevie Nicol in that. He's awful. The no-mark Mexican fella they have on is the worst of the bunch though. He really doesn't like us either. Never fails to stick the boot in while he can, the tit.
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Wasn't there an experiment years ago where you could just choose to watch the match without commentary? I'd happily pay extra just to have that thank you very much. Commentary and punditry went to pot when the likes of Barry Davies and Brian Moore retired. Hard pressed to choose between fucking Murphy or Chris Sutton. Having said that, I remember Archie McPherson back in the day - 'it's a dis-aster for Scot-laaaaand'. Fucking headache he used to give me.

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SKY had a no commentary option using the Red Button, SKY also had Fanzone which was hilarious at times.
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You only have to listen to that famous commentary of the goal in the World Cup (France v Honduras I think?) where it hit the post and then went in, so 2 goal line decisions were shown and he absolutely couldn't get his head around it, claiming goal line technology doesn't work blah blah blah.

The man's a fucking idiot.

When Martin Keown has figured something out before you have then you need to take a long hard look at yourself.  Keown realised what had happened after about 30 seconds, Pearce was still going on about it in the second half. 

A few minutes after that incident a shot went wide and rippled the side netting. "...and now they've not given that one. It's a shambles." He rambled incredulously.  Three replays later he finally conceded what was obvious to everyone else on first viewing, that it hadn't gone in, but he maintained his position that it was the technology that was shambolic rather than his commentary.

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Goal line technology - it's a shambles

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When Martin Keown has figured something out before you have then you need to take a long hard look at yourself.  Keown realised what had happened after about 30 seconds, Pearce was still going on about it in the second half. 

A few minutes after that incident a shot went wide and rippled the side netting. "...and now they've not given that one. It's a shambles." He rambled incredulously.  Three replays later he finally conceded what was obvious to everyone else on first viewing, that it hadn't gone in, but he maintained his position that it was the technology that was shambolic rather than his commentary.
It's incredulous that someone like that was allowed to carry on commentating on a sport which is obviously mystifying to him. I mean, I did laugh reading your message and remembering back to what a tit he was, but to not understand something so basic is absolutely mental.
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used to love the footy commentaries on BBC Radio.....just a fella with a microphone telling you what was going on and describing the action....sadly they've succumbed to the bullshit conventional wisdom that to spice a game up you need a controversial, opinionated arsewipe co-commentator, a completely unnecessary irritant who's job it is to shit-stir and sensationalize .....tuned into the Chelsea v Leicester game and had to turn off after 10 mins because of the preposterously arrogant Danny Mills taking over the commentary with pure shit that was unrelated to the game in hand.....just turned the Bournemouth Arsenal game on and all i've heard for the last 5 mins is Steve Claridge doing exactly what Mills was doing yesterday but in a louder voice....fuckin detest modern media
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Goal line technology - it's a shambles

This will never stop being hilarious. What an absolute tit ;D
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used to love the footy commentaries on BBC Radio.....just a fella with a microphone telling you what was going on and describing the action....sadly they've succumbed to the bullshit conventional wisdom that to spice a game up you need a controversial, opinionated arsewipe co-commentator, a completely unnecessary irritant who's job it is to shit-stir and sensationalize .....tuned into the Chelsea v Leicester game and had to turn off after 10 mins because of the preposterously arrogant Danny Mills taking over the commentary with pure shit that was unrelated to the game in hand.....just turned the Bournemouth Arsenal game on and all i've heard for the last 5 mins is Steve Claridge doing exactly what Mills was doing yesterday but in a louder voice....fuckin detest modern media

Agree 100%. Same with radio phone ins - they only let on the nutters with the batshit views. Does my head in.
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Someone stole Danny Murphy and replaced him with this fella.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/42684733
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You can clearly tell Danny Murphy hasn't even watched a youtube highlights reel of any player outside the Premier League.

He's also thick as pig shit.
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I've been impressed by Gary Neville in the years since he's been on Sky but claiming Mane mishit the ball yesterday for his goal? Fuck me. I've never heard so much shit in my life.

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I've been impressed by Gary Neville in the years since he's been on Sky but claiming Mane mishit the ball yesterday for his goal? Fuck me. I've never heard so much shit in my life.
If you see the goal from behind the goal there's virtually no swerve on the ball, it was a clean strike, if he'd have sliced it then it would have went wide.

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I like Alan Green. I couldn't watch the game live yesterday but I thought he and Savage were pretty good on 5 Live.

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I've been impressed by Gary Neville in the years since he's been on Sky but claiming Mane mishit the ball yesterday for his goal? Fuck me. I've never heard so much shit in my life.

Quite.  Man Yoo bile.

Carra got him back though by reminding everyone that Firmino's goal was like something Fowler did to Neville

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I thought Tyler sounded slightly more animated yesterday, I even managed a grin when he came out the "Bobby Dazzler" shout!

That said, Jonathan Pearce is a helmet, utterly insufferable.
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I like Alan Green. I couldn't watch the game live yesterday but I thought he and Savage were pretty good on 5 Live.

Green is always value for money...easily my favourite BBC commentator ...still annoys me that he was dropped from the 606 show ..
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I thought Tyler sounded slightly more animated yesterday, I even managed a grin when he came out the "Bobby Dazzler" shout!

Tyler always leave me feeling conflicted. I genuinely really like his voice, and if he provided this kind of enthusiasm every game, regardless of who's playing and who's winning, then I feel like people wouldn't care who he supported in his personal life. The Bobby Dazzler line was good, I'll give him that, even if you could tell he'd been brewing it in his head all day.

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Tyler obviously had in mind all the abuse and accusations about being a manc he'd had thrown at him on social media. That's why he sounded a bit more enthusiastic in our game.
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Tyler obviously had in mind all the abuse and accusations about being a manc he'd had thrown at him on social media. That's why he sounded a bit more enthusiastic in our game.
That might well be it. I remember when Lovren scored the opener away at Chelsea last season thinking that the linesman's flag had gone up or something, because Tyler barely reacted to the goal; it took me a few seconds to actually accept we were 1-0 up! ;D

Then on Sunday, he's going nuts when Mane scored, screaming "YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT!!" in a way that sounded like genuine enthusiasm. He's a weird one... probably one of those United fans who just wanted City's unbeaten record to die. ;D


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Merson's latest genius on the Sky website.

Man United now have "as good a chance of winning the Champions League as Man City", purely on the basis that they "wouldn't collapse like Man City did against Liverpool." Spurs" could go far if they avoid injuries" but Liverpool "haven't got a hope in hells chance" because we "simply can't defend".

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I like him, he's a genuine eccentric and Isn't as agenda driven like a lot of pundits.

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SKY had a no commentary option using the Red Button, SKY also had Fanzone which was hilarious at times.

They soon got rid when they realised how many were choosing not to listen the Tyler, Smith Gray and Gibbon Gloves
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In an age where punditry is down the toilet with the absolute ego overload onboard (that list in the poll is just a nightmare), lets all spare a thought for the passing of a true legend, Jimmy Armfield.

What a pro, what a gentleman. Well informed, wiser than all of them on that list put together yet incredibly humble with it.

RIP Jimmy.

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Sorry if it's already linked, but let's all bask in the glory of Martin Tyler's crestfallen reaction to VVD's winner:

https://streamable.com/z0o2d

Now try to imagine what he would sound like if a Manchester United defender who'd just signed for a world record fee had just headed in a late winner against City, or us...or even Stevenage. He would have lifted the roof by himself and not stopped going on about it for 10 minutes.

Well then, it will be interesting to hear what reaction he has if Sanchez scores against Yeovil on Friday. I can’t see him doing anything other than creaming his kecks, with a “Welcome to Manchester United!” screamed at top volume thrown in for good measure.

Wembley might get flooded with Tyler’s spunk should he score against Spurs next week as well.
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