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The Best Player We missed out on in recent years?
« on: January 28, 2009, 01:36:54 pm »
Dani Alves: the best player in the world (well, after Leo Messi)                                         He might only be a right-back, but Barcelona's Dani Alves would be the world's best player if it wasn't for a certain Argentinian                                                           [Sid Lowe, Guardian Unlimited]
                                                                                         
                              Dani Alves, the world's second best player.
                              Madrid didn't want him, Liverpool didn't want him enough, and Chelsea wouldn't pay for him. After all, they reasoned, he's only a full-back. Forget dark and brooding or squeaky-clean: he doesn't do adverts, has a cheeky grin rather than a winning smile, a wife not a WAG, and couldn't pout if his life depended on it. He came to Europe for a million euros when that wasn't a million pounds, isn't the outstanding man for his club, doesn't play regularly for his country, and didn't get a single vote at the Fifa World player awards. Not even from the representative from Guam, who was too busy pencilling in the words Frank and Lampard. Hell, even Cameroon captain Rigobert Song preferred to spoil his ballot paper than vote for him.
But don't let that fool you. Because Dani Alves is still the world's best player. Well, maybe not the best. That's Leo Messi. And that's also the point. Because while in Brazil they giggled at the unlikeliest of metrosexuals, commenting more on the six tubs of facial cream Alves had confiscated at the airport than the six touches he had on the pitch last time he travelled thousands of miles for a handful of international minutes, while he got ignored by Fifa's judges and France Football's correspondents, while he'd never launch a Cristiano-esque crusade – Gazzetta today, L'Equipe tomorrow, Kicker the day after - and while, above all, the eulogies fall on the unbelievably brilliant Messi, Alves has built a case to be considered the world's second best player.
From right-back.
And right-wing. And just about everywhere else. Roman Abramovich decided €30m was too much for a defender but Alves is not just a defender. He's a one-man band wearing cymbals on his knees, a drum on his back, Johnny Cash's harmonica strapped to his gob and Barça sweatbands on his wrists like a 10-year-old suffering a Peter Withe fixation. He offers killer passes and crunching tackles: a screeching lunatic kid, perfect technician, tactical genius and - let's face it - sneaky little cheat, all wrapped into one hyperactive ball. A footballing Sonic the Hedgehog.
You've got to love him. Or least you would have to if you weren't so busy loving Leo. Take this weekend. It was the first game of the season's second half and Barcelona had broken more records than Toxteth O'Grady: more points than any other team ever, the biggest lead ever, and the best debutant coach in Pep Guardiola. They'd completed over 2,000 more passes than anyone else, had more corners, more shots, and conceded the fewest goals, scoring a staggering 59 as well as hitting 17 posts – more posts than Espanyol have goals, enough to have given then a 100% record.
Something, though, was missing. And not just defeat for Madrid, who scraped another win off Raúl's ear. Barcelona sought revenge on Numancia, the only side to beat them. They also sought reassurance after the sinister shadow that saw off Ramón Calderón cast a cloud over Catalunya. Florentino Pérez, said Marca, would soon make a comeback – with Messi under his arm. All it would take is a little persuasion and his buy-out clause: €150m (plus 46% tax). That Marca talked it up was no surprise; the consternation it caused in Catalunya was. They actually took it seriously. The charmingly titled crappingyourselfometer appeared to be firing up again. Suddenly, they were spitting denials, shooting evils at that geezer looking at their bird, and begging like terrified lovers. It couldn't have been more desperate if they'd stalked Messi round Sainsbury's or spent the small hours tearfully breathing down the phone, silently picking the petals off a daisy.
So, when Messi scored the opener for a struggling Barça with a clever flick four minutes into the second half, they breathed a sigh of relief. When he kissed the Barcelona badge, they went all gooey. When he scored another, provided an assist and was denied a hat-trick by the bar, leading them in a brilliant 45 minutes that finished 4-1 and eclipsed a ropey first in which, but for the ref, they would have been trailing, they were doing cartwheels. And when he insisted he'd "never leave", they were dancing through a summer meadow.
"We Love You Messi", simpered Sport's cover, its editor declaring "Messi's kiss not just any kiss", and "this won't be like Figo because Messi is nether a money grabber nor a gypsy". Mundo Deportivo emblazoned "Messi Barcelona" across its front page. And Joan Laporta was losing the plot. "They're trying to destabilise us," he ranted, "and Madrid have an unfair advantage because they have the support of institutions we all pay for – especially the Catalans." "Messi," he added, "proves he's happy with brilliant performances every game."
He was half right. Messi was brilliant again. But amid the dreamy eulogies, another decisive performance from Alves went relatively unnoticed. The Brazilian is the only consistent starter who wasn't there last season when they finished 18 points behind Madrid. Now they are 12 ahead. That's not to say he's responsible – Guardiola's been immensely impressive, Eto'o's scored 19 in 19, Henry is winning not whining, Xavi controls games, and Iniesta's touch and vision is wonderful – but his contribution has been colossal. He's buried the mistaken belief that Barça need defenders who defend – a belief that saw off Belletti and took the balance and element of surprise with it - and has brought dynamism, bite and desire, helping inject life into a moribund mob.
In September, Alves insisted he wouldn't be the Sevilla Alves. Under Guardiola's guidance, he's been better - and he was pretty good before. It's no coincidence he's played more minutes than anyone else or that Barcelona's right wing has delivered three times as many goals as the left, with the full-back providing 10 assists. Not just any assists either, key assists: assists that opened the scoring against Valladolid, saw off Betis 3-2, equalised against Getafe and Osasuna, and broke Saturday's deadlock. But it wasn't just that Alves produced a brilliant flick and headed pass for Messi. It was that Barça turned to him in need, that in the opening four minutes of the half, they'd already speared five balls his way.
For all their collective brilliance, Barcelona have been accused of Messi-dependency. But who wouldn't depend on him? And, besides, Messi's not alone. He might be just a right-back, he might not be glamorous and he might not even be the best player in the team, but right now Daniel Alves might just be the second best player in the world.
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Re: The Best Player We missed out on in recent years?
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2009, 01:38:18 pm »
diving little toerag. don't like him.
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Re: The Best Player We missed out on in recent years?
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2009, 01:39:43 pm »
david villa 7 mil from zarragossa
he chose valencia

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Re: The Best Player We missed out on in recent years?
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2009, 01:39:50 pm »
diving little toerag. don't like him.

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Re: The Best Player We missed out on in recent years?
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2009, 01:42:18 pm »
diving little toerag. don't like him.

Oh well that's that. We can't do with anyone like that in our team eh.

Reading that Alves article is annoying. The club dropped a bollock with that one. Oh well, move on really.
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Re: The Best Player We missed out on in recent years?
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2009, 01:45:33 pm »
The best player we missed yesterday - Heskey
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Re: The Best Player We missed out on in recent years?
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2009, 01:47:04 pm »
Lads, Vidic has to be one of the best we missed out on. The man is having playing unbelievable with the mancs this season.

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Re: The Best Player We missed out on in recent years?
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2009, 01:49:52 pm »
The best player we missed yesterday - Heskey

maybe shouldnt have let HIm go...nor....

dont suppose many will agree, because of his "rep" but I stated before GH let him go that I felt Anelka would have brought us PL success (which looked certain at the end of the 01/02 season) top scorer this season?

its another reason why when people talk about selling too early , its necessary to give strikers time (RK!)
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Re: The Best Player We missed out on in recent years?
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2009, 01:50:16 pm »
Ronaldo
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Re: The Best Player We missed out on in recent years?
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2009, 01:51:02 pm »
david villa 7 mil from zarragossa
he chose valencia



or Ronaldo, we had a deal in place and fucked it up. United got him and now the best player in the world.

Thought after his first season most on here, had he signed would have wanted him fucking off.

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Re: The Best Player We missed out on in recent years?
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2009, 01:55:17 pm »
Alves would have transformed our team completely, I have no doubt.  In fact stick him in our squad at the start of this season and I reckon we'd have turned 75% of our draws into wins.

Not so recent, but missing out on Desailly must be pretty high on the list.
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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2009, 01:55:25 pm »
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Re: The Best Player We missed out on in recent years?
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2009, 01:56:11 pm »
why do we keep missing out on these people ?
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Re: The Best Player We missed out on in recent years?
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2009, 01:57:28 pm »
Ronaldo

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Re: The Best Player We missed out on in recent years?
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2009, 01:57:34 pm »
Ronaldo, Villa, Alves & Vidic.

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« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2009, 01:58:25 pm »
Didier Baptiste
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« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2009, 01:58:43 pm »
villa,ronaldo and vidic half the united team haha still wankers the lot of them tho
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Re: The Best Player We missed out on in recent years?
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2009, 02:01:55 pm »
Ronaldo
Villa
Alves
Vidic.

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Re: The Best Player We missed out on in recent years?
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2009, 02:02:15 pm »
Alves, ronaldo, Villa....you think we'd still be on 19 now?

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Re: The Best Player We missed out on in recent years?
« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2009, 02:03:39 pm »
Fowler said in his autobiography that Roy Evans tried to get Sheringham before he went to Man U. Probably in place of Collymore. But the board wouldn't give him the cash.

That wouldn't have been too bad.

Also Jari Litmanen, the first time before he went to Barca. It seemed a fucking nailed on certainty that he was coming to us then.
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Re: The Best Player We missed out on in recent years?
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2009, 02:04:59 pm »
Lads, Vidic has to be one of the best we missed out on. The man is having playing unbelievable with the mancs this season.

Maybe but recent set piece mishaps aside we have 4 very solid centre backs so although Vidic is a quality player isn't the one we missed out on the most in my view. I wouldn't even have gone for Ronaldo - no guarentee he would have turned out the same way under Houllier or even Rafa.  Alves would have given us an extra dimension either at RB or RM. I think he's the one who could have had the biggest impact on how we play. Ah well.

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Re: The Best Player We missed out on in recent years?
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2009, 02:06:39 pm »
             Reina

Alves  Carra  Vidic  Insua

Ronaldo Gerrard Masch / Alonso Reira

Torres  Villa

Wouldnt have been a bad ol team......

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Re: The Best Player We missed out on in recent years?
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2009, 02:06:47 pm »
Alves, ronaldo, Villa....you think we'd still be on 19 now?

I mean Ronaldo in place of Dirk Kuyt doesn't bear thinking about but I think, as has been said, Dani Alves would have transformed our right flank, we may have had fewer clean sheets but more wins though..
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« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2009, 02:07:18 pm »
Also Jari Litmanen, the first time before he went to Barca. It seemed a fucking nailed on certainty that he was coming to us then.

Good call. Shame he didn't come to us from Ajax because he was on his prime back then. At Barcelona he spent a lot of time on the bench and was injured quite often.

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Re: The Best Player We missed out on in recent years?
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2009, 02:10:58 pm »
I wouldn't even have gone for Ronaldo - no guarentee he would have turned out the same way under Houllier or even Rafa.

Don't think Benitez would have had the same patience as Fergie with Ronaldo. He was often carried by the team and had next to no end product at all during his first season or two. Wouldn't be the player he is now.
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Re: The Best Player We missed out on in recent years?
« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2009, 02:10:59 pm »
Ronaldo has to be the top of this list.

At the time due to the state of our defence Desailly was a big one.

Not sure if we missed out so much as changed our minds but i though Rosicky was a missed opportunity as well (if he could stay fit).

If you believed reports we were in for Evra as well (along with Vidic). All big losses when you think about it.

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Alves           Carra       Agger           Evra

                   Masch       Alonso

Ronaldo              Gerrard             Rosicky

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Re: The Best Player We missed out on in recent years?
« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2009, 02:11:51 pm »
Samuel Eto'o. If memory serves me correct he was touting a move to the pool whilst at Mallorca saying it would be his dream to partner owen up front. Not sure if we made any enquiries though!

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Re: The Best Player We missed out on in recent years?
« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2009, 02:12:58 pm »
Didier Baptiste

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« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2009, 02:13:40 pm »
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Re: The Best Player We missed out on in recent years?
« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2009, 02:14:18 pm »
Ronaldo
Villa
Alves
Vidic.

and evra too apparently.  good old coco.  nothing like sitting on your hands when there's work to be done...

even more irritating that three of them ended up at our key rivals.

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Re: The Best Player We missed out on in recent years?
« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2009, 02:15:34 pm »
Souness was offered Cantona but thought against it.

Would have been a great signing for us and maybe might have stopped the mancs becoming what they are today!  :-\
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Re: The Best Player We missed out on in recent years?
« Reply #32 on: January 28, 2009, 02:16:39 pm »
Alves, ronaldo, Villa....you think we'd still be on 19 now?
To be honest, if we would have signed Ronaldo under Houllier, he wouldn't be here now due to the style of football we played.  Being slightly controversial, if Rafa had signed him, do you honestly think he would be playing like he does now?

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« Reply #33 on: January 28, 2009, 02:18:01 pm »
Simao for me, I think Alves is over rated. Very good player but seocnd best player in the world behind Messi? Do me a favour.

I think we needed and still do need Simao, for either flank.

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« Reply #34 on: January 28, 2009, 02:19:18 pm »
There's a fucking list and a half:

Ronaldo
Villa
Alves
Simao
Aguero
Vidic
Desailly
Rosicky
Malouda
Milito (Gabi)

Practically a whole team.
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« Reply #35 on: January 28, 2009, 02:20:59 pm »
Barry? :P

Ha ha ok seriously. Of modern times, Alves without a doubt.....£10 fucking million we baulked at (even Del Nido's quote "we are 15% away from an agreement") for a role that we've so sorely lacked for ages, and one we eventually filled with Pennant. Not to mention spending £9-point-something million for Dirk Kuyt a few weeks later. Not to mention refusing to resurrect the deal for Berbatov at the same time. 2006 was not a vintage year by any means.

Of 'ancient' times, it has to be Michael Laudrup - twice we 'almost' signed him, first time ('81ish) he'd all but signed until a late glitch on the length of the contract caused his agent/father to walk out of talks at Anfield and call Cruyff at Barca. And then when he was leaving there ('87ish), he was quoted as saying "I'll almost certainly sign for Liverpool next" before changing his mind and opting for Juve. A fantastic player, probably the best AM (Kenny aside) I ever saw live, even to me as a kid, the genius this guy had was obvious.
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Re: The Best Player We missed out on in recent years?
« Reply #36 on: January 28, 2009, 02:22:41 pm »
There was also Figo who Inter Milan got a decent season or two out of.

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« Reply #37 on: January 28, 2009, 02:23:55 pm »
Oh and Vidic doesn't count - as our 'second choice' turned out to be an equally world class CB.
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« Reply #38 on: January 28, 2009, 02:24:59 pm »
There was also Figo who Inter Milan got a decent season or two out of.
Can't blame him for letting his wife make the final decision though ;)
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« Reply #39 on: January 28, 2009, 02:28:22 pm »
We should have paid what Independiente wanted for Aguero.