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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #1840 on: June 4, 2013, 11:55:57 pm »
In revue, it's still hard to tell from which angle we are viewing the cathedral, but I'm starting to lean towards your train of thought.

If as you suggest, we're viewing the cathedral from the other angle ( I took it to be from the other was, near Parliament St) then it probably is Duke Street.

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #1841 on: June 5, 2013, 12:24:33 am »
I'm seriously struggling with that location, and a configuration of roads that bend to the left.

Been all over the pre-war maps, and thats a damn diffucult one to pin down, as there's loads of road configurations that bend to the right, but virtually none that bend left.

The odd ones that do, are just alleys, or in the wrong location.  :-\

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #1842 on: June 5, 2013, 12:26:37 am »
 :) Was almost convinced by your reasoning there, the angle does look wrong for it to be Duke Street though
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #1843 on: June 5, 2013, 12:50:06 am »
:) Was almost convinced by your reasoning there
I know.

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The reason the picture threw me, and I thought it was from the other angle is that I was thinking in terms of a Completed Cathedral.

It's not.

The Upper Duke Street end of the buildning is not yet completed and still under construction in that photo.

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #1844 on: June 5, 2013, 07:46:32 am »
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #1845 on: June 5, 2013, 09:00:23 am »

So that Lyons we can see must be the Hanover Street one, no 44 as on the sign.
I think that makes the view as possibly from up somewhere around Derby Square way.
Can't figure out that bend in the road though or even what road it is but with all that blitz damage evident, I suppose it could have been straightened when rebuilt.
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #1846 on: June 5, 2013, 12:03:49 pm »
Yeah that road with the bend to the left is too far away from the cathedral to be Duke Street isn't it. I was puzzling it last night as in the initial post when it was mooted to be from Parliament Street, that had me all kind of confused!

Great picture, wherever it is from!

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #1848 on: June 5, 2013, 01:31:04 pm »
Got me really snookered now then Gulley!

Cracking picture that - just really weird that nobody I've spoken to from that area has any recollection of it. Mind you, as I'm beginning to realise myself all too often these days, age really does play tricks on the memory!

I'm with you about it not looking like a gasworks too, and there are pics of the old Garston gasworks on Google that still dont look like that picture to me [the Luftwaffe dropped a suspected delayed action incendiary mine on it during the war, and there's various stories online about those brave [mad??] bomb disposal lads, and how they dealt with it all.

Anyhow, as I said earlier, I'll keep researching - totally intrigued now!
Think it is Garston. looking down St Mary's road as the white building looks like the TSB (now Lloyds bank). The Ariel parade of shops yet to be built.
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #1849 on: June 5, 2013, 01:36:10 pm »
Think it is Garston. looking down St Mary's road as the white building looks like the TSB (now Lloyds bank). The Ariel parade of shops yet to be built.
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #1850 on: June 5, 2013, 02:03:05 pm »
This has probably been shown before, but I just came across it.

http://www.flickr.com/groups/bwliverpool/pool/25985568@N04/
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #1851 on: June 5, 2013, 06:44:09 pm »
Right fella's, on review, and after the knowledge that the Lyons building is 44 Hanover Street, for me, the road and location in question can only be one of two. Gradwell Street, or Seel Street.

Gradwell Street, running towards Wolstenholm Square, has the more pronounced bend in the road, but at the Hanover Street end, is nothing more wide than a one lane track.

Seel Street, although we think of it as straight, does have two bends in it.   The bends arn't immediately noticable to the eye, but in the original photo,what I think has happened is that the lens on the camera has foreshortened the shot, and hence foreshortened the road making the kink in Seel Street look more pronounced.

So for me, the road in question is the bottom end of Seel street.

If you look at the map below, in blue is marked several 'works' including a foundry, a colour works, and a milling works, which would allow for the chimneys on the right side of the street, half way up just by the kink in the road.

On the opposite side of the road about the same distance up the street are more chimneys, of which, on the map are a Chemical laboratory, a distillery, and a cabinet works.

Last but not least.   In the very foreground of the original photo, there is a waggon side on, parked on a corner.
If you look at the original map, there is very few streets off that side of Hanover Street, and only one that almost ajoins a street oposite.  That is the one facing Seel street. (marked in red on the map)

So I reckon the original photographer is somewhere in the Paradise Street area, looking over the rooves along Seel Street from the bottom, towards the cathedral.

And oh yes, 44 Hanover is between Gradwell Street and Seel Street, in the 1900 Gore's directory that I have it's listed as Tyrer's Buildings.

That would put Lyon's building at number 44, on the corner of Hanover Street and Gradwell Street.  :wave
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #1852 on: June 5, 2013, 06:53:51 pm »
If you look at these two photo's.  The original Life photo from 1942, and the other one taken from the corner of Hanover Street and Duke Street from 1947, you can see Lyons building on the far left in the distance.


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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #1853 on: June 5, 2013, 07:51:07 pm »
I reckon yourself and Gulley have cracked it Richie. It would put the Cathedral in the right location too.
The Cathedral itself can't be seen on this 1924 photo (link below), but the Upper Duke St. side of the cemetery occupies the top right hand corner. Seel St. over on the right of the pic.


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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #1854 on: June 5, 2013, 08:09:52 pm »
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #1855 on: June 5, 2013, 08:17:07 pm »
These 2 pics contain the building that is alongside the flat-back lorry in the 'Life' shot.

In the first one it is shown on the extreme right. The second one is a Herdman of the same corner and the building is behind the lamp-post.

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #1856 on: June 6, 2013, 06:52:49 am »
Sorry to ask but who or what is a Herdman?

I thought it might be the name of the artist who did that water-colour - nice picture too - but Googled it and nothing arty appeared.
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #1857 on: June 6, 2013, 08:39:26 am »
Sorry to ask but who or what is a Herdman?

I thought it might be the name of the artist who did that water-colour - nice picture too - but Googled it and nothing arty appeared.

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #1858 on: June 6, 2013, 08:54:07 am »
Cheers Gulley mate.

I had never heard of him before which is surprising when you consider the quality of his paintings.
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #1859 on: June 6, 2013, 12:18:13 pm »
Johnno or anyone interested in Herdman.

The link below is to the British Museum site, if you enter 'herdman' in the search it should take you to a couple of examples of his work; underneath these is a further link: "see all results...."

The BM will e-mail high resolution (2500x1500ish) copies if you want them.

http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/collection_online/collection_search_results.aspx?searchText=herdman

just noticed it takes you to the Herdman work anyway, so ignore the instructions !
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #1860 on: June 6, 2013, 12:42:39 pm »
Thanks mate. Took a quick gander at the site - some lovely things there - right up my alley artwise.
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #1861 on: June 6, 2013, 01:31:13 pm »
They fill an A4 quite nicely and top quality too. If you register with them you can ask for as many of the pics as you wish - you'll likely get them within less than a day. Fill your walls with them.

Registration page link  http://www.britishmuseum.org/join_in/using_digital_images/using_digital_images.aspx

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #1862 on: June 6, 2013, 01:43:00 pm »
I have a couple of photos that I want to put on here,
what is the easiest way for an idiot to do it.
They are in My Photos folder in Windows 7.

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #1863 on: June 6, 2013, 02:30:12 pm »
This is a case of the blind leading the blind, but here goes.

First off with me is to make sure each photo doesn't exceed 200k.

Then when you go to 'Reply' and have posted the text of the message, you see underneath 'Attachments and other options'; hit that and a 'choose file' thingy appears. You hit the 'choose file' which takes you to your documents; find the 'My Photos' folder, pick which one you want and press the 'open' to attach it to your message. Then hit 'post.'
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #1864 on: June 6, 2013, 03:04:42 pm »
ta, will have a go.

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #1865 on: June 6, 2013, 03:20:51 pm »
photos are much too big, got to try and make them
smaller, way over 200.

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #1866 on: June 8, 2013, 06:03:11 pm »
Seventy odd added this week, many along these lines, including then and nows of the Beatles, and of me father in law in a biker gang on Smithdown Road in 1970, and still biking there 43 years later!  All sorts of other stuff from Tuebrook, Waterloo, Litherland, Seaforth, Bootle, Kirkdale, Town, etc etc etc


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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #1868 on: June 13, 2013, 08:30:00 pm »
You currently know it as the Isla Gladstone, in Stanley park.

http://www.buildingconservation.com/articles/stanley-park/stanley-park.htm

Those of us of a certain age, remember it as a bar in the 1980s called the Glasshouse.

I'm sure those of the auld arse generation remember it as something completely different.


It originally started life off in 1899, as the Gladstone Conservatory.  Like many such buildings of that era, a palm house or greenhouse for exotic species.


Then and now, about 113 years apart.

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #1869 on: June 13, 2013, 09:57:06 pm »
Superb them Richie. Is that the same place that was the Gladstone pub for a few months about 1988?

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« Reply #1870 on: June 14, 2013, 07:36:34 pm »
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« Reply #1872 on: June 15, 2013, 08:25:38 am »


Is that the Port of Liverpool building ?
I just saw it was completed in 1907  and very interested to learn that it was built by a Manchester firm - William Brown & Son.
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #1873 on: June 15, 2013, 08:52:09 am »
The Cavern, some of the old gits on here might be in that one, or maybe not around any more

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« Reply #1874 on: June 15, 2013, 10:35:52 am »
Is that the Port of Liverpool building ?
I just saw it was completed in 1907  and very interested to learn that it was built by a Manchester firm - William Brown & Son.

Yep....Port of Liverpool building in the foreground ..Albert Dock in the background...



another from the same collection...the old Nova Scotia area (now Mann Island) in the shadow of the same building



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« Reply #1875 on: June 15, 2013, 02:51:07 pm »
Is that the Port of Liverpool building ?
I just saw it was completed in 1907  and very interested to learn that it was built by a Manchester firm - William Brown & Son.

It was built by a Manchester dock as well !
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« Reply #1876 on: June 15, 2013, 03:02:09 pm »




Always wondered what happened to those little towers on the domed turrets.
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« Reply #1877 on: June 17, 2013, 04:31:06 pm »
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« Reply #1878 on: June 17, 2013, 09:34:34 pm »
Harsh times those two lived in...

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« Reply #1879 on: June 19, 2013, 09:07:51 pm »
Even I remember Shopper's Paradise lol

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