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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #760 on: November 20, 2007, 04:44:14 pm »
I respect your opinion. Although it is wrong. So wrong in fact, that I can't respect it. Sorry. You idiot.



You are typical.you not have arguments and you insult to the real fans shame on you.
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« Reply #761 on: November 20, 2007, 04:45:06 pm »
Good job I'm not Gartonite.

He sounds like he's in trouble. The tipico.

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #762 on: November 20, 2007, 04:47:30 pm »
You are tipico.you not have arguments and you insult to the real fans shame on you.
shame to a club liverpool.

listen mate i'm all for the banter, but calling someone a tipico is crossing the line
He never shows mercy, he would put 6 past your sons school team.

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #763 on: November 20, 2007, 04:48:12 pm »
Good job I'm not Gartonite.

He sounds like he's in trouble. The tipico.

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #764 on: November 20, 2007, 04:48:21 pm »
Whats a Tipico?


I am a yank who feels sooo lost :(
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #765 on: November 20, 2007, 04:50:32 pm »
Whats a Tipico?


I am a yank who feels sooo lost :(

Im a scouser and still havent got a clue!!

Maybe its a welsh term!!??  ;D
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #766 on: November 20, 2007, 04:52:03 pm »
Whats a Tipico?


I am a yank who feels sooo lost :(

Typical.  ::)

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #767 on: November 20, 2007, 04:52:40 pm »
Typical.  ::)

Shite eh?

I was expecting Spanish for c*nt.
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« Reply #768 on: November 20, 2007, 04:56:59 pm »
Shite eh?

I was expecting Spanish for c*nt.

Ohh! You mean 'Campo'.

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #769 on: November 20, 2007, 04:59:19 pm »
Ohh! You mean 'Campo'.

Really?

I would have thought that meant a noofter.
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« Reply #770 on: November 20, 2007, 04:59:40 pm »
My biggest problem with wacking out £17m on Masch is that we dont really need him. We have the monopoly on central-midfielders at the moment and with the options of Momo, Xabi, Gerrard & Lucas we have some excellent options. Although Masch does do his role excellently he doesnt have the passing range of Xabi, the drive of Gerrard, the potential of Lucas or the skills of Momo (ok the last one is a bit of a lie!). The combination of any of those four covers the absence of Masch for me.

Given the opportunity of spending this amount on Masch or a quality wide-man then I would go with the wideman everytime. We need to strenthen the areas of the team that are weak and central midfield certainly isnt one of those!
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #771 on: November 20, 2007, 05:01:22 pm »
My biggest problem with wacking out £17m on Masch is that we dont really need him. We have the monopoly on central-midfielders at the moment and with the options of Momo, Xabi, Gerrard & Lucas we have some excellent options

Other than the fact that he is a better defensive midfielder than the lot of them?

Lucas aside, as I haven't seen enough of him.
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #772 on: November 20, 2007, 05:04:24 pm »
My biggest problem with wacking out £17m on Masch is that we dont really need him. We have the monopoly on central-midfielders at the moment and with the options of Momo, Xabi, Gerrard & Lucas we have some excellent options. Although Masch does do his role excellently he doesnt have the passing range of Xabi, the drive of Gerrard, the potential of Lucas or the skills of Momo (ok the last one is a bit of a lie!). The combination of any of those four covers the absence of Masch for me.

Given the opportunity of spending this amount on Masch or a quality wide-man then I would go with the wideman everytime. We need to strenthen the areas of the team that are weak and central midfield certainly isnt one of those!


Assuming this wide man is worth it and most importantly available for this price, and also assuming we cannot afford anyone else, who is this wide midfielder?

Harry Kewell does not count, BTW, apparantly he is already signed up!
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #773 on: November 20, 2007, 05:19:32 pm »
Quote from: Garstonite on Today at 03:15:46 PM
I respect your opinion. Although it is wrong. So wrong in fact, that I can't respect it. Sorry. You idiot.




You are typical.you not have arguments and you insult to the real fans shame on you.
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #774 on: November 20, 2007, 05:20:08 pm »
Quote from: Garstonite on Today at 03:15:46 PM
I respect your opinion. Although it is wrong. So wrong in fact, that I can't respect it. Sorry. You idiot.




You are typical.you not have arguments and you insult to the real fans shame on you.
shame to a club liverpool.you mate need counselling    ( GARSTONITE )

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #775 on: November 20, 2007, 05:21:06 pm »
You are typical.you not have arguments and you insult to the real fans shame on you.
shame to a club liverpool.you mate need counselling    ( GARSTONITE )

You are welcome to your own set of opinions but it's clear that Mascherano is a much better all round player than Momo.

I like Momo, a lot. It's just that Mascherano is a step ahead.
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #776 on: November 20, 2007, 05:30:09 pm »
i have poblems writing in english .this is unnessessary justice from some minority people. i'm not deserve this .

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #777 on: November 20, 2007, 05:31:43 pm »
We could speak in your native tongue if you want? I speak 37 different languages.

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« Reply #778 on: November 20, 2007, 05:33:47 pm »
I use google translators :)
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #779 on: November 20, 2007, 05:34:23 pm »
Same.

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #780 on: November 20, 2007, 05:36:08 pm »
We could speak in your native tongue if you want? I speak 37 different languages.


muy bien amigo por que tienes tan poco respeto a los demas. por que no conparten tu misma opinion . puedes contestarme si lo deceas...

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« Reply #781 on: November 20, 2007, 05:38:55 pm »
Ah Spanish. Sound.

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« Reply #782 on: November 20, 2007, 05:42:35 pm »
Ah Spanish. Sound.

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« Reply #783 on: November 20, 2007, 05:43:27 pm »
Same to you, Juan. :wave

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« Reply #784 on: November 20, 2007, 06:20:10 pm »
Same to you, Juan. :wave

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« Reply #785 on: November 20, 2007, 07:41:34 pm »
WHERE IS THE NEAREST PUB?

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #786 on: November 20, 2007, 08:24:16 pm »
:lmao I'm loving this thread today. It's like watching the utter c*nts in the first round of the X-Factor, except with several Simon Cowells all in a very foul mood. Ace.
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« Reply #787 on: November 20, 2007, 08:57:07 pm »
How come anyone who makes a fair valid point on here that differs from " it's worth paying the money for Mascharano"
is met with the height of abuse, isn't this supposed to a a place where all peoples points of view are respected even if you dont agree with them. None of the points mentioned on here have mentioned Mascharano being a bad player far from it in fact they have all praised the good job he has done, lets face it we all want him in an ideal world, the point myself and other people are trying to make is the money situation at the club.
 The part causing most concern is if we spend what money we do have on Mascharano (17 million) how much is going to be left available to strengthen parts of the team ( Centre Half, Winger, Forward) which for me is a much bigger priority than a position in which we already have massive strength. Surely that is a valid point and in no way any sort of negative dig at Mascharano or his ability as a footballer, Yes it would hurt if we never got him but surely it would hurt alot more if we did buy him and never had enough money in the pot in the summer to buy maybe a Richards, Queresma or top class forward that will take the team up to the next level, as mentioned before our record of keeping clean sheets is there for all to see wether Mascharano was there or not surely that must say something.
One last point is regarding the unfair stick Momo Sissoko has took, This is a young lad still finding his way in the English game and in that time has had a career threatening injury to his eye which near cost him his sight altogether never mind career and please take into consideration he did this playing for our great club, also he had a terrible shoulder dislocation which seemed to badly effect his confidence also. Now we all know Momo cant pass but lets give him support and time to get it right instead of talking about getting shut, I honestly believe he can still be that very same player we all thought he could be after his first season, lets face it out of all the central midfielders we have on our books nobody has a high energy, in your face, no nonesense game like his ask Deco, Xavi and Michael Ballack who all tried mixing it with him and all failed miserably, lets give him a chance to live up to the song of the "best midfield in the world".

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« Reply #788 on: November 20, 2007, 10:06:00 pm »
How come anyone who makes a fair valid point on here that differs from " it's worth paying the money for Mascharano"
is met with the height of abuse, isn't this supposed to a a place where all peoples points of view are respected even if you dont agree with them. None of the points mentioned on here have mentioned Mascharano being a bad player far from it in fact they have all praised the good job he has done, lets face it we all want him in an ideal world, the point myself and other people are trying to make is the money situation at the club.
 

Because every time we spend big money on a player the general cries are: -
"He's not good enough for Chelsea or United, so why are we forking out X for him, we should be paying the extra for the best"
"Why are we buying him, he's no better than what we have"
"Is he really worth that amount, is he really world class.  Shouldn't we be getting someone who is world class for that amount of money"

When it comes down to it, in each of the three scenarios above is that Maschereno does satisfy the criteria.  He would get into any squad in the world, let alone England (although maybe not the powerhouse midfield of West Ham, with their Quashie's, et al); he is better than what we have at what he does, displayed by the fact that he will always challenge for a place in our best 11; and he is world class and is worth the money.

You want to win the title, then in this day and age you have to compete in the transfer market and get the players you want.  Torres was one we wanted and got, and he satisfies all the above criteria too.  Maschereno is another who does, and we should secure his services as soon as we can.

On the flip side, if we fail it will not be thje end of the world, as one player will never win you a title alone, but we certainly won't be any closer to winning it.  We may need a wide left player, we may need a centre half, but that does take away the benefits of buying Maschereno.

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« Reply #789 on: November 20, 2007, 10:18:16 pm »
Yes it would hurt if we never got him but surely it would hurt alot more if we did buy him and never had enough money in the pot in the summer to buy maybe a Richards, Queresma or top class forward that will take the team up to the next level

I think I'd die inside if we let Mascherano go so we could buy a sulking, flattering-to-deceive winger who didn't score in the last 4 months of domestic football last season, or a bully-boy centre half with all the poise, finesse and culture of a sledgehammer to the bollocks.
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« Reply #790 on: November 20, 2007, 10:34:26 pm »
Ah Spanish. Sound.

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Same to you, Juan. :wave
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« Reply #791 on: November 20, 2007, 10:36:43 pm »
Don't be a ignorant prick just cause he dissagres with you :wanker

Oh come of it. He's talking balls about Mascherano, I really like Momo but Mascherano is a different class.

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« Reply #792 on: November 20, 2007, 10:40:10 pm »
I  really hope masch signs , but i think some wheeler dealing has to go on between liverpool and his agents to try and get a better deal for liverpool .

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« Reply #793 on: November 20, 2007, 10:46:28 pm »
Oh come of it. He's talking balls about Mascherano, I really like Momo but Mascherano is a different class.

It's not about opinions, it's about seeing what is obvious.
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« Reply #794 on: November 20, 2007, 11:44:28 pm »
Right, for those who think spending 17m (quoted) on Masch is unwise, let's look through this rationally.


What does Masch do for us?

1) Is a specialist in the holding midfield role. We do not have anyone else who can do the same, Alonso and Luca are continental playmakers, Gerrard is not suitably disciplined and Momo plays far higher up the park in terms of breaking up play. All very useful for different types of games, but no one can fulfill this specialist role that Masch does.

2) Masch has had time in the premier league, the champions league, playing within Liverpool FC and living in Liverpool as a city. The fact that he appears so happy even though he has played maybe 40% of games he could have this year surely means he is a reliable asset.

3) He is still very very young for such a position, another 10 years at the top level would not be unusual for a holding midfielder.

Granted, having 5 players of such quality, potential or otherwise could cause problems in the mid-long term. So may I suggest we see how the short term develops until the close season and make the decision to get shot of one, perhaps Momo? Then buy another up and coming player, or start blooding Guthrie or Spearing into the first team squad. Then start over next year.

If indeed we do lose one, being realistic we should get £7-8M for Momo, assuming he gets enough games to showcase his undoubted talent. Now while this bit is all speculation, we would have to pay around £9m net for Masch's services.



As for whether this sort of money would be wiser spent on an attacking force, do you think £9M spent elsewhere in the squad will offer the same sort of influence as a top top quality holding midfielder of which I struggle to think of someone as good and as commited as Masch. Gutusso perhaps?

Is it really worth the risk of bringing in a fancy pants like Nani for example at the expense of keeping Masch, bearing in mind the cost and high risk nature of such a signing?
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It looks to me as if we have signed another 'average' player. I'll hold back my complete opinion until I see the lad play

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« Reply #795 on: November 20, 2007, 11:48:44 pm »
The reason we're so strong in the centre of midfield is because of Mascherano.

Momo is not the same player he was in 05/06 and has shown no signs of recovering that form this season. Why we would let Mascherano go when he is desperate to stay I don't know. This player is becoming an integral member of the squad, is 23 and has shown already that he has the determination and mentality to succeed.

He's a genuinely world class player and not signing him would be a disaster.

Those who claim we shouldn't sign him because the money should go elsewhere are wrong. So wrong, in fact, that I question whether you have any grasp of football or simply decide who's good by how quickly they can run.
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« Reply #796 on: November 21, 2007, 12:08:59 am »
oh ok, well he can play every game can he? He can play as well as Masch at tackling can he?

put the glue down mate

A superb player seldom needs to tackle because of his excellent reading of the game, he breaks up play instead, Alonso falls into this category.

As good as Mascherano is, he has a long way to go before he reaches Alonso`s level, to be honest I don't think he ever will.

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« Reply #797 on: November 21, 2007, 12:19:47 am »
As good as Mascherano is, he has a long way to go before he reaches Alonso`s level, to be honest I don't think he ever will.

Reaching his level in terms of what?
It looks to me as if we have signed another 'average' player. I'll hold back my complete opinion until I see the lad play

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« Reply #798 on: November 21, 2007, 12:20:27 am »
Reaching his level in terms of what?

Being a good midfielder.

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« Reply #799 on: November 21, 2007, 12:24:49 am »
Being a good midfielder.

But they're different types of midfielder. Mascherano is better in the holding role, Alonso is at his best further forward. They're both superb players that we should be hanging onto.
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