Topic: Javier Mascherano

[Something Else]

Lampard won rave reviews all because he had no dirty work because of Makelele, this year Fabregas is playing superb but need Flamini, who is having a stormer too to play in behind him

we can have all the attacking players we want but without a player like Masch if our midfield over commit we get into the relms of you score 4 so we will have to score 5

masch is by far the best player in the world at sitting infront of the defense and reading the game from there.

Many times he has been invovled in starting moves that leads to cahnces or goals by clever interceptions, grweat tackles or just being in the right place at the right time

With the quality of Masch in behind Gerrard it gives SG the chance to roam and play more of a free role at which Rafa has wanted him to for so long, hence dep[loying him on the right.

Look at all the great teams who have won something recently and the majority if not all will have a Mascherano type player and all of them want him.

[Aldridge 8]

With the quality of Masch in behind Gerrard it gives SG the chance to roam and play more of a free role

is alonso out then?

[-HH-]

A Seven Nation Army couldn't hold him back.

[Redcap]

is alonso out then?

Question: Do you think Alonso can do everything Mascherano can do, as close to as well as he can do?

[Macedonian_Red]

is alonso out then?

No ... It just means we will see a lot more of 4-5-1 and 4-3-3 formation in the future ...

[ˇBasta Ya!]

I'm a big supporter of Momo (no shit you say) but if it came down to it and we had to sell him to fund signing Mascherano I would do it in an instant.

Players of Mascherano's calibre do not come around very often. He has the potential to be literally as good as it gets in his position.

That's exactly the way I see it.

[Giono]

That's exactly the way I see it.

Indeed.  Considering that we need to shore-up other positions, I can see us selling a midfielder to make room for the sake of the balance of the team. Not because Sissoko is suddenly crap but because Mascherano is a great player and becasue we need the cash to buy a central defender and a forward.



 

[Something Else]

is alonso out then?

oh ok, well he can play every game can he? He can play as well as Masch at tackling can he?

put the glue down mate

[GRGW]

Think Momo will be sold and Lucas promoted to fourth choice Center Mid. 

Rafa in the past has frequently played with 2 defensive minded center mids, so I think that Xabi and Masch will play together more often, especially big games, with Gerrard moving to the right or free role with one up front.

[red----bull]

I said and I repeat mascherano not worth even half of what they ask for is a good player but it is very limited classic defendar player .
i said he will be a good signing because hi is a good player. not for 18 millions .only time will tell.

[red----bull]

sorry mate. MOMO is musch better than MASCHERANO and is only 23 and he has only been a midfielder since he was 19 for fo··sakes. He was a forward for Auxerre before Rafa converted him to a holding midfielder at Valencia.

And he hasn't been just an average holding midfielder either. Ask Barcelona and Juve.

I am not going to be quick to call the end of Sissoko's development. Not when he has learned a new position so well in two foreign leagues at such high levels in league play and in Europe.

He's an outstanding athlete and young. We need to give him some time. MOMO is top class player....

[ˇBasta Ya!]

Oh boy. You're gunna get it now.

[Hightown Phil]

sorry mate. MOMO is musch better than MASCHERANO

[Juan Loco]

sorry mate. MOMO is musch better than MASCHERANO and is only 23 and he has only been a midfielder since he was 19 for fo··sakes. He was a forward for Auxerre before Rafa converted him to a holding midfielder at Valencia.

And he hasn't been just an average holding midfielder either. Ask Barcelona and Juve.

I am not going to be quick to call the end of Sissoko's development. Not when he has learned a new position so well in two foreign leagues at such high levels in league play and in Europe.

He's an outstanding athlete and young. We need to give him some time. MOMO is top class player....

The comments aren't wrong.... ... just about the wrong player.

[red----bull]

thanks for your very interesting comentary 

[Finn Solomon]

sorry mate. MOMO is musch better than MASCHERANO and is only 23 and he has only been a midfielder since he was 19 for fo··sakes. He was a forward for Auxerre before Rafa converted him to a holding midfielder at Valencia.

Okay...so what does this show? Tons of guys have switched positions before, Rooney used to be a keeper. Just because Sissoko managed to do it doesn't mean anything.

And he hasn't been just an average holding midfielder either. Ask Barcelona and Juve.

He wasn't a holding midfielder in those games, he was a destroyer who disrupted play. There's a huge difference.

I am not going to be quick to call the end of Sissoko's development. Not when he has learned a new position so well in two foreign leagues at such high levels in league play and in Europe.

Ball control and intelligent passing, two things Sissoko lacks and is so crucial for his position, is mostly innate talent. You can learn it, but it takes time. And we don't have that kind of time. Credit that he has adjusted to the English league, but then again so has Mascherano after years in South America. At least Momo had the benefit of European league experience, yet he's no better than Masch.

He's an outstanding athlete and young. We need to give him some time. MOMO is top class player....

I do agree, he needs time. But hey, if Juve came a-callin' with a 10m bid for Momo, I'd snap their hand off. If they wanted Masch, I'd tell them to go to hell.

[CarlitoB]

sorry mate. MOMO is musch better than MASCHERANO and is only 23 and he has only been a midfielder since he was 19 for fo··sakes. He was a forward for Auxerre before Rafa converted him to a holding midfielder at Valencia.

And he hasn't been just an average holding midfielder either. Ask Barcelona and Juve.

I am not going to be quick to call the end of Sissoko's development. Not when he has learned a new position so well in two foreign leagues at such high levels in league play and in Europe.

He's an outstanding athlete and young. We need to give him some time. MOMO is top class player....

Looks like you picked the wrong week to not quit sniffing glue.

[trezax]

I do agree, he needs time. But hey, if Juve came a-callin' with a 10m bid for Momo, I'd snap their hand off. If they wanted Masch, I'd tell them to go to hell.

Exactly!! well said mate !!

Momo is a good player but he needs to go because we only need world class players in midfield. As simple as that !!

sorry mate. MOMO is musch better than MASCHERANO and is only 23 and .........

Sorry mate but i got to cut here because there is no point in keep reading what's following.

Just ask anyone anywhere in the globe who are the 3 best defensive midfielders in the world and they'll answer you the name of Mascherano, with surely either Essien or Makelele and possibly Gattuso. Anyway, the only certainty is Mascherano's name.

[red----bull]

Okay...so what does this show? Tons of guys have switched positions before, Rooney used to be a keeper. Just because Sissoko managed to do it doesn't mean anything.

He wasn't a holding midfielder in those games, he was a destroyer who disrupted play. There's a huge difference.

Ball control and intelligent passing, two things Sissoko lacks and is so crucial for his position, is mostly innate talent. You can learn it, but it takes time. And we don't have that kind of time. Credit that he has adjusted to the English league, but then again so has Mascherano after years in South America. At least Momo had the benefit of European league experience, yet he's no better than Masch.

I do agree, he needs time. But hey, if Juve came a-callin' with a 10m bid for Momo, I'd snap their hand off. If they wanted Masch, I'd tell them to go to hell.

i do not agree with your , but i do respect you opinion.
my honest opinion is i will not pay more than 8 millions for MASCHERANO.....

[macmanamanaman]

I don't think anybody is arguing who the best defensive midfielder in the world is <Refer Fact>

But the real question is how much is the best defensive midfielder worth to Liverpool?

Imho, one of Liverpool's problems is the lack of drive from Midfield. We "control" the game but hardly ever do you see midfielders (or even forwards!) bomb into the box in numbers in anticipation of a cross/through ball.
If we are to keep 3 top class defensively inclined central midfield options in our squad, then we have to play with at least 2 defensive midfielders most games (as Rafa was wont to do at Valencia) to keep them ALL happy with enough playing time. But then, we need TOP quality goalscoring wide men (wingers/fullbacks)  to make up the lack of thrust from central midfield. And these don't come cheap.


The other alternative is to make do with our existing forward and wide men but sacrifice one of the defensive midfielders for a more offensive (goalscoring!) minded one, like Gerrard and/or Lucas ( at least positionally, to make up the numbers in and around the opposition box).

But it is difficult to part with the best defensive midfielder in the world. Esp when having him we can allow our attacking players to bomb forward with more certainty knowing he is back to cover.

Which is why I think Momo's days at Liverpool are numbered 



...that or we use the  18 million odd quid from Masch's non-purchase to get a quality creative wide player
Can't have your cake AND eat it.




...that or we are absolutely rolling in moolah and can keep BOTH Masch AND Momo AND get that quality creative wide player (I miss the Quaresma thread!)


Cake, icing, cherry and eat!

 

[Finn Solomon]

I think Arbeloa and Aurelio have been performing admirably as attacking fullbacks, making up for our caution in the center of the park.

[Hightown Phil]

thanks for your very interesting comentary 

If you genuinely think that, then there's no pointing saying anything. As you're wrong.

Very wrong.

[Istanbul Therapy Group]

If anyone believes momo is a superior player in anyway to mascherano i fear for them.

Masc would walk into any team in the world, except if hayden mullins or reo coker currently occupy either of their CM berths

[red----bull]

If you genuinely think that, then there's no pointing saying anything. As you're wrong.

Very wrong.


I know what I am toking i'm Spanish that I live in spain. and for four years I look at the Latin American leagues and i no very well mascherano and in my opinion is a player who  personally I do not like nothing has nothing special. so defend and nothing else, this is my opinion

[Finn Solomon]

Masc would walk into any team in the world, except if hayden mullins or reo coker currently occupy either of their CM berths

[red----bull]

I know what I am toking i'm Spanish that I live in spain. and for four years I look at the Latin American leagues and i no very well mascherano and in my opinion is a player who  personally I do not like nothing has nothing special. so defend and nothing else, this is my opinion

[Hightown Phil]

Well I've seen him play and I know what I'm talking about.

[Something Else]

I know what I am toking i'm Spanish that I live in spain. and for four years I look at the Latin American leagues and i no very well mascherano and in my opinion is a player who  personally I do not like nothing has nothing special. so defend and nothing else, this is my opinion

do you do stand up?

[ˇBasta Ya!]

I know what I am toking

All I know is it's hard stuff that you're toking.

[trezax]

Mascherano is better than Sissoko and will always be.
There is no point talking about it. It just common sense.

How dare you say he is not ? Didn't you see Marseille game ? Didn't you see the World Cup ? Didn't you see the Chelsea game 2nd leg ? Didn't you see the CL Final ?? Do you watch American football or soccer

[red----bull]

Mascherano is better than Sissoko and will always be.
There is no point talking about it. It just common sense.

How dare you say he is not ? Didn't you see Marseille game ? Didn't you see the World Cup ? Didn't you see the Chelsea game 2nd leg ? Didn't you see the CL Final ?? Do you watch American football or soccer

yes. what is you point. my point his is a very ordinary player.
let's not argue .respet please eny body opinions

[Garstonite]

I respect your opinion. Although it is wrong. So wrong in fact, that I can't respect it. Sorry. You idiot.

[Johnnyboy1973]

I've read some good 'uns today.

Crouch is worth 20 million

Sissoko is better than Mashcerano

True comedy this place.

[Skillz]

Question: Do you think Alonso can do everything Mascherano can do, as close to as well as he can do?

Yes. Xabi is the better player.........so far.

[Garstonite]

Yes. Xabi is the better player.........so far.

I don't see the point in 'Player X is better than Player Y' arguments - particularly when Player X and Y belong to you, anyway - but who would you feel more secure with as a holding midfield player, Javi or Xabi? If you've got three brain cells or more, the answer will be Javi.

[MolbysBigBelly]

He was a forward for Auxerre before Rafa converted him to a holding midfielder at Valencia.

The reason he was converted to a defensive midfielder is because he didn't score enough goals to be a striker.

And if you really want to use your particular argument, then the same applies to Masch.  He started out as a striker but reaslised he wasn't good enough in that position.

[-HH-]

I respect your opinion. Although it is wrong. So wrong in fact, that I can't respect it. Sorry. You idiot.

[Skillz]

I don't see the point in 'Player X is better than Player Y' arguments - particularly when Player X and Y belong to you, anyway - but who would you feel more secure with as a holding midfield player, Javi or Xabi? If you've got three brain cells or more, the answer will be Javi.

I agree. If the sole description of the required player is "holding". Xabi does that job very well IMO and a lot more. Without going into detail on that point I will just point out I rate Xabi as our most important player.

MAsher plays better when he plays with Xabi, IMO as almost everyone does. I actually think Masher needs quality around him to do his best work. He has played really well with SG lately, and looks to be developing nicely as a more rounded player.

However Xabi and Stevie are our best Midfielders IMO. All 3 will play all tough games though!

[red----bull]

I respect your opinion. Although it is wrong. So wrong in fact, that I can't respect it. Sorry. You idiot.

You are tipico.you not have arguments and you insult to the real fans shame on you.
shame to a club liverpool.

[Garstonite]

club liverpool.

Drinks are freeeeeeeee.