Topic: Radio city announcment

[Chindits]

fantstic news it will piss on the bitters/mancs an any other fucker

[mike1975]

if they cut the ticket prices your right more people will come because of this they will have more spare cash to spend on merchandise, which is where the clubs make most of there profit

[BrianFantana]

true, but just saying the incentives aren't what they used to be. and where as now the major benefit of being a ST holder at anfield is a guarenteed ticket for the game (obviously!) in an 80,000 seater tickets will be more easily available and the need for a ST to guarentee a seat will not be such an issue. then add to the fact that a fancard holder has the same oppurtunity to getting hold of tickets for the big games (eg Barca) and the rush to snap up a season ticket may not be as high as it seems. always gonna have the core 30,000 supporters who will buy them but past that unless prices reduce to a more realistic price for younger kids. may be difficult shifting so many more. and thats unlikely as the yanks have said prices will go up!

[Alan_X]

Radio City have just stated that Liverpool plan to see about adding an extra 20,000 seats to the new ground in Stanley Park taking the Capacity to 80,000 they said the board had a meeting last week to discuss the situation.

Has any one asked where they got their information from?... I just hope it's not from trawling round Liverpool Websites!

[Joe Rogans Chin]

if they cut the ticket prices your right more people will come because of this they will have more spare cash to spend on merchandise, which is where the clubs make most of there profit

Clubs get most of their income from TV money & Gate recipts, mecrhandise is way down the list.

[shanklyboy]

Barclays League Division One 1987-1988
 
 Club                      Average vs '87
 1 Liverpool          39.582     7,9%
 2 Manchester United       39.152    - 2,5%
 3 Arsenal          29.910     3,1%
 4 Everton          27.771    -15,7%
 5 Tottenham Hotspur       25.921     0,2%
 6 Newcastle United       21.059    -15,1%
 7 Chelsea          20.118    13,7%
 8 West Ham United       19.802    - 3,9%
 9 Sheffield Wednesday                    19.797    -14,5%
10 Nottingham Forest       19.670     3,1%
11 Coventry City                       17.509     8,6%
12 Derby County                       15.942    - 9,2%
14 Portsmouth          15.923     NEW
15 Southampton                       14.544    - 0,3%
16 Watford          14.530    - 8,0%
17 Queens Park Rangers                         13.268    12,9%
18 Charlton Athletic                                     8.685    - 3,6%
19 Oxford United                                       8.355    -19,3%
20 Luton Town                        8.039     -21,6%
21 Wimbledon           7.995     2,4%
   Total                                                    19.273    - 2,6%

Barclays League Division One 1988-1989
 
 Club                            Average vs '88
 1 Liverpool          38.706    - 1,1%
 2 Manchester United       36.474    - 7,9%
 3 Arsenal          35.593    19,0%
 4 Everton          27.787     0,1%
 5 Tottenham Hotpsur       24.469    - 5,6%
 6 Aston Villa          23.310     NEW
 7 Newcastle United       22.815     8,3%
 8 Nottingham Forest       20.785     5,7%
 9 West Ham United       20.743     4,8%
10 Sheffield Wednesday                    20.035     1,2%
11 Middlesbrough                                    19.985     NEW
12 Derby County                                    17.714     3,2%
13 Norwich City                                    16.783     5,3%
14 Coventry City                                    16.061    - 8,3%
15 Southampton                                    15.584     7,2%
16 Millwall          15.470     NEW
17 Queens Park Rangers                    12.355    - 6,9%
18 Charlton Athletic                        9.419     8,5%
19 Luton Town           9.356    16,4%
20 Wimbledon           7.768    - 2,8%
(EDIT- Hope you can follow the above as I can't get them to line up once I have posted it)


Those are the average attendances for roughly 20 years ago. If we were having this discussion at that time then even a 60,000 capacity would have it's critics. I hear fans claiming 'We won't fill it for midweek Carling Cup games' as if thats a logical enough reason for not building it. For every game against Raggedy arse Rovers that people say we won't sell out, there will be many , many more where we do.Historically we never sold out for the 'lesser' games so I don't see the relevance at all. 
A workable pricing structure for tickets and a maximising of Season ticket applications, whatever level the true figures are, is a necessity for a ground this size.
I had a look at The Texas Rangers site to see what sort of structure they have over there for their tickets and it's mind blowing.
I'll put the link at the bottom of this post but if they can adapt some of those ideas into our new ground then I don't think 70/80,000 would prove too much of a problem to achieve.
As a quick example how would you like to print your own ticket off on your computer for the game of your choice? Or have a family ticket for up to 4 that included  4 jumbo hotdogs and a large coke from approx £40.00.
I know the ticket prices over there are lower than ours but if you look at the site it gives an idea of the way that they think. They have under 13s tickets for about £2.00 and the cheapest adult ticket is approx £4.00.
All tickets and packages, some of which are amazing , can be bought on-line.
Given their expertise in this area I'm sure they will have baulked at the new stadium capacity knowing what can be done to maximise income. In addition to this they will have looked at the fanaticism of our support and wondered how they can tap into this. As I've mentioned in previous posts, I doubt for one minute if a businessman would turn down customers who are queuing up to part with their money if they can help it.

http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=tex

[Kaizer]

Great point, I have never understood this attitude that because we now only have 45000 seats we will have problems filling more than 60000 seats, for me that is the losers attitude and vision.

You can create a demand, that should be the way to look at things.

[redchiz]

Barclays League Division One 1987-1988
   Club          Average vs '87
 1 Liverpool          39.582     7,9% etc.

These were the post-Heysel years, when football support in this country was just about at its nadir.

[Stretch Armstrong]

How much does an ST cost?  Cheers

My MS seasie was about £570 before a certain date afterwards it would cost £610

[the red rebel]

surely the owners would do market surveys, ie questionaires at anfield and round the city to gauge the  demand for x number of season tickets, id love 2 if offered them tomorrow, obviously the cost would have to be "affordable" an by that not much more than the 600 quid the currents ones cost.

if the yanks think they can screw us on cost theyll get their fingers seriously burnt.

[shanklyboy]

These were the post-Heysel years, when football support in this country was just about at its nadir.

Here are the figures for 30 years ago.

Division One 1977-1978

   Club                           Average vs '77
 1 Manchester United       51.860    - 3,4%
 2 Liverpool          45.546    - 3,5%
 3 Manchester City                       41.687     4,1%
 4 Everton          39.513     31,5%
 5 Aston Villa          35.464    - 6,1%
 6 Arsenal          35.446     8,5%
 7 Nottingham Forest       32.501      NEW
 8 Leeds United                        29.186   - 4,4%
 9 Chelsea          28.734     NEW
10 West Ham United       25.620   - 1,7%
11 Newcastle United       24.729    -26,4%
12 West Bromwich Albion                    24.126    - 1,6%
13 Birmingham City                       23.911    -15,6%
14 Ipswich Town                       23.586    -11,6%
15 Bristol City                       23.357    - 0,7%
16 Coventry City                       23.353     9,9%
17 Derby County                       23.345    - 6,6%
18 Wolverhampton Wanderers    22.311     NEW
19 Queens Park Rangers       19.941    - 5,3%
20 Middlesbrough                      19.874    - 7,5%
21 Norwich City                      19.366    -13,2%
22 Leicester City                      17.768    - 5,5%
   Total                         28.692    - 2,4%

[nidgemo]

Clubs get most of their income from TV money & Gate recipts, mecrhandise is way down the list.

From the recently published annual report...

5 major revenue streams

Cup competitions comes 1st, closely followed by Prem League TV and league related match turnover (tickets). Sponsorship 4th and retail bringing in the least money of the 5.

[trussell1982]

Just in case your interested.

http://www.radiocity.co.uk/Article.asp?PT=News+%26+Sport&id=368511

[Alan_X]

From a friend who was fairly senior at Laing O'Rourke:

"Al,

Just spoke to our man on the inside and apparently 60,000 was a limit
set by the council based on infra structure, and the chance of causing
gridlock in Liverpool, 65,000 a potential compromise but from a cost
point of view was thought to be prohibitive, anyway you were close to
the mark with the change bit, as the Americans have looked at the scheme
and want to get more than 2hs a week out of it and up the spec so that
the visitors get more than a pie and food poisoning etc. All well and
good but I hate the idea of cheer leaders.... well at football matches
anyway, I did once see a " minority interest " movie that had a few
cheerleaders in it in various states of undress..."

[BrianFantana]

think that the way the shanklyboy puts it with regard to packages for individual games will be the emphasis rather than season ticket sales. will be more like the 'anfield experience for the family' were the actual match isnt the beginning and the end. will be more entertainment on show with fanzones were people can interact with the club. things along them lines.

[philyburkhill]

I don't think we'd sell out for night games against someone like Bolton, but I think we'd get over 70k for most matches. Barca don't exactly sell out their ground every game either.

[Brian Blessed]

From the recently published annual report...

5 major revenue streams

Cup competitions comes 1st, closely followed by Prem League TV and league related match turnover (tickets). Sponsorship 4th and retail bringing in the least money of the 5.

Nice. Merchandise definately has room for growth. I didn't realise that sponsorship was that much.

[¡Basta Ya!]

I don't think we'd sell out for night games against someone like Bolton, but I think we'd get over 70k for most matches. Barca don't exactly sell out their ground every game either.

To be fair to them, they have nearly 100k seats

[¡Basta Ya!]

From a friend who was fairly senior at Laing O'Rourke:

"Al,

Just spoke to our man on the inside and apparently 60,000 was a limit
set by the council based on infra structure, and the chance of causing
gridlock in Liverpool, 65,000 a potential compromise but from a cost
point of view was thought to be prohibitive, anyway you were close to
the mark with the change bit, as the Americans have looked at the scheme
and want to get more than 2hs a week out of it and up the spec so that
the visitors get more than a pie and food poisoning etc. All well and
good but I hate the idea of cheer leaders.... well at football matches
anyway, I did once see a " minority interest " movie that had a few
cheerleaders in it in various states of undress..."

Nice one Al, so it appears something is going on - but nobody really knows what, yet.

[nidgemo]

From a friend who was fairly senior at Laing O'Rourke:

"Al,

Just spoke to our man on the inside and apparently 60,000 was a limit
set by the council based on infra structure, and the chance of causing
gridlock in Liverpool, 65,000 a potential compromise but from a cost
point of view was thought to be prohibitive, anyway you were close to
the mark with the change bit, as the Americans have looked at the scheme
and want to get more than 2hs a week out of it and up the spec so that
the visitors get more than a pie and food poisoning etc. All well and
good but I hate the idea of cheer leaders.... well at football matches
anyway, I did once see a " minority interest " movie that had a few
cheerleaders in it in various states of undress..."

So, now I'm a minority...

[Wewonit6times]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/6450893.stm

Liverpool's new owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett have halted work on their proposed new stadium and ordered a review of the plans.
BBC Sport understands the pair want to examine ways of increasing the 60,000 capacity of the arena in Stanley Park near their Anfield home.

Preparatory work has started on the ground, but major external changes would need a new planning application.

Liverpool's new ground is currently expected to cost around £215m.

[Alan_X]

It's all you fuckers who were at the Barca match... Gillett and Hicks must think it's like that every time. They should have been at Portsmouth - we'd be looking at a smaller ground with a massive away end instead of a bigger Kop....   

[Raul!]

It's all you fuckers who were at the Barca match... Gillett and Hicks must think it's like that every time. They should have been at Portsmouth - we'd be looking at a smaller ground with a massive away end instead of a bigger Kop....   

And the cheerleaders singing that singularly mind-numbing 'play up Pompey" drone to the accompaniment of a clutch of drummer boys.

[todda]

The Bigger the better I say as I only now have a Fancard as I live on the Isle of Man and have enough trouble getting tickets for games now so if they only upped the stadium to 60k and gave out allthe Season Tickets backlog and this offer to the Shareholders then people like me will be in exactly the same situation with the New Stadium as we are currently.

I held a season ticket for two seasons on the old Spion Kop as its was £80 90/91 season then went to £100 91/92 season and went up to about £120 the season after, I couldn't afford all the travel and didn't feel it was worth the money as I'd miss all midweek games and Sunday games as there was no Day Trip from the Island on Sundays.  So I gave up my Season ticket, how I wish I'd hav kept it going now.  However I would be paying out alot more now for the ticket and still be in the situation of not being able to get to every game.  So bascally my point is even with my Fancard I can only get to the European Games as I build up my credit from the group games and so on getting a Premiership ticket is a nightmare for me as you have to have gone to this game and that so build it at big as possible then you might even, dare I say it actually be able to get a ticket on the day of the game (like paying into the Spion Kop).  Which would be nice without having to go to a tout and paying ridiculous prices.

[coog]

A workable pricing structure for tickets and a maximising of Season ticket applications, whatever level the true figures are, is a necessity for a ground this size.
I had a look at The Texas Rangers site to see what sort of structure they have over there for their tickets and it's mind blowing.
I'll put the link at the bottom of this post but if they can adapt some of those ideas into our new ground then I don't think 70/80,000 would prove too much of a problem to achieve.
As a quick example how would you like to print your own ticket off on your computer for the game of your choice? Or have a family ticket for up to 4 that included  4 jumbo hotdogs and a large coke from approx £40.00.
I know the ticket prices over there are lower than ours but if you look at the site it gives an idea of the way that they think. They have under 13s tickets for about £2.00 and the cheapest adult ticket is approx £4.00.
All tickets and packages, some of which are amazing , can be bought on-line.
Given their expertise in this area I'm sure they will have baulked at the new stadium capacity knowing what can be done to maximise income. In addition to this they will have looked at the fanaticism of our support and wondered how they can tap into this. As I've mentioned in previous posts, I doubt for one minute if a businessman would turn down customers who are queuing up to part with their money if they can help it.

http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=tex

Good post.

This is something that Barca do in a roundabout way too.

Their equivalent to our PTS lets members buy tickets at a discount around 6-8 weeks before a game, eventually ending up with online sales 3 weeks prior to a game at full face value to the general public. Tickets can then be collected from designated outlets throughout the city or from the stadium itself, whichever suits the purchaser. Christ you can even specify which seat you want from an online stadium plan.

You can buy full season tickets, half season tickets or mix and match tickets whereby you get x amount of cat a games x amount cat b games and x amount of cat c games. A mini season ticket if you like, you can even specify (subject to availability of course) which games you want. Season ticket holders who can't get to a paticular game are also able to sell their ticket back to the club at a reduced price, which is then sold on.

The other thing to bear in mind is that we as a City are going to get more & more "Tourists" coming over for city breaks,before during and after 08, many of who will decide to do the Stadium tour and will want to take in a match.

[Sasquatch]

Barclays League Division One 1987-1988
 
 Club                      Average vs '87
 1 Liverpool          39.582     7,9%
 2 Manchester United       39.152    - 2,5%
 3 Arsenal          29.910     3,1%
 4 Everton          27.771    -15,7%
 5 Tottenham Hotspur       25.921     0,2%
 6 Newcastle United       21.059    -15,1%
 7 Chelsea          20.118    13,7%
 8 West Ham United       19.802    - 3,9%
 9 Sheffield Wednesday                    19.797    -14,5%
10 Nottingham Forest       19.670     3,1%
11 Coventry City                       17.509     8,6%
12 Derby County                       15.942    - 9,2%
14 Portsmouth          15.923     NEW
15 Southampton                       14.544    - 0,3%
16 Watford          14.530    - 8,0%
17 Queens Park Rangers                         13.268    12,9%
18 Charlton Athletic                                     8.685    - 3,6%
19 Oxford United                                       8.355    -19,3%
20 Luton Town                        8.039     -21,6%
21 Wimbledon           7.995     2,4%
   Total                                                    19.273    - 2,6%

Barclays League Division One 1988-1989
 
 Club                            Average vs '88
 1 Liverpool          38.706    - 1,1%
 2 Manchester United       36.474    - 7,9%
 3 Arsenal          35.593    19,0%
 4 Everton          27.787     0,1%
 5 Tottenham Hotpsur       24.469    - 5,6%
 6 Aston Villa          23.310     NEW
 7 Newcastle United       22.815     8,3%
 8 Nottingham Forest       20.785     5,7%
 9 West Ham United       20.743     4,8%
10 Sheffield Wednesday                    20.035     1,2%
11 Middlesbrough                                    19.985     NEW
12 Derby County                                    17.714     3,2%
13 Norwich City                                    16.783     5,3%
14 Coventry City                                    16.061    - 8,3%
15 Southampton                                    15.584     7,2%
16 Millwall          15.470     NEW
17 Queens Park Rangers                    12.355    - 6,9%
18 Charlton Athletic                        9.419     8,5%
19 Luton Town           9.356    16,4%
20 Wimbledon           7.768    - 2,8%
(EDIT- Hope you can follow the above as I can't get them to line up once I have posted it)

Sorry to change topic but bang goes the old Manc argument that they have always had a higher average attendance than Liverpool every single year.

I believe there were also a couple of season in the early 1990s when ours was higher too.

[boyham]

The Bigger the better I say as I only now have a Fancard as I live on the Isle of Man and have enough trouble getting tickets for games now so if they only upped the stadium to 60k and gave out allthe Season Tickets backlog and this offer to the Shareholders then people like me will be in exactly the same situation with the New Stadium as we are currently.

I held a season ticket for two seasons on the old Spion Kop as its was £80 90/91 season then went to £100 91/92 season and went up to about £120 the season after, I couldn't afford all the travel and didn't feel it was worth the money as I'd miss all midweek games and Sunday games as there was no Day Trip from the Island on Sundays.  So I gave up my Season ticket, how I wish I'd hav kept it going now.  However I would be paying out alot more now for the ticket and still be in the situation of not being able to get to every game.  So bascally my point is even with my Fancard I can only get to the European Games as I build up my credit from the group games and so on getting a Premiership ticket is a nightmare for me as you have to have gone to this game and that so build it at big as possible then you might even, dare I say it actually be able to get a ticket on the day of the game (like paying into the Spion Kop).  Which would be nice without having to go to a tout and paying ridiculous prices.

I do sympathise mate, but what you are missing is that if they did issue a load more season tickets, then there would be less people trying for tickets.  For example, if my application was to be successfull there would be 3 less people (me, my dad, my brother)jamming the phone lines/internet for all of the league games and same for cup with that auto cup scheme.

[RyanBabelsFish]

This really shows the difference between G&H and someone like Roman. He spends on the club for the here and now. G&H are planning for the next 100 years.

that'd be why Chelsea are looking at sites for a new stadium of their own, Roman hired one of the best CEO's from their main rivals when he arrived and has put a large sum of money in a trust fund for them.

But I'm sure G + H will be excellent owners for us.

[Paul Gardner]

that'd be why Chelsea are looking at sites for a new stadium of their own, Roman hired one of the best CEO's from their main rivals when he arrived and has put a large sum of money in a trust fund for them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Pitch_Owners

Chelsea couldn't really move stadiums if the link above is right. They would have to change their name then.

[Jonathan Hall ☆☆☆☆☆☆]

that'd be why Chelsea are looking at sites for a new stadium of their own, Roman hired one of the best CEO's from their main rivals when he arrived and has put a large sum of money in a trust fund for them.

But I'm sure G + H will be excellent owners for us.

No he didn't, he hired the walking muppet Kenyon.

[RyanBabelsFish]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Pitch_Owners

Chelsea couldn't really move stadiums if the link above is right. They would have to change their name then.

I don't believe there would be any problem there, so long as they stayed within the Chelsea area. If they do go somewhere else it will cost them a hell of a lot of money, but I simply said they were looking at it, and they are.

[Greg]

Brilliant if this happens.

I know a lot of people don't think it will be filled - but I think it will for the majority of matches.

1. More season tickets will be sold - the waiting list will not be a waiting list for much longer.

2. More tickets on general sale - when I was younger, I wouldn't decide weeks in advance if I was going to the match. I would decide in the morning, if I've got the money, I can go and queue outside the Kop and know I've got a 90% chance of getting in.

I'm sure there's plenty of people who don't bother trying to buy tickets anymore because they believe it's impossible. Like my old man, who always says (if he gets the chance of a ticket) "I'm taking a ticket off someone else who wants it" and therefore doesn't take it.

We need to compete with the mancs. That's more important than some empty seats for some games.