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Re: The Horse Racing thread
« Reply #5800 on: December 26, 2023, 02:46:54 pm »
Mad that. Bet he went to a massive price in running

550/1 apparently
Shishkin unlucky

£800 they paid for Hewick
Decent ROI  :D

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Re: The Horse Racing thread
« Reply #5801 on: December 28, 2023, 09:46:03 am »
Fastorslow withdrawn from the big Leopardstown race. That's disappointing as I was looking forward to his rematch with GDC. Still, Gerri Colombe looms large in this fascinating race. Wouldn't rule out Appreciate It either.

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Re: The Horse Racing thread
« Reply #5802 on: December 28, 2023, 10:04:09 am »
Was going to ask Barney to ask his daughter but when looking at form etc what do you look at when picking a horse? We went Windsor races last year and going for the best name is not an exact science.

When you see their form weight etc what is important?

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Re: The Horse Racing thread
« Reply #5803 on: December 28, 2023, 10:12:35 am »
Was going to ask Barney to ask his daughter but when looking at form etc what do you look at when picking a horse? We went Windsor races last year and going for the best name is not an exact science.

When you see their form weight etc what is important?
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Ask 10 different people and you'll get 10 different answers!

It might seem basic but you have to see if a horse has the ability to win that particular race. So, if it's a 7 furlong race on soft ground, has the horse ever shown the ability to win in those conditions. If it has, you then have to compare that race to the race it is currently in. Is the horse against a different class of horse (it's actually better to look at prize money than class IMO)? How much more weight is it carrying that day compared to its previous good run over the conditions? How is the race likely to be run? (This is important particularly for short flat races but can be applicable for National Hunt too).

It makes little sense to back a horse on a 3m Chase over heavy ground when it has never shown the ability to run well in those conditions! Sounds daft and obvious but you would be amazed at how many people do it. If a horse hasn't show a capacity to win over the conditions, why not? Reading the comments on the horse's performance can be very useful. For instance, it may have flopped because it made a mistake at a fence or was hampered by another horse, so you could give it a pass for that.

Generally, it's best to focus on Class (Prize Money), Going, Distance, and Race Type for starters.

With so many races each day, you might eventually find that you prefer one of the All-Weather, Flat or NH race types. It may even be a good idea to become a "course specialist" where you learn the ins and outs of a specific course. It's a ton of work and there's a good reason why only a tiny percentage of punters ever profit in the long term.

I personally think it's best to avoid major races and festivals as the odds are usually poor, the races are typically too competitive and you'll actually be better served checking 'minor' race meetings on days when there are big Cheltenham and Aintree festivals for example!

I'm probably talking rubbish and havent helped you one iota  ;D
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Re: The Horse Racing thread
« Reply #5804 on: December 28, 2023, 10:27:42 am »
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Ask 10 different people and you'll get 10 different answers!

It might seem basic but you have to see if a horse has the ability to win that particular race. So, if it's a 7 furlong race on soft ground, has the horse ever shown the ability to win in those conditions. If it has, you then have to compare that race to the race it is currently in. Is the horse against a different class of horse (it's actually better to look at prize money than class IMO)? How much more weight is it carrying that day compared to its previous good run over the conditions? How is the race likely to be run? (This is important particularly for short flat races but can be applicable for National Hunt too).

It makes little sense to back a horse on a 3m Chase over heavy ground when it has never shown the ability to run well in those conditions! Sounds daft and obvious but you would be amazed at how many people do it. If a horse hasn't show a capacity to win over the conditions, why not? Reading the comments on the horse's performance can be very useful. For instance, it may have flopped because it made a mistake at a fence or was hampered by another horse, so you could give it a pass for that.

Generally, it's best to focus on Class (Prize Money), Going, Distance, and Race Type for starters.

With so many races each day, you might eventually find that you prefer one of the All-Weather, Flat or NH race types. It may even be a good idea to become a "course specialist" where you learn the ins and outs of a specific course. It's a ton of work and there's a good reason why only a tiny percentage of punters ever profit in the long term.

I personally think it's best to avoid major races and festivals as the odds are usually poor, the races are typically too competitive and you'll actually be better served checking 'minor' race meetings on days when there are big Cheltenham and Aintree festivals for example!

I'm probably talking rubbish and havent helped you one iota  ;D
Cheers! Yeah we all went for different picks cause none of us had a clue :lmao

When you see the form guide and their weight age etc it is only a brief synopsis so what to pick is just confusing.

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Re: The Horse Racing thread
« Reply #5805 on: December 28, 2023, 02:34:21 pm »
Never write off the champ. GDC all class though I'd have loved to see a match with Fastorslow.

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Re: The Horse Racing thread
« Reply #5806 on: December 28, 2023, 05:08:31 pm »
Some good performances today. Robcour look to have a good hand in the Stayers with Irish Point joining Teahupoo at the front of that market.
Gaelic Warrior was great again. Seems he prefers going right handed but still hoping they’ll try him in the Arkle against Marine Nationale. Gaelic Warrior might be the only horse able to give him a proper race. With Facile Vega likely  to step up in trip I suppose there’s a bit more chance.

When Galopin goes like he did today he looks unbeatable. But he’s done that kind of performance twice both times at Leopardstown so while he looks the best around, he seems more vulnerable elsewhere, though his Cheltenham records not too shabby either.
Haven’t heard what Gerri Colombe’s connections had to say, also I’d love to see L’Homme Presse back on a racecourse. Not sure what type of injury he’s had or if he’s due back but at his best he’d have a chance in a Gold Cup, but winning Gold Cups after injuries is rare so that kind of tempers my enthusiasm.

Looking ahead to the weekend I like Johnnywho in the Challow. He’s being thrown in at the deep end a bit after only 3 lifetime runs. But all have been easy wins and he thrashed last years Challow winner Hermes Allen in a point a couple of years back. Looks to have had a lot of time off but not sure why. He’s about 11/2 which seems decent enough
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Re: The Horse Racing thread
« Reply #5807 on: December 29, 2023, 10:50:26 am »
Seems State Man is friendless in the betting. IEP could go off Fav at this rate. Presume it’s down to the ground
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Re: The Horse Racing thread
« Reply #5808 on: December 29, 2023, 02:30:25 pm »
Feel a bit sorry for State Man that he’s around at the same time as Constitution Hill. He wipes the floor with everything else.

Surely they’ll change path with Impaire Et Passe, he’s not winning the Champion Hurdle. He was brilliant last year as a novice but doesn’t seem to have made the step up to open company as smoothly.
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Re: The Horse Racing thread
« Reply #5809 on: January 1, 2024, 03:25:36 pm »
Nice to see Bob Olinger back to something like his best.

That gives Robcour a possible 1-2-3 in the Stayers

The Stayers is starting to look very interesting this year with Impaire Et Passe getting an entry as well
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Re: The Horse Racing thread
« Reply #5810 on: January 20, 2024, 01:36:51 pm »
Saturday Bet

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Re: The Horse Racing thread
« Reply #5811 on: January 20, 2024, 02:07:45 pm »
Pays £343.64 8) if all win

I used to do this bet before the on-line took off and had some great days, you tend to remember biggish wins because they don't happen that often. Bookies don't print out this bet because pound for pound it pays more than a patent.




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Re: The Horse Racing thread
« Reply #5812 on: January 20, 2024, 06:57:34 pm »
Oof, Close but no cigar.

How much you get for 2 outta 3?
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Re: The Horse Racing thread
« Reply #5813 on: January 20, 2024, 08:07:35 pm »
Thanks duvva

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Re: The Horse Racing thread
« Reply #5814 on: January 21, 2024, 03:10:09 pm »
Nice performance from L’Homme Presse on his come back.

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Re: The Horse Racing thread
« Reply #5815 on: January 27, 2024, 03:50:02 pm »
A Couple of impressive performances today from Lossiemouth and Sir Gino. Both look like they’ll be tough to beat at Cheltenham but no price now. Although I do like Storm Heart for the Triumph

They need to go up in trip with Jonbon he’s no chance with El Fabiolo.

Great race to end the day with Paisley Park and Noble Yeats what a finish
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Re: The Horse Racing thread
« Reply #5816 on: January 28, 2024, 05:54:50 am »
Nice performance from L’Homme Presse on his come back.



It was, warmed to it nicely. Must have ew chance at Cheltenham.
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Re: The Horse Racing thread
« Reply #5817 on: January 28, 2024, 12:16:04 pm »
Youlneverwalkalone running at Doncaster today.

Claire mentioned the other day she owns a hair of it  :D
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« Reply #5818 on: January 28, 2024, 01:19:29 pm »
Youlneverwalkalone running at Doncaster today.

Claire mentioned the other day she owns a hair of it  :D
Looks like there’s a little bit of ew money for it.
Claire’s been quietly working her way round the Corals of Liverpool getting as much on as she can :)
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Re: The Horse Racing thread
« Reply #5819 on: January 28, 2024, 05:10:47 pm »
Seventh about 50 lengths behind, so it was actually walking  :D

Leopardstown meeting next weekend. Won't be going this year though :(. I have my eye on going to the Irish National in April.

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« Reply #5820 on: January 29, 2024, 09:19:43 pm »
Sky have started there countdown to the festival bets.

Constitution Hill and El Fabiolo Double @ 7/4 Max £20 for me.

Can't turn that down.

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Re: The Horse Racing thread
« Reply #5821 on: January 29, 2024, 11:48:10 pm »
In recent years very few seem to land but that looks a fairly surefire one, albeit not a price or stake that’s going to make you rich.
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« Reply #5822 on: January 30, 2024, 01:01:19 pm »
In recent years very few seem to land but that looks a fairly surefire one, albeit not a price or stake that’s going to make you rich.

Won't be bothering with it myself as can't be arsed waiting 6 weeks for a 7/4 shot, but you should be able to max stake it every 24 hours while it's available.
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« Reply #5823 on: January 30, 2024, 01:40:01 pm »
Won't be bothering with it myself as can't be arsed waiting 6 weeks for a 7/4 shot, but you should be able to max stake it every 24 hours while it's available.

Just came here to say that Barney, let's me put another £20 on today. So tempting and I actually have the patience if it's means a sureish thing

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« Reply #5824 on: January 30, 2024, 01:58:53 pm »
Won't be bothering with it myself as can't be arsed waiting 6 weeks for a 7/4 shot, but you should be able to max stake it every 24 hours while it's available.
Just came here to say that Barney, let's me put another £20 on today. So tempting and I actually have the patience if it's means a sureish thing
Hadn’t realised that, good to know. I’m sure they’ll have a limit they’re willing to take and it’s rare it’s up for more than a day or two so perhaps it’s not been as popular? But being able to get a bit more on does make it a bit more attractive
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Re: The Horse Racing thread
« Reply #5825 on: February 3, 2024, 12:20:45 pm »
Fastorslow withdrawn from the big Leopardstown race. That's disappointing as I was looking forward to his rematch with GDC. Still, Gerri Colombe looms large in this fascinating race. Wouldn't rule out Appreciate It either.
So we get the rematch today, then! Very poor turnout in that race and the Marine Nationale one though.

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« Reply #5826 on: February 4, 2024, 01:50:36 pm »
Poor turnouts yesterday. Match race today, and Gaelic Warrior blew out. Not sure you missed much this time. Most disappointing DRF so far
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Re: The Horse Racing thread
« Reply #5827 on: February 4, 2024, 02:18:57 pm »
Poor turnouts yesterday. Match race today, and Gaelic Warrior blew out. Not sure you missed much this time. Most disappointing DRF so far
I considered going during the week but was unimpressed by both days. So many poor turnouts for big prizes. You would think there would be more Cheltenham preparation runners. If be pretty annoyed to pay 35+ euro for that to be honest.

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« Reply #5828 on: February 4, 2024, 02:36:49 pm »
I considered going during the week but was unimpressed by both days. So many poor turnouts for big prizes. You would think there would be more Cheltenham preparation runners. If be pretty annoyed to pay 35+ euro for that to be honest.
I had a look at flights, hotels etc a few weeks back and seriously considered it as I’m not going to Cheltenham this year. Glad I decided against it this time.
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Re: The Horse Racing thread
« Reply #5829 on: February 4, 2024, 02:52:10 pm »
State Man would be a very impressive multi Champion Hurdle winner in almost any other era
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Re: The Horse Racing thread
« Reply #5830 on: February 4, 2024, 04:04:11 pm »
I had a look at flights, hotels etc a few weeks back and seriously considered it as I’m not going to Cheltenham this year. Glad I decided against it this time.
If you're ever thinking of Fairyhouse or Leopardstown let me know. I live in Dublin so go to both several times a year. Not overly impressed with the former to be honest. It's not much better than Leicester Racecourse outside of big meets  :D

State Man would be a very impressive multi Champion Hurdle winner in almost any other era
A brilliant horse. Up against an ATG unfortunately.

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« Reply #5831 on: February 4, 2024, 09:03:07 pm »
State Man would be a very impressive multi Champion Hurdle winner in almost any other era

Sounds like a particular German manager that.

Lots to take from the weekend racing, feeling confident with El Fabiolo and GDC and got to back the CH/State man 1-2. But question marks still with virtually everything else.

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Re: The Horse Racing thread
« Reply #5832 on: February 5, 2024, 12:30:01 am »
Sounds like a particular German manager that.

Lots to take from the weekend racing, feeling confident with El Fabiolo and GDC and got to back the CH/State man 1-2. But question marks still with virtually everything else.
You'll do well to get 50p on the pound for the CH State Man wager to be honest!

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« Reply #5833 on: February 10, 2024, 05:54:14 pm »
Good for Shishkin to get back to winning ways today.
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Re: The Horse Racing thread
« Reply #5834 on: February 12, 2024, 06:09:45 pm »
Few of us have joined a horse system site, I will put them up.. Might Jinx it , all three have won since we joined.

The fella is called Billy Liddell

GREAT BLASKET  7-30 Wolv   2nd fav  7/2

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« Reply #5835 on: February 12, 2024, 09:16:49 pm »
We are not getting carried away, five of us fiver each.. £25 bet

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I will post each day for interest..

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« Reply #5836 on: February 12, 2024, 09:32:54 pm »
Nice result. profits profit
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Re: The Horse Racing thread
« Reply #5837 on: February 13, 2024, 09:35:14 am »
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Newcastle 6-30 Sibyl Charm

We got the tip when it was 4/1 but we got 7/2, since then it has gone in to 5/2

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Re: The Horse Racing thread
« Reply #5838 on: February 13, 2024, 09:53:39 am »
Few of us have joined a horse system site, I will put them up.. Might Jinx it , all three have won since we joined.

The fella is called Billy Liddell

GREAT BLASKET  7-30 Wolv   2nd fav  7/2

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With a name like that, he must be good  :D

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Re: The Horse Racing thread
« Reply #5839 on: February 13, 2024, 01:42:55 pm »
1892

Over 120pts profit Nov to Jan.. My wife is backing them now after her sister winning  the past  few weeks, she got let down on a placepot once and never spoke for a day. Might be a silver cloud if it goes wrong then..
She is putting a fiver on between her and her Mum. Her Mum phoned at 7 this morning asking "Has the tip come through" they think they are all going to win.
Her Mum knocked over a cup of coffee jumping up after last night's win.. I am caught up myself and put a tenner on along with our syndicate bet..

Come on Billy Liddell...