Topic: CL: Spartak 1 v Liverpool 1 (Fernando 23', Coutinho 30')

[andyrol]

was really frustrated just after the game because we created enough to win 3 games. But, thinking about it now, at least we are creating situations where we should score, its not like we are plodding through games creating 2-3 chances and HAVING to score from one of them because we don't know when the next chance will come. at some point that front 4 will click and we'll go on a run hammering teams.

[Klippity Klopp]

The attack is not firing!





But it will - SOON.

[Motty]

...when he was fit

Perv.

[Filler.]

Go through, great

Finish 3rd, have a real chance at Europa league win

And it'll be January by then we can improve our defensive options if we want

It's all good

Jesus wept. Had to read that 3 times. Finishing 3rd is NOT good. It's in the area of 'very' in an Ungood/Shite Venn Diagram of 'What's all good'. Area A Good... B Ungood... C Shite... and it's in between Ungood and Shite.



Was amazed at the BT Sport panel suggesting we should be more 'pragmatic'. Kept mentioning the word 'pragmatic' as if it's something we need to be. They had 4 shots? Usually, I'd be quite happy with that and we've had some very 'pragmatic' managers in that time.

Frustrating.

[Jay012345]

Sturridge needs a run of games to get sharp.

[Scoff]

Important we go and beat Maribor now.

We should have six points but have two instead.

It wasn't great but there are no reasons for heads to fall off.

we should have 4 at best, 6 would be out of this world however 2 is more than acceptable, if we have 8 or 6 after playing Maribor then thanks, anything less than that then we should see the comments that are on here tonight, however until then just wind ur necks in ffs

[JackWard33]

was really frustrated just after the game because we created enough to win 3 games. But, thinking about it now, at least we are creating situations where we should score, its not like we are plodding through games creating 2-3 chances and HAVING to score from one of them because we don't know when the next chance will come. at some point that front 4 will click and we'll go on a run hammering teams.

We're dominating games. In fact the only recent game we haven't domainted was vs Leicester. Football results are weird sometimes but reversion to the mean happens and probably will for us soon given our level of superiority in most games and how few chances were conceding

[jillcwhomever]

We're dominating games. In fact the only recent game we haven't domainted was vs Leicester. Football results are weird sometimes but reversion to the mean happens and probably will for us soon given our level of superiority in most games and how few chances were conceding

We will thrash someone shortly hoping its Spur's or United even better.

[Scoff]

People don't complain if they're happy. Of course threads are going to be longer on nights like this. There's nothing wrong with calling tonight for what it was.

you should be happy! you should see it for what it is rather than having unrealistic exceptions, thats the problem with the support, your exceptions are unrealistic..

Klopps 1st away game in the CL and your expecting a win, why?

[Always_A_Red]

So... we must have lost then?

Six points from the Maribor games and beat Spartak at Anfield and we're through with Seville away to decide top spot.

And we call UTD fans arrogant?? 

[Fido]

Sturridge needs a run of games to get sharp.

Daniel Sturridge needs to leave and make way for a prolific world class striker.

When Sturridge came on he added nothing of any value to the attack.

Some of the forwards had an off day in that they did not score; Phillipe Courtinho had  a reasonably good game, Sadio Mane was off his best but he was still a threat, Mohamed Salah was unlucky not to score and Roberto Firmino had another off day.

Loris Karius set up the wall badly to leave himself unsighted which resulted in a goal, he still made punches instead of catches but he is still a lot better than Simon Mignolet.

Our defenders today did not have a lot to do but I though that Matip and Lovren had a reasonable game, Trent Alexander-Arnold added value and Alberto Moreno had a really good game and he was a real asset to the team. (Humble pie for me there, lets hope he keeps it up).

However, Daniel Sturridge added his usual nothing of value when he came on and he is just blocking the spot in the team that a prolific striker should occupy.

[socrates the sophist]

I thought we played a great match today, not a perfect one mind you, but a really good one.
The one thing that sticks out to me is we always seem to have a moment of madness during our build up play in every match.
Today, Can gifted the ball away to Spartak and we eventually conceded the goal. On the weekend, Salah did the same and we conceded the pen.

I'm not sure why that is, but the way we are playing it is a matter of time before we become the most feared team in England.

[stockdam]

Sturridge needs a run of games to get sharp.

Yes he does. He was a bit frustrating today as he beat a couple of players then slowed down so they got back at him. On another day he would have scored a couple.

[JG6]

Why does everyone keep saying 'it'll happen soon, soon we'll start banging them in'? What evidence is there to suggest that? It's a real worry how wasteful we are, there's only so long you can say 'don't worry it'll turn around soon and they'll all go in' - football doesn't work like that. We NEED to improve and if we don't do it soon the season is going to be a long, hard one.

[swoopy]

One of the most frustrating game I think I've ever watched

Another load of chances created but produced no more than 1 goal

They had one meaninful shot on goal which produced 1 goal

Frankly it's rediculous how often this is happening

If they could learn to finish we'd have beaten Burnley, Sevilla, Moscow, Watford with absolute ease

[stockdam]

The one thing that sticks out to me is we always seem to have a moment of madness during our build up play in every match.
Today, Can gifted the ball away to Spartak and we eventually conceded the goal. On the weekend, Salah did the same and we conceded the pen.

Salah's shirt was being pulled and he was hauled to the ground so I don't know what you expect him to do...........it wasn't a mistake.

[thejbs]

So... we must have lost then?

Six points from the Maribor games and beat Spartak at Anfield and we're through with Seville away to decide top spot.

You'd think that, but Maribor has the blueprint of how to get points from us:  You just park the bus and soak up the pressure until the inevitable defensive/goalkeeping howler.

[thejbs]

Daniel Sturridge needs to leave and make way for a prolific world class striker.

When Sturridge came on he added nothing of any value to the attack.

Some of the forwards had an off day in that they did not score; Phillipe Courtinho had  a reasonably good game, Sadio Mane was off his best but he was still a threat, Mohamed Salah was unlucky not to score and Roberto Firmino had another off day.

Loris Karius set up the wall badly to leave himself unsighted which resulted in a goal, he still made punches instead of catches but he is still a lot better than Simon Mignolet.

Our defenders today did not have a lot to do but I though that Matip and Lovren had a reasonable game, Trent Alexander-Arnold added value and Alberto Moreno had a really good game and he was a real asset to the team. (Humble pie for me there, lets hope he keeps it up).

However, Daniel Sturridge added his usual nothing of value when he came on and he is just blocking the spot in the team that a prolific striker should occupy.

There has been literally little to no evidence to support this assertion.

Otherwise I largely agree with many of your points.

[thelinnen]

Last six games, 121 shots : 6 goals.

Who needs a striker ?

Just bad luck.

[harleydanger]

Last six games, 121 shots : 6 goals.

Who needs a striker ?

Shots on target? Or shots on goal?

Shots on target 'should' average out to 1 goal for every 3 SoT. If it's not, we're most likely in a statistical trough and shouldn't be too worried.

Shots on goal is better for working out the quality of the chances we are creating.

[Dench57]

Deeply frustrating. Should be putting shite like that to bed.

[vivabobbygraham]

Daniel Sturridge needs to leave and make way for a prolific world class striker.

When Sturridge came on he added nothing of any value to the attack.

Some of the forwards had an off day in that they did not score; Phillipe Courtinho had  a reasonably good game, Sadio Mane was off his best but he was still a threat, Mohamed Salah was unlucky not to score and Roberto Firmino had another off day.

Loris Karius set up the wall badly to leave himself unsighted which resulted in a goal, he still made punches instead of catches but he is still a lot better than Simon Mignolet.

Our defenders today did not have a lot to do but I though that Matip and Lovren had a reasonable game, Trent Alexander-Arnold added value and Alberto Moreno had a really good game and he was a real asset to the team. (Humble pie for me there, lets hope he keeps it up).

However, Daniel Sturridge added his usual nothing of value when he came on and he is just blocking the spot in the team that a prolific striker should occupy.

Love the way you bookend all your tosh with your usual bile against Daniel, highlighting your animosity towards him. Before you get fucked off, can I just say you have at least shown consistency in your shizer, long and thin and yellow of which a large dose of imodium may help cure

[vivabobbygraham]

There has been literally little to no evidence to support this assertion.

Otherwise I largely agree with many of your points.

Fucking hell, singling out that bit of tosh to disagree with whilst agreeing with the rest makes you a bit suspect tbf.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

We had chances we didn't take them, shit happens Couldn't be arsed slumping into depression, life is shit as at is.

I'm confident in the players and the manager that there will be improvement through out the season. Will it be pretty? No, nothing is going to happen overnight but Klopp has progressed since his arrival, so as long as things keep improving overall I'm not arsed. It's September. We won't go on forever not taking our chances, and we have a system that is designed to create a plethora of chances.

[BabuYagu]

There's a lot less to talk about when everything is going well. It's like, "Great stuff boys, same again next week. Thought so and so was cracking today, really turned a corner."

This is a mental post. The idea that there is nothing to analyze in a win.

Do you know all that negative shite people write in threads after loses? Well you take that same highly focused analysis but use words like "good" instead of "shite". You can then analyze what we are doing. What is different. What is working. What isn't. Improvements you have noticed. Further improvements you would like to see. You can then make forecasts of hope rather than just doom mongering. There is no end to what you can discuss with a positive outlook when things are going well.

Unless people exist to whinge and this is their outlet for an unhappy existance. In which care fair enough. Go for it. Let it all out. Want a hug?

[Number 7]

Why does everyone keep saying 'it'll happen soon, soon we'll start banging them in'? What evidence is there to suggest that? It's a real worry how wasteful we are, there's only so long you can say 'don't worry it'll turn around soon and they'll all go in' - football doesn't work like that. We NEED to improve and if we don't do it soon the season is going to be a long, hard one.

The results since the last international break have been poor. Loss, draw, draw, loss, win, draw.  That isn’t good enough with a team who has aspirations to win or compete for something. We desperately need a win against Newcastle. I’m worried the upcoming international break will throw off our rhythm yet again. Then it’s United first up after the break.

I feel confident we will turn it around though, because we should have won 3 of those games. It’s doesnt look great right now and it’s extremely frustrating but what we need to do is ensure we stay within touching distance in the league and give ourselves a chance to get through this CL Group by winning both of the Maribor games.

[jckliew]

Shots on target? Or shots on goal?

Shots on target 'should' average out to 1 goal for every 3 SoT. If it's not, we're most likely in a statistical trough and shouldn't be too worried.

Shots on goal is better for working out the quality of the chances we are creating.

In PL, shot per game = 20, shots on target = 7.7, goals = 2

[jckliew]

Whe was the last time we won a CL game?

[istvan kozma]

Why does everyone keep saying 'it'll happen soon, soon we'll start banging them in'? What evidence is there to suggest that? It's a real worry how wasteful we are, there's only so long you can say 'don't worry it'll turn around soon and they'll all go in' - football doesn't work like that. We NEED to improve and if we don't do it soon the season is going to be a long, hard one.

Liverpool 4 Arsenal 0, Liverpool 4 Hoffenheim 2.

[The 1989 Brit Awards]

Whe was the last time we won a CL game?

Ludogorets? Gerrard 92 min pen. 

[KopThat]

We are really in the position where we have to beat Maribor twice, and probably need to beat  Spartak at home or Sevilla away

[Kansti]

How the fuck did we not win?

[Giono]

Ludogorets? Gerrard 92 min pen. 

Ludogorets...I was hoping never to hear that name again.

[idontknow]

Why does everyone keep saying 'it'll happen soon, soon we'll start banging them in'? What evidence is there to suggest that? It's a real worry how wasteful we are, there's only so long you can say 'don't worry it'll turn around soon and they'll all go in' - football doesn't work like that. We NEED to improve and if we don't do it soon the season is going to be a long, hard one.

You've said it and it is the thing I fear most, that we will go whole season missing chance after chance. We did it in King Kenny's full season, there was post after post saying, proving that things would change and goals would come, as a statistical inevitability, and they didn't.
10 shots for us, 1 goal,. 1 shot against us, 2 goals. Heartbreaking. This season is already looking similar.
The gods have got a hate on for us.

Which by the way makes it all the merrier when we beat the crap out of them.

[Alan_X]

Its still not quite clicking is it?

Rash decision making and poor shots. I still say the confidence is lacking till we get that momentum of a couple of comfy wins. The forwards are desperate to score because of no faith in the defence and the vicious cyclw continues.

Quite lucky with Spartak drawing that first game.

It will click into place but this a frustrating period for us.

Do you mean unlucky?

[Alan_X]

We are really in the position where we have to beat Maribor twice, and probably need to beat  Spartak at home or Sevilla away

Err... and? Isn't that what we'd have to do anyway? 

[Brain Potter]

you should be happy! you should see it for what it is rather than having unrealistic exceptions, thats the problem with the support, your exceptions are unrealistic..

Klopps 1st away game in the CL and your expecting a win, why?

An away draw in the CL is not the worst result in the world,but....come on Spartak we're the worst team I've ever seen us play at this level. Literally dog shit. It's not unrealistic to expect us to win that sort of game is it ?

[Prof]

There was a time people would look at an away in Moscow as being a really difficult fixture.  Not just the quality of the team or partisan atmosphere, but because of the travel, the security arrangements etc.

I thought we looked so good.  We controlled the match and were very brave in possession throughout.  We had so many good situations which were created by our own good play and that made it feel like a goal was coming any moment for most of the game.

The fact we didn't score is frustrating and it's not surprising people are focusing on that, but that's football and it happens.  I feel much more optimistic after games like this, where essentially the damage can be offset by results in the rest of the group phase, than after we scrape an ugly win at home against a low placed team in the league, where we create nothing and play sideways all game.

Some of the stuff last night was fantastic and the more our team gets to play together, the more we'll see the end product.

[Solomon Grundy]

You know, if we'd done our job and beaten Sevilla at Anfield, people would be looking at last nights game in a different light. We should have comfortably won, but a point away in Moscow isn't the end of the world.

[dorsetgill]

so many lost chances.very frustrating