Topic: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé

[No666]

During the managerial process, they are certainly going to be looking for one who wants to promote youth. I'd be very surprised if this person doesn't want to reintegrate Bajcetic into the first team group, given his showing in a frankly awful midfield. It's older players who will be vulnerable to the new broom, I think. The urge to get in someone familiar with his methods will be stronger than the urge to keep the 'leadership' group fully in tact - more of a minor reset for the oldies.

[Draex]

wheres clark?

think even baj is not safe with the new set of coaches coming in. basically its a reset for the youngsters.

got a feeling morton will be gone while his stock is high and the new coach(whoever that is) will bring on one of his own player with the blessings of hughes and edwards hopefully

The badger is one the best talents in Europe, he can play multiple positions, he could easily be a center back in a 3 man defence as well. Any new coach is going to love him.

If he stays fit he’ll be our starting 6 by the end of next season.

[Garlic Red]

For those who’ve watched both a lot. Who would you say the better defender is out of Inacio and Hincapie? Ie who’s going to dominate with their defending more?

[Barefoot Doctor]

For those who’ve watched both a lot. Who would you say the better defender is out of Inacio? Ie who’s going to dominate with their defending more?

When you put it like that - Inacio 

[Asam]

For those who’ve watched both a lot. Who would you say the better defender is out of Inacio? Ie who’s going to dominate with their defending more?

Diomande

[Garlic Red]

When you put it like that - Inacio 

Deary me 

I meant Inacio and Hincapie.

[Peabee]

Nice for him. Being paid to recover here in time for his final big payday.

#ThiagoOut #CostOfLivingCrisis #Greedy #BoycottNike #Chemtrails

[G Richards]

Good luck to Joel Matip. He has been an astute Bosman signing for us, rising up and down the rankings of our central defenders, probably between second and fourth best at different times, but he has done well for us when fit and available.

Now with the injury, a new manager coming, and his age, he will surely be departing. I fully expect us to help him get back to fitness while he sorts out new arrangements. If he stays on beyond summer, I expect it will be on modest terms until he proves his fitness and sorts out a move.

I agree with the Badger shout above too. He looked fantastic breaking through, and now, after taking a long time with him to help him get his fitness and grow into his body, hopefully we will reap the rewards moving forward. I could easily see him become a 6 or a central defender in a back three, depending on what the new man wants.

[Raaphael]

The Badger?

[killer-heels]

The Badger?

He means Salah.

[MD1990]

we really should have signed Van De Ven imo

[killer-heels]

we really should have signed Van De Ven imo

He is not good in the air and has had two hamstring injuries this season.

[Asam]

He means Salah.

I thought Badger is Bajectic no?

[Crosby Nick]

I thought Badger is Bajectic no?

He’s only gone and cracked the code.

[Chris~]

He is not good in the air and has had two hamstring injuries this season.

Also not sure we needed to spend that much on back up to Van Dijk

[Asam]

Also not sure we needed to spend that much on back up to Van Dijk

The centre back will be competing for first choice, Konate will miss plenty of games, VVD will benefit from being rested more often and will need to be replaced within a few seasons

We can either plan ahead of time or wait until the wheels fall off like the did with the midfield

[Chris~]

The centre back will be competing for first choice, Konate will miss plenty of games, VVD will benefit from being rested more often and will need to be replaced within a few seasons

We can either plan ahead of time or wait until the wheels fall off like the did with the midfield

Van Dijk likes playing on the left so unlikely he'd want to switch sides, so buying a left footed centre back last summer for £40m+ would have been a waste of money if it was to also rotate with Konate

[Asam]

Van Dijk likes playing on the left so unlikely he'd want to switch sides, so buying a left footed centre back last summer for £40m+ would have been a waste of money if it was to also rotate with Konate

There’s multiple reasons to bring in a centre back so let’s look at the reasoning:

Q. is Van Dijk left footed? No so why does the centre back have to be left footed?
Q. Is Konate injured a lot? Yes we could have someone partner VVD/Konate/Quansah/Gomez
Q. Could we potentially be playing a back 3 next season? (quite possibly if Amorim is appointed)
Q. Will we have more games next season due to champions league? Yes
Q. Why bring in someone inferior to what we have? if they’re not able to challenge our starting players the standard will drop if we do suffer injuries

it’s not essential we bring in left footed centre back, if they are capable of playing on either side and we also have some decent prospects in the academy for the long term

we are in an excellent position in that we don’t need 5/6 players, so if we only bring in 3 I genuinely don’t understand why anyone would want us to bring in second tier players to bulk the squad up? all 3 signings should raise the bar

[Phineus]

If we do play with a back 3 next season, which if it’s Amorim would be likely, then a left footed CB would be essential otherwise you just won’t be able to effectively play out from the back. It would close so much of the pitch to us in possession.

[Asam]

If we do play with a back 3 next season, which if it’s Amorim would be likely, then a left footed CB would be essential otherwise you just won’t be able to effectively play out from the back. It would close so much of the pitch to us in possession.

if we do play back 3 then the argument that we shouldn’t sign a left footed centre back because VVD plays on the left is invalid

[Chris~]

There’s multiple reasons to bring in a centre back so let’s look at the reasoning:

Q. is Van Dijk left footed? No so why does the centre back have to be left footed?
Q. Is Konate injured a lot? Yes we could have someone partner VVD/Konate/Quansah/Gomez
Q. Could we potentially be playing a back 3 next season? (quite possibly if Amorim is appointed)
Q. Will we have more games next season due to champions league? Yes
Q. Why bring in someone inferior to what we have? if they’re not able to challenge our starting players the standard will drop if we do suffer injuries

it’s not essential we bring in left footed centre back, if they are capable of playing on either side and we also have some decent prospects in the academy for the long term

we are in an excellent position in that we don’t need 5/6 players, so if we only bring in 3 I genuinely don’t understand why anyone would want us to bring in second tier players to bulk the squad up? all 3 signings should raise the bar

What are you even arguing. I was replying to the conversation that we should have bought Van De Ven last summer

[killer-heels]

I very much doubt we are playing with a back three next season. We dont really have the players to make it work.

[red mongoose]

If we do play with a back 3 next season, which if it’s Amorim would be likely, then a left footed CB would be essential otherwise you just won’t be able to effectively play out from the back. It would close so much of the pitch to us in possession.

You'd think Inacio would be a dead cert if we appoint Amorim, particularly if he plans to play a back three. Even if he doesn't, Inacio can cover LB. I guess the question then is whether we sign a further LB with an eye to the future, or put that off another year and break in Chambers or Beck.

[Asam]

You'd think Inacio would be a dead cert if we appoint Amorim, particularly if he plans to play a back three. Even if he doesn't, Inacio can cover LB. I guess the question then is whether we sign a further LB with an eye to the future, or put that off another year and break in Chambers or Beck.

I wouldn’t make that leap, we won’t sign players just because they’ve played for a manager before
 

[red mongoose]

I wouldn’t make that leap, we won’t sign players just because they’ve played for a manager before

No, but he's already at or near the top of the list for available left-sided CBs, and we've been linked before, and his price is reasonable. So there are several reasons for thinking as I do.

[MBL?]

I very much doubt we are playing with a back three next season. We dont really have the players to make it work.

Why not? We'd need two new centre backs but that's not hard to achieve and one of them could be Van Den Berg.

[killer-heels]

Why not? We'd need two new centre backs but that's not hard to achieve and one of them could be Van Den Berg.

The system Amorin plays has 2 deeper central midfielders and 2 attacking midfielders/forwards behind a central striker. We have Mac Allister, Jones, Gravenberch, Elliott, Salah, Szobozslai, Jota, Gakpo and Diaz who play those advanced 8 and attacking positions. There is what, only space for 3 of those in that 3-4-3 setup? That means 7 of those miss out, unless Nunez is out in which case Jota would be up front.

Its not just a lack of centre backs, but we are top heavy and that reduces the number we can play with. Plus lets not forget that we probably would need a wing back or two otherwise we are shoehorning another defensive player compared to now.

[Peabee]

The system Amorin plays has 2 deeper central midfielders and 2 attacking midfielders/forwards behind a central striker. We have Mac Allister, Jones, Gravenberch, Elliott, Salah, Szobozslai, Jota, Gakpo and Diaz who play those advanced 8 and attacking positions. There is what, only space for 3 of those in that 3-4-3 setup? That means 7 of those miss out, unless Nunez is out in which case Jota would be up front.

Its not just a lack of centre backs, but we are top heavy and that reduces the number we can play with. Plus lets not forget that we probably would need a wing back or two otherwise we are shoehorning another defensive player compared to now.

Stats nerd.

(Data ain't just numbers)

 

[William Regal]

You'd imagine a new manager would be able to make a fair few quid in the transfer market to add to his budget next year

Kelleher - how much longer is a keeper of this calibre going to be happy to stop as a number 2, could see him going with a buy back clause

VDB - Seems to be doing well on loans but cant see him making the break through here

Morton - nice player, good football brain, developing well, would surely entice bids if we chose to sell

Carvalho - starting to look shit hot in the championship again

Klopp really is leaving the next manager in a very good position, a brilliant squad, with a decision to be made on all these talented players

[Knight]

The system Amorin plays has 2 deeper central midfielders and 2 attacking midfielders/forwards behind a central striker. We have Mac Allister, Jones, Gravenberch, Elliott, Salah, Szobozslai, Jota, Gakpo and Diaz who play those advanced 8 and attacking positions. There is what, only space for 3 of those in that 3-4-3 setup? That means 7 of those miss out, unless Nunez is out in which case Jota would be up front.

Its not just a lack of centre backs, but we are top heavy and that reduces the number we can play with. Plus lets not forget that we probably would need a wing back or two otherwise we are shoehorning another defensive player compared to now.

Jones and MacAllister could absolutely play the 2 deeper midfield roles. Szoboslai if necessary too. And Grav.

[RedG13]

The system Amorin plays has 2 deeper central midfielders and 2 attacking midfielders/forwards behind a central striker. We have Mac Allister, Jones, Gravenberch, Elliott, Salah, Szobozslai, Jota, Gakpo and Diaz who play those advanced 8 and attacking positions. There is what, only space for 3 of those in that 3-4-3 setup? That means 7 of those miss out, unless Nunez is out in which case Jota would be up front.

Its not just a lack of centre backs, but we are top heavy and that reduces the number we can play with. Plus lets not forget that we probably would need a wing back or two otherwise we are shoehorning another defensive player compared to now.

Dont assume what they run at their current club would runb at Liverpool. He seems very adaptable to personal.
Klopp has run the 433 at Liverpool despite running 4231.
It would be very dumb to look at this squad and run 3 at the back as the main thing. Liverpool Build starts with 3 at times but defends with 4 a the back

[killer-heels]

Jones and MacAllister could absolutely play the 2 deeper midfield roles. Szoboslai if necessary too. And Grav.

Ok but then thats Gravenberch, Szoboszlai, Endo, Elliott, Jota, Salah, Diaz and Gakpo for 2 positions. So at least six of those sit out.

Point being that the squad is deliberately loaded in the attacking parts of the field. People are focussing on centrebacks but are our wingbacks suitable as well?

[killer-heels]

Dont assume what they run at their current club would runb at Liverpool. He seems very adaptable to personal.
Klopp has run the 433 at Liverpool despite running 4231.
It would be very dumb to look at this squad and run 3 at the back as the main thing. Liverpool Build starts with 3 at times but defends with 4 a the back

Thats my point i dont think he will. Also it would take some real guts to come into the side and completely shift the formation and have our players be on board.

[Raaphael]

Has Alisson become so injury prone that the owners could start look at it as a sweet spot to sell him at one point? Perhaps not this summer, but at some point? Age vs. value. Not that I want that, but if it`s a toss up between selling Kelleher too early and depending on a new second choice goal keeper that we don`t know about( If Alisson gets more injuries next season). 

[[new username under construction]]

Has Alisson become so injury prone that the owners could start look at it as a sweet spot to sell him at one point? Perhaps not this summer, but at some point? Age vs. value. Not that I want that, but if it`s a toss up between selling Kelleher too early and depending on a new second choice goal keeper that we don`t know about( If Alisson gets more injuries next season). 

Guess if we win the league and he has played more games than Ali and his wages will be far below as well it might start to pop into peoples minds. Tough one as you're giving up the best keeper in the league

[MD1990]

Has Alisson become so injury prone that the owners could start look at it as a sweet spot to sell him at one point? Perhaps not this summer, but at some point? Age vs. value. Not that I want that, but if it`s a toss up between selling Kelleher too early and depending on a new second choice goal keeper that we don`t know about( If Alisson gets more injuries next season).

lol no chance

[Schmidt]

Yeah no. Alisson is the best keeper there is and he hasn't really become injury prone, he just had the odd injury each season. Kelleher has been great this season but Alisson is an incredible shot stopper while also having a strong all around game.

[Knight]

Ok but then thats Gravenberch, Szoboszlai, Endo, Elliott, Jota, Salah, Diaz and Gakpo for 2 positions. So at least six of those sit out.

Point being that the squad is deliberately loaded in the attacking parts of the field. People are focussing on centrebacks but are our wingbacks suitable as well?

On the above, Endo, Grav can probably play a dual pivot. Perhaps Endo’s best position. I suspect Grav could too. Szoboslai I’m less sure but you’ve got Mac, Jones, Endo, Grav for the double pivot and perhaps Szoboslai. Then you’ve got Salah, Jota, Gapko, Diaz, Elliott, Szoboslai for the 10s. And Nunez, Jota, Gapko for the 9. Diaz might well be able to play LWB depending on how Amorim uses his wing backs. We’re really not a million miles away. And some of our players will suit it. Elliott and Salah will benefit for example. Trent too because he’s more likely to be able to move into midfield if it’s a double pivot. Or the wingback role might be a good change for him. Certainly we’d need some players but then we’d be signing players if Klopp stayed, we certainly will be with Klopp leaving. And at least with LWB we probably need a LB if we don’t switch so bringing in a LWB isn’t so different. CB is an issue, we’ll probably need 2 if we wanted to play 3. Mostly because we can carry Konate in a 433 if we just replace Matip but I’m not sure we can carry Konate if we only replace Matip and we want to play a 343.

[clinical]

Left back, Centre back, clinical forward.

Think that's it right?

Unless someone like Salah leaves.

[killer-heels]

Left back, Centre back, clinical forward.

Think that's it right?

Unless someone like Salah leaves.

It all depends on what the new manager wants. If its three at the back then wing backs need to be looked at. We also need to see how he sets up a midfield two. Also the forwards as well.