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Re: Those chants
« Reply #360 on: November 3, 2022, 07:13:33 pm »
Great post.

For some reason it had me thinking of what Liverpool was like in general, in the 80s. As you know, a lot of really, really bad things happened. But whether it was Chernobyl, the Space Shuttle Challenger, Zebruge ferry, Rock Hudson dying of AIDS - whatever it was then 10 minutes later there'd be 100's of different jokes doing the rounds. Think that was reflected in the Anfield crowd - unless the rest of the world was like that - don't know.

I was really insular back in those days, so I was quite unaware of how the rest of the world did things. I doubt it was just in our city though. They were really bleak times socially. I think that gave rise to a lot of gallows humour in the city and further afield too. Back in those days jokes were made about anything and everything. I remember going into a chippy in Crosby just after the Space Shuttle disaster. Someone in the queue asked for a can of space shuttle, and others laughed. 'Space shuttle' being a can of 7Up. The number of astronauts killed in the explosion.

Compared to today, those times were not enlightened at all. Times were tough and people had to be tough too. Gallows humour was rife, and jokes we now see as pretty horrific were the norm. Of course, that's just my lived experience, and the experience of others will differ. This is the 21st century though. The world is unrecognisable now. We are more educated and enlightened now than humans ever have been. Whether we use that enlightenment and education is another matter, of course.

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Re: Those chants
« Reply #361 on: November 3, 2022, 07:13:45 pm »
It appears Leeds have issued a permanent ban to a scumbag that held up a copy of the rag outside Lime Street.

So why can our club not identify and issue bans to c*nts that take part in these chants season after season? Surely the hold the power to dictate who does our doesn't enter Anfield?

Fair enough, kudos to Leeds for their stance on this.

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Re: Those chants
« Reply #362 on: November 3, 2022, 07:40:55 pm »
Everton fans singing ‘always the victims’ has to be the absolute epitome of stupidity.  It would be like me, as an Indian, shouting racist abuse to an Indian player.   Honestly you could make up how moronic people can be!

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Re: Those chants
« Reply #363 on: November 3, 2022, 11:01:37 pm »
Everton fans singing ‘always the victims’ has to be the absolute epitome of stupidity.  It would be like me, as an Indian, shouting racist abuse to an Indian player.   Honestly you could make up how moronic people can be!
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Re: Those chants
« Reply #364 on: November 4, 2022, 08:17:10 am »
Everton fans singing ‘always the victims’ has to be the absolute epitome of stupidity.  It would be like me, as an Indian, shouting racist abuse to an Indian player.   Honestly you could make up how moronic people can be!

Not to mention the self own given the way they carry on.
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Re: Those chants
« Reply #365 on: November 4, 2022, 08:21:08 am »
Did FA just pull ‘thoughts & prayers’ on Liverpool?

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Re: Those chants
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Re: Those chants
« Reply #367 on: November 4, 2022, 01:23:03 pm »
Everton fans singing ‘always the victims’ has to be the absolute epitome of stupidity.  It would be like me, as an Indian, shouting racist abuse to an Indian player.   Honestly you could make up how moronic people can be!

I'm surprised they don't sing 'you scouse bastards'
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Re: Those chants
« Reply #368 on: November 4, 2022, 04:27:24 pm »
I'm surprised they don't sing 'you scouse bastards'

When concerning footy, the missus classes Scousers as LFC fans, Rooney wasn't Scouse he supported Everton according to her, so I'm surprised the Manc loving bellends from across the park haven't done the same shit.
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Re: Those chants
« Reply #369 on: November 5, 2022, 07:57:27 am »
This season has to be the worst I can remember for all the Hillsborough shouts either at the game or on social media. 
 And now it seems poor Sean Cox and his family  are getting the same treatment.  Seen a despicable flag some mancs have made up about him on twitter yesterday.  What the hell is wrong with these people?? Is there any other sport on the planet where this shite goes on ?
 I hope the club do start banning large chunks of away allocations if it carrys on.

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« Reply #370 on: November 5, 2022, 08:11:40 am »
This season has to be the worst I can remember for all the Hillsborough shouts either at the game or on social media. 
 And now it seems poor Sean Cox and his family  are getting the same treatment.  Seen a despicable flag some mancs have made up about him on twitter yesterday.  What the hell is wrong with these people?? Is there any other sport on the planet where this shite goes on ?
 I hope the club do start banning large chunks of away allocations if it carrys on.

I think Paris has brought it into the public eye again mate but it didn't take much persuasion once UEFA opened their big gobs announcing that drunk, ticketless fans were responsible for trouble.

As for the other stuff, the human race has become a very ugly entity.

No compassion, no remorse, no morals and no fucking sense.


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Re: Those chants
« Reply #371 on: November 5, 2022, 08:26:31 am »
I think Paris has brought it into the public eye again mate but it didn't take much persuasion once UEFA opened their big gobs announcing that drunk, ticketless fans were responsible for trouble.

As for the other stuff, the human race has become a very ugly entity.

No compassion, no remorse, no morals and no fucking sense.

Let's face it we knew it was coming as soon as UEFA put that message on the screen.

I think after Paris fans have said we're not taking this anymore. Other fans have sang 'always the victims' for years which has been let slide.

Football fans in this country generally get more unpleasant and obnoxious every year as well.
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« Reply #372 on: November 5, 2022, 08:34:31 am »
Let's face it we knew it was coming as soon as UEFA put that message on the screen.

I think after Paris fans have said we're not taking this anymore. Other fans have sang 'always the victims' for years which has been let slide.

Football fans in this country generally get more unpleasant and obnoxious every year as well.

Absolutely we knew mate and it's given fans carte blanche to use it against us again.

I'm glad we're taking it seriously and said enough is enough, we just need to keep hammering it to the authorities and make them do something about it.

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Re: Those chants
« Reply #373 on: November 5, 2022, 09:38:37 am »
This season has to be the worst I can remember for all the Hillsborough shouts either at the game or on social media. 
 And now it seems poor Sean Cox and his family  are getting the same treatment.  Seen a despicable flag some mancs have made up about him on twitter yesterday.  What the hell is wrong with these people?? Is there any other sport on the planet where this shite goes on ?
I hope the club do start banning large chunks of away allocations if it carrys on.


it's not the answer i think as imagine a couple of thousand away fans turn up and a couple of hundred sing a vile song - so all the other fans get shafted?

that's the fans losing out again

the clubs must be punished - massive fines or some sort of regulations where they lose points

this is the only way it will change by forcing their own clubs to act

i remember we once talked on here about if fans shout out a racist word or term then the same should apply - that their fans should be banned - but we joked that all that would happen is a home supporter would shout out and get the away fans banned

so the majority of fans would lose out again to the ugly minority

club punishment is the only way forward - imagine pep losing 6 points near the end of the season - i'd pay good money to see his reaction
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Re: Those chants
« Reply #374 on: November 5, 2022, 09:46:44 am »
Then again the threat of it might push the decent fans into having a word with the idiots to cop the hell on. Not sure if fining clubs will have much impact , it won't come out the morons pockets. A points thing my work but couldn't see them going that route. 

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Re: Those chants
« Reply #375 on: November 5, 2022, 09:59:39 am »
Then again the threat of it might push the decent fans into having a word with the idiots to cop the hell on. Not sure if fining clubs will have much impact , it won't come out the morons pockets. A points thing my work but couldn't see them going that route. 


Agreed. Sadly I think banning the fans is the only way to put an end to it. The 'decent' fans may actually do something about it, instead of just sitting/standing there in silence.

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Re: Those chants
« Reply #376 on: November 5, 2022, 11:30:39 am »
As I remember it was Liverpool fans that got other Liverpool fans to stop singing the Munich song. We never seemed to have any luck after singing that at matches against United (or against any other team for that matter) Now maybe i'm superstitious and decent fans had had enough of the vile chanting but whatever the reason more and more fans booed the chanting until the people singing it became the minority and eventually the song was eradicated from our repertoire.
It is up to the decent fans of these clubs to police themselves in the same way by calling out the ringleaders. Whether they will or not remains to be seen. I won't hold my breath though.
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Re: Those chants
« Reply #377 on: November 5, 2022, 11:46:04 am »

It is up to the decent fans of these clubs to police themselves in the same way by calling out the ringleaders. Whether they will or not remains to be seen. I won't hold my breath though.


The only way you'll get this to happen is to put them in a position where they have to suffer because of the actions of these dickheads within their support. In other words, ban them.

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« Reply #378 on: November 5, 2022, 12:05:00 pm »
The only way you'll get this to happen is to put them in a position where they have to suffer because of the actions of these dickheads within their support. In other words, ban them.

Bans are the only way to go. Since 2016, the Tories have helped breed a very angry, very nasty, not give a fuck attitude in this country and you can see football is slipping back into the bad old days. They need to be hit hard now, shown we won't take any more of their fucking shit and bans on away fans are the only way to go. It won't hurt LFC, as we can sell those tickets to our own fans for home rates, win/win to me.
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« Reply #379 on: November 5, 2022, 12:50:38 pm »
As I remember it was Liverpool fans that got other Liverpool fans to stop singing the Munich song. We never seemed to have any luck after singing that at matches against United (or against any other team for that matter) Now maybe i'm superstitious and decent fans had had enough of the vile chanting but whatever the reason more and more fans booed the chanting until the people singing it became the minority and eventually the song was eradicated from our repertoire.
It is up to the decent fans of these clubs to police themselves in the same way by calling out the ringleaders. Whether they will or not remains to be seen. I won't hold my breath though.

Munich chanting in the ground pretty much stopped after Hillsborough. Can't recall ever hearing it at Anfield. 89/90 United fans kept chanting 'where's your famous Munich song?' Which was fair enough. Ever since they've thrown whatever bile they can at us to try and get that response. The first Hillsborough chant I can recall was United fans chanting "if it wasn't for the Scousers we could stand" back when the tannoy would call for fans not to persistently stand.

Then it was "you killed your own fans" which was a direct sulk at "we won it 5 times". Then it was the sun was right which was a sulk at Fergie's right.

Touch a nerve with them and the only thing in their playbook is Hillsborough.
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Re: Those chants
« Reply #380 on: November 5, 2022, 01:18:27 pm »
There's a lot in what you say there. Dehumanisation is a tactic used throughout the ages. It's used in all sorts of conflicts. It's difficult to hate people you see the humanity in. It's hard to despise those you can understand and have empathy with.

It's far easier to do so once you dehumanise people and groups of people though. Then, you have little or no empathy for them and you can then give yourself permission to treat them horrendously.

With a lot of opposition fans the facts don't matter. Any narrative that feeds their confirmation bias is gleefully embraced, whilst anything that contradicts it is rejected. They want it to be true that we sing about Munich in our thousands, and three clowns singing it in some random pub means we all do it. One utter arse throwing a bottle at a coach means we're all scumbags. Five clowns singing IRA shite towards Union flag wavers means we are all terrorist sympathisers. They want this to be true. They need it to be true. Because it gives them permission to see us all as less than them. It gives their vile hatred permission to show itself. It means they don't have to care or have empathy because they don't see as human enough to warrant it.

Right-wingers use dehumanisation all the time. They do it with immigrants and benefit claimants. They do it to create scapegoats and divert critical attention away from themselves. It was done to this city by Thatcher and her media cohorts. It was done to us all after Hillsborough. Disgustingly, we've been portrayed as less than human for so long now by our own country and its media. It's no wonder so many people now feel they have the right to pile on and mock the deaths of our loved ones. To them, we don't count. In their self-righteous ivory towers they look down from, we are not worthy of their empathy.

So, do they genuinely believe we sing about Munich? No, I don't think they do. But they want it to be true, so they peddle the lie anyway. Truth doesn't actually matter in the dehumanisation game. All you have to do is say it and keep saying it. So long as it's true in their minds, it gives them permission to absolve themselves of their dignity, their empathy, their morals and their human decency. It allows them to hate whilst still feeling superior.

Great post! I see it more and more now, United fans have always used words like 'vermin' to describe us but it's becoming more widespread. And of course, the justifications for it are ropey at best. "You sing about Munich" (not true), "you killed your own fans" (not true), "you boo the national anthem" (so what? Read a history book and you might too), "you're on the dole" (are we?), "you always play the victim" (what does this even mean?)

These are people singing en masse about 97 people dying at a football game and somehow, they've convinced themselves that they're the good guys and we're the 'vermin'. It would be laughable if it wasn't so obscene.

The truth is, lots of people up and down the country are hateful and angry. There's a reason we're in the state we're in as a nation - these are the people that vote Brexit because they hate foreigners, they're the people who vote Tory because they hate the poor. I saw comments online this week where people were congratulating the man who threw petrol bombs at the immigration centre in Dover, they were just sad that nobody had been killed! :o It boggles your mind that people can be so angry at a group who have little to no impact on their lives (or anyone else's).

So of course they hate Scousers too, they hate anyone they're told to hate. They're unthinking and on social media they can encourage each other's views. Now you've got Wolves fans or Southampton fans or West Ham fans latching on to lies and false stereotypes because our supporters had the temerity to express some left-wing views that hurt their feelings and now they want to hurt us back. Now they'll look for any tiny thing they can to confirm their bias, doesn't matter if it's true or not.

They absolutely deserve to have their allocations reduced and if the decent fans have an issue with that, then they'll need to get their house in order.
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Re: Those chants
« Reply #381 on: November 5, 2022, 02:07:33 pm »

it's not the answer i think as imagine a couple of thousand away fans turn up and a couple of hundred sing a vile song - so all the other fans get shafted?

that's the fans losing out again

the clubs must be punished - massive fines or some sort of regulations where they lose points

this is the only way it will change by forcing their own clubs to act

i remember we once talked on here about if fans shout out a racist word or term then the same should apply - that their fans should be banned - but we joked that all that would happen is a home supporter would shout out and get the away fans banned

so the majority of fans would lose out again to the ugly minority

club punishment is the only way forward - imagine pep losing 6 points near the end of the season - i'd pay good money to see his reaction
The problem there is that fans don't care if their club gets fined.

For me, the issue is all about personal responsibility. It's about making individuals accountable for their actions. Fining the club doesn't do this. You have to hit the actual offenders.

A points deduction may be useful, because that does indirectly affect the fans, but that also penalises the decent fans.

I really do think individual offenders need to be consistently arrested, named, shamed and prosecuted. Cutting allocations also serves to put the onus onto those who sit in there to behave like human beings. This then places more responsibility on them to self police. Basically, it says, you're welcome here, but behave in a civilised manner, or less of you will be coming back next time. The ball is then in their court, and it's up to them how they play it.

We really do have to force responsibility back onto the offenders. This also adds responsibility on their fellow fans to self police and keep the more brainless element in line.
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Re: Those chants
« Reply #382 on: November 5, 2022, 02:22:20 pm »
taking about responsibility of the offending fans - can a dog really turn into a cat?

very few ex-offenders - be that racist sexist homophobic xenophobic etc - ever change so again it will be down to the decent fans to 'report' the scum but how many are going to do that?

tough one

i was reading up on the lies surrounding hillsborough and i didn't realise how much a shit brian clough was about it (excuse my ignorance there) i was truly shocked - here's a snippet from a letter to the guardian (here)

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we are talking about the responsibility of the fans but how can a manager act so irresponsible
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Re: Those chants
« Reply #383 on: November 5, 2022, 02:26:04 pm »
taking about responsibility of the offending fans - can a dog really turn into a cat?

very few ex-offenders - be that racist sexist homophobic xenophobic etc - ever change so again it will be down to the decent fans to 'report' the scum but how many are going to do that?

tough one

i was reading up on the lies surrounding hillsborough and i didn't realise how much a shit brian clough was about it (excuse my ignorance there) i was truly shocked - here's a snippet from a letter to the guardian (here)

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/05/brian-clough-role-in-creating-the-myth-that-fans-were-to-blame-at-hillsborough

we are talking about the responsibility of the fans but how can a manager act so irresponsible

This is why Forest fans have been twats about it. Got to back Cloughie who became a hate figure here after that.

The old drunken twat was pissed that day btw
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« Reply #384 on: November 5, 2022, 02:55:22 pm »
taking about responsibility of the offending fans - can a dog really turn into a cat?

very few ex-offenders - be that racist sexist homophobic xenophobic etc - ever change so again it will be down to the decent fans to 'report' the scum but how many are going to do that?

tough one

i was reading up on the lies surrounding hillsborough and i didn't realise how much a shit brian clough was about it (excuse my ignorance there) i was truly shocked - here's a snippet from a letter to the guardian (here)

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/05/brian-clough-role-in-creating-the-myth-that-fans-were-to-blame-at-hillsborough

we are talking about the responsibility of the fans but how can a manager act so irresponsible

Same way politicians can, including prime ministers and presidents.

I'd like to say things have changed and it wouldn't happen today but then see Braverman, Trump and the French guy.

All fascist, extreme right wingers whose rhetoric had a hand, if not directly caused, the incendiaries being thrown at the immigration place and the 6th Jan insurrection.

People see and hear such shit on TV and in the news and get wound up enough to act on it. 

Football fans hear and see such shit about football fans and managers and act on it.

It's not hard to connect the fucking dots but as usual there's absolutely no responsibility taken, just deflection. 

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Re: Those chants
« Reply #385 on: November 5, 2022, 03:07:44 pm »
This is why Forest fans have been twats about it. Got to back Cloughie who became a hate figure here after that.

The old drunken twat was pissed that day btw

Clough had alcohol problems way before Hillsborough though. I read a biography years ago and he was well into the sauce but you just have to look at the red bloated face to see the clear signs.

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Re: Those chants
« Reply #386 on: November 5, 2022, 05:18:06 pm »
taking about responsibility of the offending fans - can a dog really turn into a cat?

very few ex-offenders - be that racist sexist homophobic xenophobic etc - ever change so again it will be down to the decent fans to 'report' the scum but how many are going to do that?

tough one

i was reading up on the lies surrounding hillsborough and i didn't realise how much a shit brian clough was about it (excuse my ignorance there) i was truly shocked - here's a snippet from a letter to the guardian (here)

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/05/brian-clough-role-in-creating-the-myth-that-fans-were-to-blame-at-hillsborough

we are talking about the responsibility of the fans but how can a manager act so irresponsible
Nope, no dogs will be turning into cats. There are still racists in every football ground. Still homophobes. But the vast majority button it because they know they might just get nicked for it. Those people will still hold their hideous ideologies, but they might just shut up in the ground if they fear being held accountable. If people come here to sing Hillsborough songs then they should also fear getting nicked, named and shamed.

Clough? He was a good football manager but a hideous human being. He was basically Thatcher in drag. An utter scumbag of a 'man'.
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Re: Those chants
« Reply #387 on: November 5, 2022, 05:54:23 pm »
Brian Clough, an absolutely horrible man. As crooked and morally corrupt as anyone else.

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Re: Those chants
« Reply #388 on: November 6, 2022, 02:42:54 pm »
Nope, no dogs will be turning into cats. There are still racists in every football ground. Still homophobes. But the vast majority button it because they know they might just get nicked for it. Those people will still hold their hideous ideologies, but they might just shut up in the ground if they fear being held accountable. If people come here to sing Hillsborough songs then they should also fear getting nicked, named and shamed.

Clough? He was a good football manager but a hideous human being. He was basically Thatcher in drag. An utter scumbag of a 'man'.

Thatcher in drag had me burst out laughing 😂

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Re: Those chants
« Reply #389 on: November 6, 2022, 03:19:20 pm »
Thatcher in drag had me burst out laughing 😂
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Re: Those chants
« Reply #390 on: November 10, 2022, 11:45:56 am »
Last night I was waiting for a mate on the corner of Anfield Road/Main Stand - near that info board.

A group of Derby fans came out of the park towards their end singing "always the victims". A copper grabbed one of them and had him literally next to us. He said to the lad you have 20 seconds to show me your ticket. When he gave the copper his ticket, he said I am taking you to the head steward and it is up to him if you get in. He then led him off towards the Anny road turnstiles.

In all probability the lad still got in. But at least it looks like something is being done with these sort of chants.

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Re: Those chants
« Reply #391 on: November 10, 2022, 11:48:10 am »
Young uns doing it, well they are daft and need educating. Grown arsed middle aged men doing it really need to take a long hard look at themselves.

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Re: Those chants
« Reply #392 on: November 10, 2022, 11:53:32 am »
Hopefully the other lads around him saw that too - and learnt from it. Trying to get a rise out of the locals through a bit of 'bantz', one of them ends up being hauled by his collar by a copper of all people - not the reaction they were expecting, eh? Seems to be some want to goad us to react, so they can say, "Look, officer! I poked the tiger and the fucker bit me!" :wanker

As depressed as I feel about all this, it does seem there's a shift in the tide, in terms of the reaction at least, in the wider sense. We're no longer on our own, defending ourselves - I'm encouraged to read of a policeman stepping in whereas in the past they've never seemed to give a shit until we react to the bait....

Oh, and I hope the Head Steward he was taken to was one of the fellas that helped out each year for the Hillsborough anniversary services so he can tell the lad to get to fuck.

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Re: Those chants
« Reply #393 on: November 10, 2022, 12:05:49 pm »
Last night I was waiting for a mate on the corner of Anfield Road/Main Stand - near that info board.

A group of Derby fans came out of the park towards their end singing "always the victims". A copper grabbed one of them and had him literally next to us. He said to the lad you have 20 seconds to show me your ticket. When he gave the copper his ticket, he said I am taking you to the head steward and it is up to him if you get in. He then led him off towards the Anny road turnstiles.

In all probability the lad still got in. But at least it looks like something is being done with these sort of chants.

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Re: Those chants
« Reply #394 on: November 10, 2022, 12:45:48 pm »
Last night I was waiting for a mate on the corner of Anfield Road/Main Stand - near that info board.

A group of Derby fans came out of the park towards their end singing "always the victims". A copper grabbed one of them and had him literally next to us. He said to the lad you have 20 seconds to show me your ticket. When he gave the copper his ticket, he said I am taking you to the head steward and it is up to him if you get in. He then led him off towards the Anny road turnstiles.

In all probability the lad still got in. But at least it looks like something is being done with these sort of chants.

the copper is most probably a red - but good on him all the same
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Re: Those chants
« Reply #395 on: November 10, 2022, 05:32:44 pm »
Maybe we should log every chant /time / game etc..and at end of season send report to FA with letter " Thanks for your help"

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Re: Those chants
« Reply #396 on: November 11, 2022, 07:42:20 pm »

'Kids 'in tears' after vile Hillsborough chants sung at Liverpool fans following Spurs win.':-

The chants were directed at Liverpool fans waiting to get the train after the side's win at Tottenham

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Re: Those chants
« Reply #397 on: November 11, 2022, 10:30:42 pm »
Stewards and Police need to sort it out.  Give all visiting clubs advanced notification to pass onto their fans that that offensive chanting will lead to ejection from the ground.

On match day stewards step in and remove some fans if they start.  Once we get into this routine the message will get round.  Do nothing and it will only get worse.  Worse still doing nothing condones the vile chanting.
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Re: Those chants
« Reply #398 on: January 5, 2023, 01:37:39 pm »
Just been a report on these chants on BBC news, specifically the chants aimed towards Hillsborough and a call to impose harsher punishments on clubs.  It showed large groups of Everton and Man Utd fans chanting about it at Anfield. It went on to mention chants against Rangers, Spurs and Man Utd as well.  I thought I wonder if they'll show the 1000's of Leeds fans who still chant about Munich or the City fans who do it.  No, it showed a clip of about 10 Liverpool fans chanting it outside the ground at Old Trafford 4 years ago after we'd suffered a barrage of vile chanting throughout the day from Utd fans. While these fans were completely wrong to chant anything about Munich, you have to wonder why they picked this clip of Liverpool fans when there are videos on social media from the last 12 months of the likes of Leeds singing about it in large numbers.  I can see what other fans are saying already, we cry when people chant about Hillsborough, but we still chant about Munich etc etc.

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Re: Those chants
« Reply #399 on: January 5, 2023, 05:53:48 pm »
Just been a report on these chants on BBC news, specifically the chants aimed towards Hillsborough and a call to impose harsher punishments on clubs.  It showed large groups of Everton and Man Utd fans chanting about it at Anfield. It went on to mention chants against Rangers, Spurs and Man Utd as well.  I thought I wonder if they'll show the 1000's of Leeds fans who still chant about Munich or the City fans who do it.  No, it showed a clip of about 10 Liverpool fans chanting it outside the ground at Old Trafford 4 years ago after we'd suffered a barrage of vile chanting throughout the day from Utd fans. While these fans were completely wrong to chant anything about Munich, you have to wonder why they picked this clip of Liverpool fans when there are videos on social media from the last 12 months of the likes of Leeds singing about it in large numbers.  I can see what other fans are saying already, we cry when people chant about Hillsborough, but we still chant about Munich etc etc.

You don't have to wonder at all, though. It's because they are desperate to make out that we are as bad as them, so they pick out footage of a few gobshites and post it as though it represents us all, which it absolutely doesn't.

I had the misfortune to catch that utter gobshite Mike Parry on the Jeremy Vine show recently. The topic of the conversation being the Forest chants towards Chelsea. He then went on to bring up the so-called LFC - Abu Dhabi rivalry and how ''terrible things'' happen at this fixture such as buses getting attacked. Not once did he mention the Hillsborough / Heysel chants by big sections of opposition fans, including far too many from Everton, the club he has a season ticket for. No mention of the genuinely horrific stuff both sets of Mancs chant.

Thing is, as far as sick chanting and hooliganism is concerned these days, Liverpool fans barely register on the radar. Despite that, there is a concerted effort in the media to make out that we have similar problems to a lot of other clubs, when we simply do not in reality. To help further their preferred narrative they will always highlight the comparatively tiny section of arseholes we have then make out they are representative of us all.
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