Topic: Dog Attacks

[rob1966]

These dogs are awful and people shouldn’t be allowed to own them. Lions can be ‘tamed’ but you wouldn’t have a fucking Lion as a pet would you. These are dangerous.

Lions are different - to them, everything is food, you can never ever tame a big cat.

[Claire.]

Lions are different - to them, everything is food, you can never ever tame a big cat.

People can't even keep domestic cats under control ffs. I'd trust a dog to not try and kill me over any cat.

[Alan_X]

All domestic dogs are from a single species Canis familiaris. All of the body shapes and temeraments are the result of human breeding to create specific "breeds." The "breeds" are selected for the ability to carry out certain tasks and for aesthetic reasons.

There is no reason for any particular breed to exist. These dogs and other breeds like them were bred to bring down bulls. That's why they're called bulldogs for fucks sake. There are bulldog breeds that have had the attack temperament bred out over time but these are killing machines with an attack temperament. They serve no purpose except for illegal dogfighting and to make utter c*nts feel hard.

Personally, I don't want to walk down the street having to guess whether the 70 kilos of killing machine is being walked by a good owner or a bad owner.

[CraigDS]

Absolutely nothing to do with the dog type, it's to do with the owners. I've been brought up around and owned numerous big dogs, every single one has been calmer around other dogs and humans than half the tiny yappers you see out there.

Ban XLs and the twats move onto Staffies again, ban them and it's a mastiff, or Rottie, or Alsatian, or one of the many large breeds out there which can do an equal amount of damage as any other big dog if they are owned by a complete fucking twat.

You want to sort the problem then introduce stricture ownership rules around owning dogs, including mandatory training classes and levels a dog needs to pass, and bring in stricter banning orders on being able to own a dog.

[Oh Campione]

People can't even keep domestic cats under control ffs. I'd trust a dog to not try and kill me over any cat.

I'd fancy my chances against a cat compared to a big dog - this is always going to be the issue.  These dogs can be lovely and can be trained but if anything goes wrong at any point, they cannot be controlled by anyone

[CraigDS]

All domestic dogs are from a single species Canis familiaris. All of the body shapes and temeraments are the result of human breeding to create specific "breeds." The "breeds" are selected for the ability to carry out certain tasks and for aesthetic reasons.

There is no reason for any particular breed to exist. These dogs and other breeds like them were bred to bring down bulls. That's why they're called bulldogs for fucks sake. There are bulldog breeds that have had the attack temperament bred out over time but these are killing machines with an attack temperament. They serve no purpose except for illegal dogfighting and to make utter c*nts feel hard.

Personally, I don't want to walk down the street having to guess whether the 70 kilos of killing machine is being walked by a good owner or a bad owner.

Genuine question - how many of these breeds you talk about have you been around longer than giving them a stroke for a few minutes?

[redbyrdz]

Maybe puppy classes should be mandatory, for both the dog and its owners (and recorded against a dog's microchip and other features). The puppy class trainer would need to be somehow regulated, to ensure some sort of standard of training. Especially problematic dogs would be picked up during those classes, and the owners could be referred for further training (or reported to the police, if the dog is deemed to dangerous and the owner to irresponsible).

[Qston]

All domestic dogs are from a single species Canis familiaris. All of the body shapes and temeraments are the result of human breeding to create specific "breeds." The "breeds" are selected for the ability to carry out certain tasks and for aesthetic reasons.

There is no reason for any particular breed to exist. These dogs and other breeds like them were bred to bring down bulls. That's why they're called bulldogs for fucks sake. There are bulldog breeds that have had the attack temperament bred out over time but these are killing machines with an attack temperament. They serve no purpose except for illegal dogfighting and to make utter c*nts feel hard.

Personally, I don't want to walk down the street having to guess whether the 70 kilos of killing machine is being walked by a good owner or a bad owner.

Close friends of mine have a staffie, and I know they are on the friendlier end of the bulldog spectrum. A friendly enough young dog, but the first time I have interacted with a dog like this. The first thing I noticed was that it is just a solid ball of muscle with small but sharp teeth. I was quite taken aback by how strong it is. As I say, I know this is friendly breed.

[Wool]

Lions aren’t domesticated, there’s a huge difference. They can never truly be tamed.

Certain dog breeds are genetically predisposed to being more aggressive, but a responsible owner can negate this 98% of the time with proper training and socialisation from a young age. This breed is no different to the bad rep Pitbulls received in the 90’s. Banning the breed will help, but the dangerous dogs act isn’t fit for purpose as there are many breeds not included which are just as, if not more dangerous, than those few breeds listed on it. Education, licensing and regulation of breeders is key.

That’s fair but I would argue this breed can’t either. We’ve all seen the stats and they’re overwhelmingly responsible for a large % of dog attacks and especially fatal dog attacks. Shit owners obviously play a part and I don’t think anyone is disagreeing there but these shit owners with a Labrador will cause no major harm for the most part whereas with this breed potentially someone gets killed or seriously maimed.

[CraigDS]

That’s fair but I would argue this breed can’t either. We’ve all seen the stats and they’re overwhelmingly responsible for a large % of dog attacks and especially fatal dog attacks. Shit owners obviously play a part and I don’t think anyone is disagreeing there but these shit owners with a Labrador will cause no major harm for the most part whereas with this breed potentially someone gets killed or seriously maimed.

Complete made up nonsense.

Any dog under shit owners will be a nightmare. Now it may be a Shitzu you can pick up or kick away with ease, in which case, no so much harm (however a girl I grew up with was attacked by a smaller terrier dog when she was 7 and 30 years later still has the scars all over her face from it). These shite owners would move onto the next dog breed - be it Alsatian (a previous fav for them) or Rottie (again, another prev fav).

[Mister Flip Flop]

It is just bad owners.

Yeah this plays a big part in it but i know from personal experience it's not just the owners each and every time this happens. I'm a massive dog person had all sorts and have two rescue dogs at present one of which literally saved my mental health during Covid lockdowns. The problem is if either of my dogs turned on someone a child or older person they'd do damage as in a bite and most people could kick them away but with the restricted breeds and bull breeds in particular they can kill and won't give in until the person stops moving. I don't hink they all need to be banned but idiots who walk them without a lead and muzzle should be given massive fines and have the animal removed into rescue and responsible ownership.

[Qston]

Yeah this plays a big part in it but i know from personal experience it's not just the owners each and every time this happens. I'm a massive dog person had all sorts and have two rescue dogs at present one of which literally saved my mental health during Covid lockdowns. The problem is if either of my dogs turned on someone a child or older person they'd do damage as in a bite and most people could kick them away but with the restricted breeds and bull breeds in particular they can kill and won't give in until the person stops moving. I don't hink they all need to be banned but idiots who walk them without a lead and muzzle should be given massive fines and have the animal removed into rescue and responsible ownership.

Do you really think those idiots give a toss about fines ?  They won`t pay them and don`t think the rules apply to them.

[Wool]

Complete made up nonsense.

It’s not though is it? We have the data. Unless for some reason all the shit owners overwhelmingly flock to this one breed in particular.

Thankfully it seems like something is finally being done about it anyway although it’s taken far too long to get there.

[Mister Flip Flop]

I’ve yet to see someone walking an XL Bully that looks like they can control it with a leash. Usually it’s the dog walking them.

Unfortunately a lot of these people buy a bull breed for the image and don't even feed/exercise it properly or even take it to the vets for it's annual check up and vaccinations etc...

[Mister Flip Flop]

Do you really think those idiots give a toss about fines ?  They won`t pay them and don`t think the rules apply to them.

No they definitely don't care about fines. Take it from source, wages, dole whatever.

[CraigDS]

It’s not though is it? We have the data. Unless for some reason all the shit owners overwhelmingly flock to this one breed in particular.

Thankfully it seems like something is finally being done about it anyway although it’s taken far too long to get there.

Dog attacks have ALWAYS been a problem. The issue is the number of prick owners who are now walking around with a dog thinking it's a status symbol / protection / whatever reason. If it wasn't this breed it would be another. The problem doesn't go away by banning one breed.

[classycarra]

Blue Cross also campaign (RSPCA mentioned above) that the banned dog breeds is wrong and should be dropped.

My view is it’s owners not the dogs.

good reminder that animal charities arent worth giving money to!

[Claire.]

I'd fancy my chances against a cat compared to a big dog - this is always going to be the issue.  These dogs can be lovely and can be trained but if anything goes wrong at any point, they cannot be controlled by anyone

I'm talking about what I'd rather have in my home though, and it'd always be a dog. I'd never trust a cat, don't like them, they kill things for entertainment. The dog size thing is bollocks to me, they're all capable of attacking you, and yeah you might fare better against a little dog or a cat, but would a kid or another small animal? And yeah it's boring circling the 'it's bad owners' drain and really it usually fucking is, because an owner knows the dog and knows it's temperament, I can read mine. It's not only the training, it's knowing the dog and it's limits and if you can't trust it then you shouldn't have it.

[gazzalfc]

The number of dogs I see with homeless people in town concerns me alot as well.

Not that I believe they are being mistreated but they do get peoples attention. The number of people buying bottles of water for the dog while it was so hot out last weekend.

They are as much attention grabbing nowadays as the 'Ex-Army, willing to work' cardboard signs.

[Qston]

I'm talking about what I'd rather have in my home though, and it'd always be a dog. I'd never trust a cat, don't like them, they kill things for entertainment. The dog size thing is bollocks to me, they're all capable of attacking you, and yeah you might fare better against a little dog or a cat, but would a kid or another small animal? And yeah it's boring circling the 'it's bad owners' drain and really it usually fucking is, because an owner knows the dog and knows it's temperament, I can read mine. It's not only the training, it's knowing the dog and it's limits and if you can't trust it then you shouldn't have it.

I am not a cat person either, but that isn`t true Claire. It is in their genetics. They think that they are 'providing'.

[Only Me]

Funny reading some replies in here.

Its not the dog type, its the owner. Its exactly the same tripe you hear from American gun nuts.

Its not the super powerful, high calibre, 20 rounds a second assault weapons that's the issue, its the owner.

Dead right lol.

[rob1966]

Funny reading some replies in here.

Its not the dog type, its the owner. Its exactly the same tripe you hear from American gun nuts.

Its not the super powerful, high calibre, 20 rounds a second assault weapons that's the issue, its the owner.

Dead right lol.

Started shooting at 11 with an air rifle, have owned 9mm. .357 magnum, .22 semi auto rifles - never once have I shot someone nor felt the need to. If I really wanted to kill you, taking away my guns didn't stop me, I've enough knives in the kitchen, hammers, screwdrivers to do the job.

The bully xl has been bred specifically to remove the aggression from the Pit Bull, its dickhead owners who make them aggressive.

You can train dogs not to attack people, and you can train them to kill. I was once collecting from an Army location one night but wasn't allowed in as the war dogs were loose - these were German Shepherds trained to kill

[Claire.]

I am not a cat person either, but that isn`t true Claire. It is in their genetics. They think that they are 'providing'.

Doesn't align with what I've read about why they do it, they take their kills home as it's a safe place, yes it's a natural instinct but it doesn't make it any better for the animals they're killing when there's too many of them in any one area. I'm sure they're considered an invasive species.

As a predatory species, cats would naturally hunt for their food in the wild. However, your domesticated cat doesn’t necessarily hunt because it’s hungry. Some cats are more likely to hunt than other cats and this may be down to their personality and experiences. For example, a bold, confident cat with lots of experience of going outdoors may need more than their basic ‘resources’ to feel satisfied and are therefore more likely to hunt for stimulation.

https://www.battersea.org.uk/pet-advice/cat-advice/search-cat-advice/can-i-stop-my-cat-hunting

So, entertaining themselves by hunting and killing/injuring wildlife. Lovely.

[rob1966]

Doesn't align with what I've read about why they do it, they take their kills home as it's a safe place, yes it's a natural instinct but it doesn't make it any better for the animals they're killing when there's too many of them in any one area. I'm sure they're considered an invasive species.
https://www.battersea.org.uk/pet-advice/cat-advice/search-cat-advice/can-i-stop-my-cat-hunting

So, entertaining themselves by hunting and killing/injuring wildlife. Lovely.

Why I hate cats

[BER]

I’m sure by now many of you will have seen the video of an XL Bully running riot on the streets of Birmingham and generally terrorising / injuring people. If you haven’t, enjoy! (One of those attacked is an 11 year girl)

https://x.com/bullywatchuk/status/1700617924321443985?s=46&t=a0F-rbGWwDr4OAWFEmOwcQ

Well done to the cinematographer, seriously impressive work.

[duvva 💅]

good reminder that animal charities arent worth giving money to!

Just as RAWK can frequently act as a great reminder that many humans aren’t worth shit either

[jillcwhomever]

good reminder that animal charities arent worth giving money to!

Animal charities do a lot of valued work.

[classycarra]

Animal charities do a lot of valued work.

they certainly do, and obviously I'm being hyperbolic. but personally, i'd not feel great if i'd given money to a charity that's campaigning to ensure there's no restrictions on dogs that are maiming and killing children in record numbers

[jillcwhomever]

they certainly do, and obviously I'm being hyperbolic. but personally, i'd not feel great if i'd given money to a charity that's campaigning to ensure there's no restrictions on dogs that are maiming and killing children in record numbers

I thought you were talking generally that’s fair enough. Dogs are becoming more of an issue now, especially the young lads who seem to buy them, to make themselves look “tough.” But the other problem I find is people letting them off leads and not paying attention with where the dog wanders. I had this dog chasing after me when I was cycling. The owner was too busy on his phone to keep an eye on the dog.

[Nobby Reserve]

need to be some serious law changes. people need to fear the consequences of letting these lethal weapons behave like lethal weapons

Agree 100%. We can't just hand wring ever time there's a another child mauled to death or a group of people terrorised by an out of control psychopathic dog

Make owners* criminally responsible for the actions of their dog.

If their dog bites someone, the owner is prosecuted for ABH/GBH. If the dog kills someone, the owners is up for manslaughter.

Bring in proper dog licences, priced to cover the admin of this & the policing of dogs/dog laws. Make not chipping your dog a criminal offence (have mobile chip-checking patrols).

Make the wearing of muzzles compulsory in public for dogs of certain breeds (I'd include all bulldogs, mastiffs, Rottwilers, Dobermans for a start)




* owners or the person looking after the dog at that time if not the owner.

[rob1966]

I thought you were talking generally that’s fair enough. Dogs are becoming more of an issue now, especially the young lads who seem to buy them, to make themselves look “tough.” But the other problem I find is people letting them off leads and not paying attention with where the dog wanders. I had this dog chasing after me when I was cycling. The owner was too busy on his phone to keep an eye on the dog.

That was my rant in the annoyed thread in the boozer, how owners don't give a fuck and don't watch their dogs.

Reading the report, the incident all started with this Bully xl when the young girl ran past. This triggers the predator in the dog, as prey runs, non prey stands its ground. I noticed the last fella it attacked was also running and it targeted him, this could just have easily been a small terrier going for the kid and even a small terrier is capable of giving a fatal bite to a child.

[Nobby Reserve]

That was my rant in the annoyed thread in the boozer, how owners don't give a fuck and don't watch their dogs.

Reading the report, the incident all started with this Bully xl when the young girl ran past. This triggers the predator in the dog, as prey runs, non prey stands its ground. I noticed the last fella it attacked was also running and it targeted him, this could just have easily been a small terrier going for the kid and even a small terrier is capable of giving a fatal bite to a child.

It was all the little girl's fault. She deserved it. Running like that. What was she playing at?

[rob1966]

Dog attacks have ALWAYS been a problem. The issue is the number of prick owners who are now walking around with a dog thinking it's a status symbol / protection / whatever reason. If it wasn't this breed it would be another. The problem doesn't go away by banning one breed.

The knee jerk media and knee jerk Govt never learn this. They banned the pit bull, the Tosa and a few others and the dickheads just find other dogs to train to be lethal. It'll be Staffies, Alsations, Dobermans, Rottweilers, whatever they can get to train, that'll be the net "hard man" dog. From what I've read, the bully was bred from the Pit Bull with the intention of removing the aggression that is inherent in the pit bull, but any dog can be trained to be aggressive. One of the worse dogs I've ever known was my mates Alsation/Labrador cross, that was a fucking psycho and he'd not trained it that way, it was just the dogs personality.

[Nobby Reserve]

FWIW, I'd also support banning many breeds (and sub-breeds, and dogs with some element of those breeds/sub-breeds)

[Oh Campione]

That was my rant in the annoyed thread in the boozer, how owners don't give a fuck and don't watch their dogs.

Reading the report, the incident all started with this Bully xl when the young girl ran past. This triggers the predator in the dog, as prey runs, non prey stands its ground. I noticed the last fella it attacked was also running and it targeted him, this could just have easily been a small terrier going for the kid and even a small terrier is capable of giving a fatal bite to a child.

Neither the girl or the guy runnings fault is it?

[rob1966]

It was all the little girl's fault. She deserved it. Running like that. What was she playing at?

That's not what I'm saying at all, so I hope that comment isn't aimed at me.

[Oh Campione]

That's not what I'm saying at all, so I hope that comment isn't aimed at me.

I read it like that as well - sorry if thats not what you meant but read like that to me

[Sammy5IsAlive]

Complete made up nonsense.

Any dog under shit owners will be a nightmare. Now it may be a Shitzu you can pick up or kick away with ease, in which case, no so much harm (however a girl I grew up with was attacked by a smaller terrier dog when she was 7 and 30 years later still has the scars all over her face from it). These shite owners would move onto the next dog breed - be it Alsatian (a previous fav for them) or Rottie (again, another prev fav).

That was the point that Alan was making above though - German Shepherds and Rottweilers were bred to be working dogs, specifically to herd and protect livestock. If they are poorly trained they can be disruptive through their herding instinct or potentially dangerous to a stranger who encroaches on their 'territory' or threatens their 'flock'. But that is very different to the various breeds that were bred (or whose ancestor breeds were bred) to fight other dogs or bulls, whose natural instinct if poorly trained is to aggressively maim and kill.

That dog walker who got killed a while back is an example of what I mean - as far as the news reports say, whilst she was attacked by all the dogs, it was her own Bully XL that went for her throat and killed her.

The above goes for what you might call negligent, lazy or inexperienced owners. In the hands of an abusive owner any dog breed can and likely will become dangerous (with the level of danger depending on the size of the dog).

[Nobby Reserve]

One of the worse dogs I've ever known was my mates Alsation/Labrador cross, that was a fucking psycho and he'd not trained it that way, it was just the dogs personality.

And this is it. Some dogs are naturally aggressive. One of my childhood mates had a jack russell bitch. Sweetest little thing. His parents took a litter from it, sold 4 and kept one, again a bitch. That dog was the most viscious little bastard. Nobody could go near it. Both brought up well and socialised, mother and pup. Once great and friendly; the other psychopathic.

Like all smaller dogs, it could have done damage to a person. But I'd take my chances with that rather than a big bulldog/mastiff/rottweiler/etc

[reddebs]

The issues you have with mandatory licencing and training is compliance.

The "bad owners" are usually the types who think they're above the law and who is actually going to police the new laws?

Coppers can't even make drivers comply with licencing, testing or other ownership/user laws so they've no chance of managing dog ownership.

It's supposed to be mandatory to have a licence and be registered with local councils to breed dogs for sale, yet a grandma that bred rottis without either, had 2 of them kill her grandchild after the child managed to unlock their pen.

It's the law to have them chipped but loads still aren't and you're meant to update the change of ownership too but dogs are passed around so frequently that most don't bother.

Maybe the breeders should be asked to take more responsibility, maybe don't sell them as pets without having them neutered first to prevent them being used for illegal breeding.

I've no idea what the answers are as my dogs have been savaged by all manor of breeds and mongrels in the past.