Topic: Jordan Henderson*

[Kopenhagen]

What a fall.

[Fromola]

Went to Saudi for the money. Left early, so made no money.

Went to a shit league in Europe to fight for his England place and lost his England place.

He has prematurely ended his top level career and completely destroyed his reputation and legacy for zero benefit whatsoever. Hell of a year he's had and he only has himself to blame.

And if his ego really is all that, he'll be thinking he could have made the difference to us winning the league. Regardless, if he stays he'd have played most games as long as he was performing (look at Endo who we wouldn't have signed if he stayed) and then there's no question Southgate picks him

[RedSince86]

Not been advised well as he.

His ego wouldn't allow him to a bit part player, why would did not go to someone like a Palace, Brentford or a Bournemouth where he could start every week.

[dirkster]

International retirement announcement incoming?

[rob1966]

International retirement announcement incoming?

thought Southgate had already done that today?

[dirkster]

thought Southgate had already done that today?

Yeah I guess, but I'm sure he'll want to make some big announcement to massage his ego.

[MrGrumpy]

To my mind, Hendersons next move is player manager somewhere in the lower leagues. I don’t see him at as a squad player in a middling Premier League club, nor in MLS even if both are probably his level now.

[rob1966]

Yeah I guess, but I'm sure he'll want to make some big announcement to massage his ego.

He's a knobhead, but for his sake I hopre he doesn't announce it, just quietly fucks off and spares himself this reaction

[bird_lfc]

Go back to Sunderland for a year on a low wage and attempt to rebuild that reputation, although I’d argue the damage is probably done now. What a waste of a year for the lad.

[Bread]

The sad part for Jordan is, given the injury crisis we had in midfield at parts this season, he'd have probably gotten a lot more minutes on the pitch this season than had initially been promised last summer.

[dirkster]

He's a knobhead, but for his sake I hopre he doesn't announce it, just quietly fucks off and spares himself this reaction

Couldn't agree more.

[Always_A_Red]

A lot of bitterness in here towards one of our most successful captains. 

He didn't want to sit on the bench and left. I have no issues with that whatsoever.

I don't agree with where he went. He made a decision and it was totally the wrong one. I'm sure it's a decision he'll regret for the rest of his life.

But people are acting like he fucked us over or something? Almost revelling in the fact it's gone tits up for him because he didn't want to be a bit part player at 32/33 years old.

He was a model professional and a brilliant captain that won the fuckin lot at the heart of arguably the best Liverpool team we've seen.

I don't get why anyone wouldn't want him to do well or find peace at another club now.

[wampa1]

The sad part for Jordan is, given the injury crisis we had in midfield at parts this season, he'd have probably gotten a lot more minutes on the pitch this season than had initially been promised last summer.

At the expense of some the young lads who stepped up? No thanks.

[rob1966]

A lot of bitterness in here towards one of our most successful captains. 

He didn't want to sit on the bench and left. I have no issues with that whatsoever.

I don't agree with where he went. He made a decision and it was totally the wrong one. I'm sure it's a decision he'll regret for the rest of his life.

But people are acting like he fucked us over or something? Almost revelling in the fact it's gone tits up for him because he didn't want to be a bit part player at 32/33 years old.

He was a model professional and a brilliant captain that won the fuckin lot at the heart of arguably the best Liverpool team we've seen.

I don't get why anyone wouldn't want him to do well or find peace at another club now.

Read back through the last 12 months, its got fuck all to do with him leaving the club, its where he went and how he shit on the LGBTQ+ community that created the animosity towards him, then the absolute shite he came out with the try to justify him being a money grabbing bastard. Plus, the fucking Saudis then tried to drag LFC into it, with their ripping off our imagery, like we back that state. If he'd have chosen to go somewhere other than a despotic state, no-one would have had a bad word to say about him. Gerrard burned his bridges with a lot on here too when he took the Saudi blood money.

[Always_A_Red]

Read back through the last 12 months, its got fuck all to do with him leaving the club, its where he went and how he shit on the LGBTQ+ community that created the animosity towards him, then the absolute shite he came out with the try to justify him being a money grabbing bastard. Plus, the fucking Saudis then tried to drag LFC into it, with their ripping off our imagery, like we back that state. If he'd have chosen to go somewhere other than a despotic state, no-one would have had a bad word to say about him. Gerrard burned his bridges with a lot on here too when he took the Saudi blood money.

I don't need to read back over the last 12 months as I know what he did & said. As I said, I dont agree with where he went and I think he'll also regret it for the rest of his life.

But I really don't think that mistake tarnishes the career he had with us and what he achieved for us as a player and captain. Anfield didnt seem to think so on Sunday as we sang his name.

He's been absolutely hammered by everyone in the country for the last 12 months for every decision he's made, whether it's leaving Liverpool, joining the Saudi League, leaving the Saudi League, joining Ajax, underperforming at Ajax, being selected for England friendlies and no doubt this now allows everyone to  jump back on the bandwagon to stick the knife in again.

The lad made a mistake. Let it go. "You'll Never Walk Alone" are not just words in a song.

[GreatEx]

The irony is that by forfeiting a few million quid's salary just to get out of his self-made hell, he may have done a better job dismantling the sportswashing project than any activist.

[mullyred94]

Should just go to Sunderland and try to help them get into the league.

[paulrazor]

I agree he deserves to be remembered well here for all he was part of

But he did dig his own grave in the whole situation, he spoke out loads in support of LGBTQ but when it suited him he was quite happy to stab then in the back and take the blood money, very hypocritical

Anyway, Rinse and repeat

[rob1966]

I don't need to read back over the last 12 months as I know what he did & said. As I said, I dont agree with where he went and I think he'll also regret it for the rest of his life.

But I really don't think that mistake tarnishes the career he had with us and what he achieved for us as a player and captain. Anfield didnt seem to think so on Sunday as we sang his name.

He's been absolutely hammered by everyone in the country for the last 12 months for every decision he's made, whether it's leaving Liverpool, joining the Saudi League, leaving the Saudi League, joining Ajax, underperforming at Ajax, being selected for England friendlies and no doubt this now allows everyone to  jump back on the bandwagon to stick the knife in again.

The lad made a mistake. Let it go. "You'll Never Walk Alone" are not just words in a song.

I'll never forget or belittle his achievements, what he did and what he won, but no interest in him now for what he did by going to Saudi. He made the decision to "Walk Alone", so fuck him.

[Terry de Niro]

I'll never forget or belittle his achievements, what he did and what he won, but no interest in him now for what he did by going to Saudi. He made the decision to "Walk Alone", so fuck him.

100% Spot on.

[BarryCrocker]

He has not been included in the provisional squad for euro 2024 any of Klopp's farewell.

Quite the fall

[UntouchableLuis]

If he had waited one more season he's have had a proper send off with Klopp, Matip, Thiago, won a trophy, maybe even made the England squad...

How he didn't see the inevitable poor decision in front of him is staggering really.

[JP!]

I'll never forget or belittle his achievements, what he did and what he won, but no interest in him now for what he did by going to Saudi. He made the decision to "Walk Alone", so fuck him.

Spot on, as ever.

[Elliemental]

I can't lie, I genuinely feel bad for him. I hated what he did, but it was still beyond sad to see him leaving Liverpool out the back. No send off, no fare well from the fans in front of the Kop. After everything he achieved, he just slinked away while no one was looking. And now hearing Jamie Carragher talking on the Overlap, about how Hendo was not in the right frame of mind to be included in the Klopp send off... I take no pleasure at all in his downfall, as others on here seem to. It's just sad. I feel sad for him.

[No666]

Right frame of mind? As far as I can tell from the Carragher stuff, he was feeling bruised by a rough encounter with a Dutch journalist who asked him some hard questions about his form, and 'didn't want to do any press.' I think a bigger man would put that aside in order to contribute to Klopp's tribute. He wasn't going to be asked about himself, he was going to be asked about Klopp, as must have been quite clear. The man is a morality midget.

[Red Beret]

[Fromola]

The sad part for Jordan is, given the injury crisis we had in midfield at parts this season, he'd have probably gotten a lot more minutes on the pitch this season than had initially been promised last summer.

He would have played a lot anyway but he couldn't accept the idea he might sit on the bench at times. It was the same thing with Gerrard but that was under Rodgers anyway and a struggling team. Maybe Henderson didn't back us to challenge as well after how the previous season went. Surely he'd have been prepared to be more of a squad player for a team pushing hard for the league title most of the season and challenging on all fronts.

A peak Henderson would have been worth his weight in gold to us this season but his legs had gone and his numbers had dropped off a cliff. How he could see his arse at being dropped when he was last season the way he was playing.

[Fromola]

Read back through the last 12 months, its got fuck all to do with him leaving the club, its where he went and how he shit on the LGBTQ+ community that created the animosity towards him, then the absolute shite he came out with the try to justify him being a money grabbing bastard. Plus, the fucking Saudis then tried to drag LFC into it, with their ripping off our imagery, like we back that state. If he'd have chosen to go somewhere other than a despotic state, no-one would have had a bad word to say about him. Gerrard burned his bridges with a lot on here too when he took the Saudi blood money.

He's also really lobbied hard to Henderson to go out there and play for him which didn't help. He wouldn't have had the offer otherwise, Gerrard really helped sell it to him.

I don't think Henderson is a bad lad. Reading interviews he's done since he left I just think he's really a bit thick. His ego has been his undoing though i'd say as much as greed. Couldn't handle not being considered a key starter going into the season and then that leaves him open to the Saudi cash.

Even though the club wouldn't have got the fee, I don't think anyone would have begrudged him had he gone to Ajax last summer, they'd have wished him well.

[lindylou100]

it is pretty strange that he was a good captain, given how poor his personal judgement was and how fragile his ego is. He always came across as down to earth but his actions this last year makes me wonder if he really was leadership material. I suppose the fact that the team is full of international captains probably made his job easier.

I don't hate him, I just think he's a bit thick, childish and self absorbed like a lot of footballers and it's come back to bite him on the arse big time.  Anyhow I prefer to remember the good times, of which, he played a big part.

[Fromola]

it is pretty strange that he was a good captain, given how poor his personal judgement was and how fragile his ego is. He always came across as down to earth but his actions this last year makes me wonder if he really was leadership material. I suppose the fact that the team is full of international captains probably made his job easier.

I don't hate him, I just think he's a bit thick, childish and self absorbed like a lot of footballers and it's come back to bite him on the arse big time.  Anyhow I prefer to remember the good times, of which, he played a big part.

By all accounts he was a top captain but then the lack of leadership last season in the team was seismic, coinciding with his own poor performances and then his sulk at being dropped. I remember quotes about him saying he was struggling to get his head right after the disappointment of the World Cup mid-season which sounded odd at the time.

Before last season he was absolutely vital on the pitch to Klopp's team and midfield. I do think Milner perhaps played a bigger role in setting the standards in the dressing room.

[paulrazor]

Right frame of mind? As far as I can tell from the Carragher stuff, he was feeling bruised by a rough encounter with a Dutch journalist who asked him some hard questions about his form, and 'didn't want to do any press.' I think a bigger man would put that aside in order to contribute to Klopp's tribute. He wasn't going to be asked about himself, he was going to be asked about Klopp, as must have been quite clear. The man is a morality midget.

that journalist was a bit of a rude prick, even Klopp said so

[thejbs]

I'll never forget or belittle his achievements, what he did and what he won, but no interest in him now for what he did by going to Saudi. He made the decision to "Walk Alone", so fuck him.

Absolutely. And while his achievements shouldn’t be revised, his character should. I genuinely thought he was a great guy and loved how he spoke up for marginalised groups like a modern LFC captain should. But, in going to KSA for silly money, an already obscenely rich man (who still had a 200k p/w contact), decided money was more important than anything else he’d ever stood for.

If he’d gone to a team for footballing reasons, like he claimed, I’d have had the utmost of respect for him.

[Clayton Bigsby]

Should have embraced being a mercenary

[No666]

that journalist was a bit of a rude prick, even Klopp said so

Well, get over it - it's not the rude prick you're speaking to, you're taking part in a tribute to the manager who changed your life, not acknowledging/denying how your own form has dropped off a cliff.

[Mister Flip Flop]

To my mind, Hendersons next move is player manager somewhere in the lower leagues. I don’t see him at as a squad player in a middling Premier League club, nor in MLS even if both are probably his level now.

He's too stupid to be a player/manager. Glad it's all gone tits up for him the lad is morally vacant.

[paulrazor]

Well, get over it - it's not the rude prick you're speaking to, you're taking part in a tribute to the manager who changed your life, not acknowledging/denying how your own form has dropped off a cliff.

I never said anything other than the journo being a prick

I am sure he was in touch with Klopp privately

As far as not being there, I  doubt he feels welcome at Anfield right now

[norecat]

I think once Henderson went to to play in Saudi Arabia he was consigning his international career to the bin. I admire and appreciate his efforts for Liverpool while here. His achievements as captain can never be taken away from him. It is understandable that we as a fanbase put players up on a pedestal. He did alot for the club and was captain during a time when we returned to the summit of English football on a consistent basis.

At the end of the day he is a human being. He is not the first guy to say one thing and do another. I think he made a monumental mistake going to over to Saudi Arabia. It's a mickey mouse league and unlikely to ever progress to anything beyond that. He wouldn't be the first guy to have his head turned by colossal sums of money. It's clear looking in from the outside that he didn't think through the move properly.

He is back playing at a proper club again with Ajax. So in that sense his footballing career is back on track. However it is safe to say he has done fatal damage to his reputation amongst the Liverpool fanbase and left himself open to being lampooned by other football fans. It's a shame and I expect he regrets it now.

I wonder if he ever decided to do speaking tours after he retires what kind of reception would he get?

[Black Bull Nova]

I think once Henderson went to to play in Saudi Arabia he was consigning his international career to the bin. I admire and appreciate his efforts for Liverpool while here. His achievements as captain can never be taken away from him. It is understandable that we as a fanbase put players up on a pedestal. He did alot for the club and was captain during a time when we returned to the summit of English football on a consistent basis.

At the end of the day he is a human being. He is not the first guy to say one thing and do another. I think he made a monumental mistake going to over to Saudi Arabia. It's a mickey mouse league and unlikely to ever progress to anything beyond that. He wouldn't be the first guy to have his head turned by colossal sums of money. It's clear looking in from the outside that he didn't think through the move properly.

He is back playing at a proper club again with Ajax. So in that sense his footballing career is back on track. However it is safe to say he has done fatal damage to his reputation amongst the Liverpool fanbase and left himself open to being lampooned by other football fans. It's a shame and I expect he regrets it now.

I wonder if he ever decided to do speaking tours after he retires what kind of reception would he get?

A decent one

In Sunderland (albeit he still has time to chase Saudi Money at Beheady Park)

[Red-Soldier]

If he had waited one more season he's have had a proper send off with Klopp, Matip, Thiago, won a trophy, maybe even made the England squad...

How he didn't see the inevitable poor decision in front of him is staggering really.

Not the sharpest pencil in the box, like many footballers.  He just saw the £ signs and ran.