Topic: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges

[Tobelius]

Football is booming mate, raking in the money. Nobody wants to upset the gravy train.

Yet it feels like a third world sport to me these days,filth at the top levels of it,running it,owning it,and rules made along as they go to suit whoever pays most.

[stockdam]

I can only imagine what the reaction would be from other clubs and opposition fans if Liverpool refused to cooperate.

It certainly wouldn't be apathy...

If we made a stand then I doubt if any other club would follow us....maybe 1 or 2 but not many. All clubs should stand against cheating and not hide their heads in the sand. Every single club in the EPL has to play City twice and if they have built a team on the fondations of cheating then all clubs should unite. Just show how much a farce it is by not turning up for the games against City or sending the U23s.

[mikey_LFC]

The precedent the Premier League need to follow that’s been established in English Football is that of Leeds City, the precursor to Leeds United.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeds_City_F.C.#:~:text=The%20club%20was%20dissolved%20in,was%20established%20as%20a%20replacement.

The club was highly successful in the wartime football league; however, it faced sanction for paying its players during wartime which had been made illegal. The club was dissolved in 1919 after the club's directors failed to co-operate with the subsequent FA inquiry.

Leeds City's whole league career was in the Second Division. However, during the First World War the club won several wartime honours under the stewardship of Herbert Chapman. Following the conclusion of the war a scandal ensued and the club was accused of financial irregularities, including breaking the ban on paying players during the war, that led to the club's dissolution in 1919. They were expelled from The Football League eight games into the 1919–20 season. The harsh punishment was handed down mostly because of the behaviour of the club's directors, who refused to co-operate in an FA inquiry, and refused to hand over the club's financial records.

Funny how they also had City and the Citizens as nicknames too. History repeating itself and let’s hope the punishment does too.

[stockdam]

Leeds City didn't have a country with unlimited funds to pay off the media etc.

Nobody appears to be talking about the potential impact and everyone just talks about how great a team City are and ignore the fact that they broke rules to get to where they were. In the end the cheating has appeared to have justified itself and, in my opinion, nothing much will be done about it unless other clubs stop playing them.

[mikey_LFC]

Leeds City didn't have a country with unlimited funds to pay off the media etc.

Nobody appears to be talking about the potential impact and everyone just talks about how great a team City are and ignore the fact that they broke rules to get to where they were. In the end the cheating has appeared to have justified itself and, in my opinion, nothing much will be done about it unless other clubs stop playing them.

It’s not the media who will punish them, it’s the premier league, i.e. the other clubs. They charged them, the intent will be to punish them. The only thing stopping it, in my opinion, is the UK government stepping in to protect trade relations. That’s the point at which I’ll be done with football.

[vblfc]

It’s not the media who will punish them, it’s the premier league, i.e. the other clubs. They charged them, the intent will be to punish them. The only thing stopping it, in my opinion, is the UK government stepping in to protect trade relations. That’s the point at which I’ll be done with football.

The way voting goes recently, I wouldn’t be confident the majority of Premier League Clubs will be aligned

[mikey_LFC]

The way voting goes recently, I wouldn’t be confident the majority of Premier League Clubs will be aligned

Is it a voting matter? Don’t think the Everton or Forest ones were?

[vblfc]

Is it a voting matter? Don’t think the Everton or Forest ones were?

was just responding to the point that the other clubs would punish City.  Hard to know where other clubs stand on City.  Agree they won’t officially vote, but will they push for punishment?

[mikey_LFC]

was just responding to the point that the other clubs would punish City.  Hard to know where other clubs stand on City.  Agree they won’t officially vote, but will they push for punishment?

Fair enough. The procedure is so unclear though that I’m not entirely sure who does decide. They need to bring in specific punishments that can be enforced at the moment a charge is brought. Its not a tricky thing to do.

[norecat]

Punishing Everton and Forest is one thing. Neither club ever challenges to win top honours in the past 25 years. However City pose a dilemma for the PL.

We suspect that City have been at it since 2008. If the PL were to find them guilty of financial doping especially over a prolonged period of time it would call into account the very sporting integrity of the PL given how much City have won since 2008.

I think this terrifies those that run the EPL. The whole validity of the PL would be left in tatters if the truly held City accountable for their financial shenanigans.

[vblfc]

Punishing Everton and Forest is one thing. Neither club ever challenges to win top honours in the past 25 years. However City pose a dilemma for the PL.

We suspect that City have been at it since 2008. If the PL were to find them guilty of financial doping especially over a prolonged period of time it would call into account the very sporting integrity of the PL given how much City have won since 2008.

I think this terrifies those that run the EPL. The whole validity of the PL would be left in tatters if the truly held City accountable for their financial shenanigans.

Sounds like the case to be heard in October (with another League, FA Cup, League cup, Champions League underway) with outcome expected in 2025 (maybe another set of competitions underway?). Pep will be gone by then, as probably Masters who runs the Prem League. It will have been like 17 years since the start of 115 cases, and it can be then brushed over as history.  The action is so slow and late it is hard to have any expectations or to take seriously.  Basically there will not be many of the people involved who are around to govern this or be held accountable for it. Becomes more toothless as the years roll along.

[Mister Flip Flop]

Football is booming mate, raking in the money. Nobody wants to upset the gravy train.

Financially it's booming yes, morally it's never been poorer.

[mikey_LFC]

Punishing Everton and Forest is one thing. Neither club ever challenges to win top honours in the past 25 years. However City pose a dilemma for the PL.

We suspect that City have been at it since 2008. If the PL were to find them guilty of financial doping especially over a prolonged period of time it would call into account the very sporting integrity of the PL given how much City have won since 2008.

I think this terrifies those that run the EPL. The whole validity of the PL would be left in tatters if the truly held City accountable for their financial shenanigans.

If they were worried about the integrity of the league from exposing City’s cheating, why would they charge them?

[norecat]

It makes it look like they are taking action. All about optics

[mikey_LFC]

It makes it look like they are taking action. All about optics

How does it help the optics to expose cheating and then not punish it? Anything but a massive, crippling punishment for City is bad for optics of the future seasons, especially if City are allowed to continue their dominance built upon years of cheating.

[Nitramdorf]

Dont go the BBC website, theres a headline from the prick Guardiola " City success not down to money." I despair.

[Peabee]

Dont go the BBC website, theres a headline from the prick Guardiola " City success not down to money." I despair.

Hahaha. OK, Guardiola, let us see you do the same at Chester City FC with a budget of 500 Tesco clubcard points.

[JRed]

Dont go the BBC website, theres a headline from the prick Guardiola " City success not down to money." I despair.

I agree with him, it’s not just down to money, it’s all to do with the cheating.

[oojason]

Dont go the BBC website, theres a headline from the prick Guardiola " City success not down to money." I despair.

It was one of their promoted or featured articles last night and early this morning mate.

Sportswashing PR in action. At the BBC (as usual).

[Buster Gonad]

Dont go the BBC website, theres a headline from the prick Guardiola " City success not down to money." I despair.

He could be right. It may well be down to some of the other forms of cheating he's known for also.

[spider-neil]

Dont go the BBC website, theres a headline from the prick Guardiola " City success not down to money." I despair.

180m spent during the pandemic when pretty much every other team was pulling in their purse strings.

[Rob K]

I look forward to him managing a club that isn't one of the richest in their league soon then, what with money not making a difference and that.

[Son of Spion]

Dont go the BBC website, theres a headline from the prick Guardiola " City success not down to money." I despair.

What is it with this fella? He's either a simply trolling or he's seriously lacking in awareness.

Those players simply do not even glance in the direction of Man City before they were sportswashed and became the Abu Dhabi 115s. Not one of them would be pulling on a City shirt if it wasn't for the money on offer and the promise of success that sportswashing on that magnitude guarantees. Guardiola laughs his head off if he gets a call from Man City asking him to manage them. In fact, he doesn't even take the call. His cleaner rejects them for him. He's there for one reason only. The sportswashers will provide him with every conceivable advantage money can buy.

Sorry Ped, but it's all down to the money. Without it, you're not there. Those players aren't there either. City are probably still yo-yoing up and down the divisions and being bitter about their local rivals.

[koptommy93]

I'm tempted to want Arsenal to win the league instead of these but I hate the idea of Arsenal getting to celebrate properly when we didn't

[Walshy nMe®]

Seems very upset and rattled in his presser, would be a great time for more people to ask him about the charges and how *exactly* he is paid by City.

[JRed]

Four titles in a row and still won’t get more than two bus stops for the parade.
Such a sham of a club and a shit stain on the game. The PL should be ashamed of what they’ve allowed Abu Dhabi to do.

[The North Bank]

Richard Dunne was their captain and stephen Ireland their best player, before the money came in. Its all money, nothing but money.
They cheat and want applause for it

[Giono]

Man City are typical of our age. Not builders, but grifters looking to milk a sport built by others.

[Terry de Niro]

Richard Dunne was their captain and stephen Ireland their best player, before the money came in. Its all money, nothing but money.
They cheat and want applause for it

Didn't they get beat by Middlesbrough, 8-1?

[smutchin]

Punishing Everton and Forest is one thing. Neither club ever challenges to win top honours in the past 25 years. However City pose a dilemma for the PL.

We suspect that City have been at it since 2008. If the PL were to find them guilty of financial doping especially over a prolonged period of time it would call into account the very sporting integrity of the PL given how much City have won since 2008.

I think this terrifies those that run the EPL. The whole validity of the PL would be left in tatters if the truly held City accountable for their financial shenanigans.

Not sure that's entirely fair on the PL. The charges only arose because of the hacking/leaks. You could argue we've known from the start that there was dodgy stuff going on but knowing it and having the evidence to prove it are not the same.

It's dragging on so long because the PL are being super careful to make sure their case is watertight - Uefa got embarrassed by their case being thrown out by CAS on technicalities and the PL don't want the same to happen to them.

The good news is that those technicalities don't apply in the PL and there's no right of appeal to CAS.

The bad news is that the sources of evidence are a bit hooky so City will feel they can challenge the case on those grounds - which is why they have refused to cooperate.

Cycling bounced back from the Armstrong scandal, I'm sure football would be able to survive any fallout from punishing City. I think the risk of reputational damage (among fans like us, for example) is far greater if they DON'T punish them.

[Sangria]

I'm tempted to want Arsenal to win the league instead of these but I hate the idea of Arsenal getting to celebrate properly when we didn't

I'd rather anyone other than sportswashers win anything. The idea that traditional rivalry should be maintained above all else is why they prevail.

[smutchin]

I'd rather anyone other than sportswashers win anything. The idea that traditional rivalry should be maintained above all else is why they prevail.

Agreed. I can live with hating to see Arsenal win. It won't be as bad as 1989.

[thaddeus]

I'm seeing more and more young kids with full Man City kits on (I live in the Midlands these days).  As a kid I remember getting bantz from all the local kids that supported Man U, now my kids are getting it from the next generation of gobshites - only this time around they're wearing sky blue.

The one that really hits me is when the parent is a keen supporter of another club but they've let their kids pick Man City.

[LFCEmpire]

The sooner City fuck off the better. What a shit stain on the beautiful game they are.

[swoopy]

Not sure that's entirely fair on the PL. The charges only arose because of the hacking/leaks. You could argue we've known from the start that there was dodgy stuff going on but knowing it and having the evidence to prove it are not the same.

That's the stupid thing about it whenever you mention anything to one of their stupid robotic fans about it all. You just get a "well, the evidence was hacked"... doesn't make it not true though does it !

[lfc_col]

Man City are typical of our age. Not builders, but grifters looking to milk a sport built by others.

And want respect even though everything they do is fake

[lfc_col]

The sooner City fuck off the better. What a shit stain on the beautiful game they are.

Be a great day for the sport when these c*nts are finally handed whats due to them but can we really see it happening

[LFCEmpire]

Be a great day for the sport when these c*nts are finally handed whats due to them but can we really see it happening

We have to hope and believe justice will be done. The league and football in general will be meaningless if ADFC just walk away Scot-free.

[GinKop]

We have to hope and believe justice will be done. The league and football in general will be is meaningless if as ADFC just walk away Scot-free.

[SamLad]

Cycling bounced back from the Armstrong scandal, I'm sure football would be able to survive any fallout from punishing City. I think the risk of reputational damage (among fans like us, for example) is far greater if they DON'T punish them.

the analogies with Armstrong are good, up to a point.

how would it all have worked out with him, if he had been funded by, and enjoyed the direct backing of, the US government?

imo, he'd have never got brought to task because the people running the sport would have been scared to piss off the Americans.

that's what's been happening with AD/115. and I expect it will continue.