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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #80480 on: May 13, 2024, 07:55:00 pm »
basically, despise hating every moment of being there, Barca are so broke that they can’t afford to pay another manager out of their contract so they guilt tripped Xavi into staying.

Same as Samie and his pet goat.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #80481 on: May 13, 2024, 07:56:29 pm »
Get us the names of the second club candidates.

A team in Portugal, Belgium and France are/were rumoured Mongy.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #80482 on: May 13, 2024, 07:56:42 pm »
Might need to get OFSTED on your arse again. Pretending to live as a Geography teacher yer fuckin' criminal.
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #80483 on: May 13, 2024, 10:17:11 pm »
Zirkzee looks a bit of a player. Is he rated?

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #80484 on: May 13, 2024, 10:19:12 pm »
Get some athletic gods.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #80485 on: May 13, 2024, 10:21:52 pm »
Watching the Villa game tonight we need a CB - LB - DM - LW -STR its alot but its needed desperately now that was a shocking collapse tonight.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #80486 on: May 13, 2024, 10:26:33 pm »
Hope the club don't listen to Mac and we get a DM as our first signing.
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #80487 on: May 13, 2024, 10:28:19 pm »
Zirkzee looks a bit of a player. Is he rated?

Been heavily linked with Arsenal. Any reason he didn’t succeed at Bayern?

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #80488 on: May 13, 2024, 10:28:57 pm »
Watching the Villa game tonight we need a CB - LB - DM - LW -STR its alot but its needed desperately now that was a shocking collapse tonight.
If Salah goes you can add a right winger too

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #80489 on: May 13, 2024, 10:34:17 pm »
If Salah goes you can add a right winger too

Should we also sell Salah, Niko Williams and Olise either side would be nice  :P

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #80490 on: May 13, 2024, 10:44:57 pm »
Get some athletic gods.

Pretty much this, we need to add more physicality through the spine of the team. So easy to play against and through

The majority of the money needs to go on a 6 and a centre back

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #80491 on: May 13, 2024, 10:51:20 pm »
Pretty much this, we need to add more physicality through the spine of the team. So easy to play against and through

The majority of the money needs to go on a 6 and a centre back

And some midfielders who aren’t scared to put a foot in and not shit out of every 50/50.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #80492 on: May 13, 2024, 10:53:35 pm »
We do need an athletic, built like brick hithouse #6 and one who can play too.  France have them made by a conveyor belt. Get one in.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #80493 on: May 13, 2024, 10:56:07 pm »
Sign a boss defensive midfielder
Sign a boss centre half
Sign a boss left winger

That should all be doable without having to move a single player on, which of course we will do. Squad players should bring in a respectable amount and I expect a couple of first teamers might be moved on themselves so no time for penny pinching and starting Slot off on the wrong foot. Add some more top quality players on top of what's here. We're well stacked on squad players.

Left wing intrigues me. Not sure who really stands out, maybe Edwards will favour someone who hasn't actually been playing there and can sort of be moulded into what we're looking for. Hope the super duper nerd computer doesn't tell him it's the one from Leeds, we need real quality that's made an impact on top level football.
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #80495 on: May 13, 2024, 11:25:58 pm »
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #80496 on: May 13, 2024, 11:33:46 pm »
The recruitment needs a refresh. Im not sold on the players we have purchased since summer 2022 and we seem to have got the balance wrong. Our best players are still the ones that were here from at least 2018.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #80497 on: May 13, 2024, 11:37:49 pm »
Crying out for an upgrade on Diaz. I know people have bigger question marks over Nunez and Gakpo, but he’s the only one who I can’t see improving.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #80498 on: May 13, 2024, 11:42:14 pm »
Yeah we need speed demons on the wing again.  Mo's pace at the top levle is gone and Diaz only does it occasions.

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« Reply #80499 on: May 14, 2024, 12:09:13 am »
Yeah we need speed demons on the wing again.  Mo's pace at the top levle is gone and Diaz only does it occasions.
I want to see Mo as a centre-forward. We did it once, he scored a hat-trick, and we never did it again. I don't understand why. There's no shame in once-great wide players moving centrally - they all do it. There are also plenty of forwards who lost their pace but still remained a goal threat because of their movement and finishing ability. Our right-hand side has become too predictable.

I suppose the only issue is that we'd then have 4 players for one position and a solitary winger who isn't actually that good, but blame that on our squad planning.

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« Reply #80500 on: May 14, 2024, 12:14:30 am »
I want to see Mo as a centre-forward. We did it once, he scored a hat-trick, and we never did it again. I don't understand why. There's no shame in once-great wide players moving centrally - they all do it. There are also plenty of forwards who lost their pace but still remained a goal threat because of their movement and finishing ability. Our right-hand side has become too predictable.

I suppose the only issue is that we'd then have 4 players for one position and a solitary winger who isn't actually that good, but blame that on our squad planning.

He could move into a centre forwards role but I dont see it happening as part of a lone forward. These days Mo is best when on the ball facing the goal and having that space afforded to him to be creative. Dont believe that him being kicked by defenders with his back to goal will help him.

He would have to play alongside another striker.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #80501 on: May 14, 2024, 12:27:37 am »
I want to see Mo as a centre-forward. We did it once, he scored a hat-trick, and we never did it again. I don't understand why. There's no shame in once-great wide players moving centrally - they all do it. There are also plenty of forwards who lost their pace but still remained a goal threat because of their movement and finishing ability. Our right-hand side has become too predictable.

I suppose the only issue is that we'd then have 4 players for one position and a solitary winger who isn't actually that good, but blame that on our squad planning.
That was when he was quicker. He can't play as a striker because he doesn't enjoy the physical part of the game. Instead of tussling with fullbacks which he's struggling with now, he'd be tussling with stronger centrehalves and his holdup play is just not good enough for that role neither does he have the pace to run the channels.

If you play him behind the striker, it's effectively a midfied role. Can we carry someone that doesn't commit to tackles nor track back in the middle? It would be a lot easier to play through us than it is now.

IMO, a team can only carry one player. We're currently carrying two in Trent and Mo on the same side as well which is overkill. We need to be and play as a team again. If not, then the individuals being carried need to put in 8/10s regularly to justify it. I remember the chat about changing things to "carry" Fab before he was sold. If we're doing that for 2 players then we're not a team anymore.
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #80502 on: May 14, 2024, 12:48:42 am »
Yeah we need speed demons on the wing again.  .

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« Reply #80503 on: May 14, 2024, 01:17:25 am »
That was when he was quicker. He can't play as a striker because he doesn't enjoy the physical part of the game. Instead of tussling with fullbacks which he's struggling with now, he'd be tussling with stronger centrehalves and his holdup play is just not good enough for that role neither does he have the pace to run the channels.

If you play him behind the striker, it's effectively a midfied role. Can we carry someone that doesn't commit to tackles nor track back in the middle? It would be a lot easier to play through us than it is now.

IMO, a team can only carry one player. We're currently carrying two in Trent and Mo on the same side as well which is overkill. We need to be and play as a team again. If not, then the individuals being carried need to put in 8/10s regularly to justify it. I remember the chat about changing things to "carry" Fab before he was sold. If we're doing that for 2 players then we're not a team anymore.
He doesn't necessarily have to be physical. Jota does just fine. I think it could work, and if it's not an option then I think he's better off being sold while we can still get money for him.

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Bradley    Konate   Virgil    Robertson
Trent    CDM
RW             Mac Allister              LW
Salah

If we nailed those two wingers - find Slot's Mane basically - I think that general line up would work well. Obviously I'd have Jota in there but you can't count on his fitness. I also don't think we will realistically sign a 6 given that we'd also have Endo, Gravenberch, Bajcetic, Jones, Elliott, Szoboszlai.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #80504 on: May 14, 2024, 03:11:10 am »
He doesn't necessarily have to be physical. Jota does just fine. I think it could work, and if it's not an option then I think he's better off being sold while we can still get money for him.

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Trent    CDM
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Salah

If we nailed those two wingers - find Slot's Mane basically - I think that general line up would work well. Obviously I'd have Jota in there but you can't count on his fitness. I also don't think we will realistically sign a 6 given that we'd also have Endo, Gravenberch, Bajcetic, Jones, Elliott, Szoboszlai.

Agreed. We would need a bigger, more athletic winger to pair with Mo and Mac Allister. I think Szboszlai might make a great winger in a 4-2-3-1. Either side depending on the balance. Szobo loves running. Slot should let him focus on doing that at an elite level. He was killing teams with those long out-to-in runs at the beginning of the season. It disappeared from his game in the second half of the season, with the odd reappearance here and there, like home to Chelsea.

Szobo moving forward might also free up a spot for an DM. I think we need one. Not just any, but one would who reads the game exceptionally well. We give up so many goals from bad positioning in transition. The midfielders just aren't in the right place at the right time. We need a DM who knows where to be and can get there on time. (Endo knows where to be, to be fair, but he doesn't always get there.) I'm not even sure a new DM would need to be top class in other aspects of the game. I would thrilled to have one who can read the game as well as Lucas could.         
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #80505 on: May 14, 2024, 06:11:27 am »
He doesn't necessarily have to be physical. Jota does just fine. I think it could work, and if it's not an option then I think he's better off being sold while we can still get money for him.

Alisson
Bradley    Konate   Virgil    Robertson
Trent    CDM
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Salah

If we nailed those two wingers - find Slot's Mane basically - I think that general line up would work well. Obviously I'd have Jota in there but you can't count on his fitness. I also don't think we will realistically sign a 6 given that we'd also have Endo, Gravenberch, Bajcetic, Jones, Elliott, Szoboszlai.

As we buy cheaper than most

DM - Fofana / Wiefer £25m
LW - Summerville  £25m
CB - Hancko - £35m  also get Tosin on a free

should we need a right wing Gilherme (Palmeiras) should be around £20m

£85m (£105m with RW) without sale and should improve us alot.

Diaz     £65m - £85m
Endo    £15m  - £20m

wages saved from big earners like Thiago around £18m a year.

Niko Williams would be great buy at £43m but his wages are big about £200k
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #80506 on: May 14, 2024, 07:47:01 am »
We've been dribbled past more than any other side. A top mobile DM has to be the priority. Mac Allister isn't a no.6
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« Reply #80507 on: May 14, 2024, 07:57:34 am »
We've been dribbled past more than any other side. A top mobile DM has to be the priority. Mac Allister isn't a no.6
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Endo done well but very slow. Mac slow too but obviously he is incredible

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« Reply #80508 on: May 14, 2024, 08:05:03 am »
He doesn't necessarily have to be physical. Jota does just fine. I think it could work, and if it's not an option then I think he's better off being sold while we can still get money for him.

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Trent    CDM
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Salah

If we nailed those two wingers - find Slot's Mane basically - I think that general line up would work well. Obviously I'd have Jota in there but you can't count on his fitness. I also don't think we will realistically sign a 6 given that we'd also have Endo, Gravenberch, Bajcetic, Jones, Elliott, Szoboszlai.
Jota's hold up play isn't great and we struggle to get out as a result when we're under pressure. See Chelsea away, Arsenal away, Fulham away (2nd leg of LC) as examples.

The difference between Jota and Mo in that position is his workrate which makes it harder for teams to play out. If you want to press then your number 9's work rate is vital and Mo can't do that anymore. What will happen is that teams will play through our "press" easily and get a lot of joy.

There is enough evidence of teams waltzing through us with ease WHEN he's on the pitch because you can't play a half-arsed pressing system with a highline and some in the frontline that jogs or walks.  We played against Westham and Fulham without him and we looked like a coherent team that wasn't easy to play. We brought him onto against the latter and surprise surprise they were waltzing through us.

Carrying two players is overkill. We can carry Trent with a right winger that has a higher workrate as seen against Fulham and Westham but if we're carrying two then we're not a team unit anymore but a collection of individuals and those individuals have to perform very well consistently to make it worth it.

Slot is a manager that likes to press. How will you press with Mo as a striker?

Wuth respect to the midfield,  Trent and Mac can NOT play together because they are players that need defensive protection. Teams will still waltz through us easily with a number 9 that doesn't press and two midfielders that can be bypassed 1v1. God help us with that spine.

If we're serious about challenging for/winning the league or CL next season then this summer has to be a big summer because we need a new striker, a new centreback, 1/2  midfielders, a winger or two... etc.

Darwin has good qualities to play as a number 9 but he's just too raw and inconsistent to be relied on.

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« Reply #80509 on: May 14, 2024, 08:13:43 am »
We've been dribbled past more than any other side. A top mobile DM has to be the priority. Mac Allister isn't a no.6
Just having a look at this stat and a 6 doesn't seem to correlate with this and us being good defensively at all. In 18/19, 19/20 and 21/22 Fabinho was dribbled past more than he stopped it and with a worse percentage than Mac Allister this year (whoi get played different positions but not going through and breaking that down)

Under defensive actions:
https://fbref.com/en/squads/822bd0ba/2018-2019/Liverpool-Stats


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« Reply #80510 on: May 14, 2024, 08:20:51 am »
In fairness, in my mind we are not challenging for the title next year. City and Arsenal are going to reaching 90-ish points and their respective managers and squads aren't going anywhere this summer. I like our squad on the whole, but I still think it's lacking balance in a number of ways - five forwards without a good enough winger, plenty of midfielders but all attack-minded, two LBs who have both seen their best years - and I don't think we can fix that in one window with a new manager.

Big questions over Salah then, because while you raise some good points, I'd still much rather he was a CF than a winger.

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« Reply #80511 on: May 14, 2024, 08:30:14 am »
In fairness, in my mind we are not challenging for the title next year. City and Arsenal are going to reaching 90-ish points and their respective managers and squads aren't going anywhere this summer. I like our squad on the whole, but I still think it's lacking balance in a number of ways - five forwards without a good enough winger, plenty of midfielders but all attack-minded, two LBs who have both seen their best years - and I don't think we can fix that in one window with a new manager.

Big questions over Salah then, because while you raise some good points, I'd still much rather he was a CF than a winger.

Dont think we can rule out a challenge, but we do seem to be on an island of the third best side, probably an island closer to the top two and away from the rest, but not on the same piece of land as them.

Said before that I think we need an injection of 3 really top class players in this squad. Our best players are still the class of 2018 and we only have one world class player under 30 and in Trent its probably the last player you would want in that age bracket (id rather Salah or Van Dijk were 25).

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« Reply #80512 on: May 14, 2024, 08:35:09 am »
Crying out for an upgrade on Diaz. I know people have bigger question marks over Nunez and Gakpo, but he’s the only one who I can’t see improving.

I think that the current forward line will be entirely phased out over the next two summers. I also think Diaz should be the first to go, we’ll get good value for him this summer.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #80513 on: May 14, 2024, 08:42:49 am »
IMO, a team can only carry one player. We're currently carrying two in Trent and Mo on the same side as well which is overkill. We need to be and play as a team again. If not, then the individuals being carried need to put in 8/10s regularly to justify it. I remember the chat about changing things to "carry" Fab before he was sold. If we're doing that for 2 players then we're not a team anymore.

Ive been thinking about this recently. If you were able to choose positions for your players you'd 100% put Trent and Salah on opposite sides of the pitch. We've given our most offensive defender, and one of our best creators, the least protection from his wide forward for the entirety of his time in the first team because he's played behind Salah, who's never been brilliant off the ball and has probably regressed given his seeming physical decline.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #80514 on: May 14, 2024, 09:03:35 am »
In fairness, in my mind we are not challenging for the title next year. City and Arsenal are going to reaching 90-ish points and their respective managers and squads aren't going anywhere this summer. I like our squad on the whole, but I still think it's lacking balance in a number of ways - five forwards without a good enough winger, plenty of midfielders but all attack-minded, two LBs who have both seen their best years - and I don't think we can fix that in one window with a new manager.

Big questions over Salah then, because while you raise some good points, I'd still much rather he was a CF than a winger.

I think we can challenge next year, we sort of did in a shadow way this season with a terrible patch of injuries and by blooding Quansah and Bradley - which went miraculously well for those young players.

We do need 3 for the first team though, and they probably need to be nailed-on, Michael Edwards bangers.

-Defensive midfielder: must be a covering machine, sniffing out danger, Fabinho or Mascherano models.

-Centre back: possibly left-sided, around 22-25, powerful, great availability record.

-Right-sided winger: rapid, direct, probably has a high-ceiling, with high-goal involvements.


Personally unconvinced about Trent as a midfielder, which could be a big issue. But sort the midfield out and he can get back to being a world class right back again, with games for Bradley if we rotate for some CL group games and cups.

Number 9 is an issue, unless Slot can unlock greater calmness in Darwin.

If we put all our resources into those 3 players, Slot has enough elsewhere to play with for an impactful first season, provided Salah stays.

If there is a Mo transfer this summer, we'd have to shake up that forward line even more.
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #80515 on: May 14, 2024, 09:07:50 am »
Personally unconvinced about Trent as a midfielder, which could be a big issue. But sort the midfield out and he can get back to being a world class right back again, with games for Bradley if we rotate for some CL group games and cups.

I don't think he wants to be a right back anymore, which could be an even bigger issue

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« Reply #80516 on: May 14, 2024, 09:16:44 am »
I don't think he wants to be a right back anymore, which could be an even bigger issue

I think you might be right, in which case it is lucky Slot will have a team around him to come up with a plan: don't think we can afford to lose Trent. 100% not.
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #80517 on: May 14, 2024, 09:30:58 am »
Crying out for an upgrade on Diaz. I know people have bigger question marks over Nunez and Gakpo, but he’s the only one who I can’t see improving.

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« Reply #80518 on: May 14, 2024, 09:31:21 am »
Ive been thinking about this recently. If you were able to choose positions for your players you'd 100% put Trent and Salah on opposite sides of the pitch. We've given our most offensive defender, and one of our best creators, the least protection from his wide forward for the entirety of his time in the first team because he's played behind Salah, who's never been brilliant off the ball and has probably regressed given his seeming physical decline.
Yeah, at the very least they shouldn't play on the same side.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé
« Reply #80519 on: May 14, 2024, 09:43:49 am »
I think you might be right, in which case it is lucky Slot will have a team around him to come up with a plan: don't think we can afford to lose Trent. 100% not.

If we got the signings you suggested (positions) I wouldn't stress too much if he went, he's unique and wouldn't want to lose him of course but we've lost better (more important)

I think i've joked before that he wasn't trying to get Bellingham here last summer, it was Bellingham trying to get him to Madrid