Topic: Champions League Group Stage Draw - 25/08/2022 5pm ish.

[Samie]

it’s understood that UEFA is likely to confirm the schedule on Saturday, along with the fixtures for the Europa League and Europa Conference League. [@TheAthleticUK]

[classycarra]

Wonder if there's room (or appetite) for some element of discussion and joint action with Rangers after they also had a horrible (luckily not quite as horrific) cup final experience thanks to UEFA

[kesey]

In general, a rabid dog would be better company than a Rangers fan.

That is one extreme comment .

[Big Dirk]

I call them Sevco as they were wound up and reformed for financial cheating, that's why, and their supporters are Brexit Ultra right wing knuckle draggers, looking at your avatar, I'd say you're the same.

How does having the flag of your country make you a knuckle dragger?

[Tokyoite]

Could have been worse so can't complain about the group we got. Excited to play Ajax!

[kavah]

Would have preferred not to get Napoli again because the folks going there will have to be on their guard and they do travel with some dickheads too. Hope we have a great night in Glasgow and they enjoy Liverpool, and it will be nice to play in Amsterdam with some fans there.

[jonesygeez]

God knows why the fixtures announced Saturday, I am sure last year was few hours after draw?!  Maybe wrong.

I am just PRAYING that Rangers Home isnt round 1/2 as I cant make it - please be 3/4//5/6!

[Indomitable_Carp]

Well I know two Rangers fans well, and they are sound as a pound, one txt me at 5.00 to say ‘I hope we get you’...not because of any raging animosity, quite the opposite, but because a few years ago they were getting beat by Annan athletic and now they just want to be on the same pitch as one of Europe’s elite

Please let’s not let one village idiot and an unhealthy dose of sectarianism spoil what could be a couple of cracking occasions

They played Man Utd in 2010 (3 European Cups at time of match), before that Barcelona in 2007 (2 European Cups at the time) and before that Bayern Munich in 1999 (3 European Cups at the time).

Going by number of European Cups a club has held at the time of them playing, we are the most elite European Club they have ever faced (they played Real Madrid back in the 1964 Cup Winners Cup when Real Madrid had 5 European Cups)

To say their fans will be up for it would be an understatement.

[KeithK83]

How does having the flag of your country make you a knuckle dragger?

I wouldnt say it means someone is a knuckle dragger, exactly. Thats a bit sweeping. But generally those who need to secure a sense of identity by reference to symbols, historiography and the past deeds of others are insecure by nature and more prone to outbursts of emotional irrationality when they percieve some threat to these symbols, which they see as constituting a core part of themself. In extreme cases this can lead to violence. Nationalism is an ugly weapon used to control and manipulate people into serving the needs of a few at the expense of the servant. Generally, it is cultivated and defined through emotions such as fear or hate and concepts such as exclusion. Violence is its inevtiable outcome.

[Lycan]

As much as I didn't want Rangers(because of their fanbase), I'm glad we didn't get Celtic. Be arsed with all the chat about who sang YNWA first and who sings it better. Zzzzzzzzzz...

[So… Howard Philips]

As much as I didn't want Rangers(because of their fanbase), I'm glad we didn't get Celtic. Be arsed with all the chat about who sang YNWA first and who sings it better. Zzzzzzzzzz...

Don’t mention the ‘Fields of……..’ then.

[Barneylfc∗]

How does having the flag of your country make you a knuckle dragger?

Being from Belfast, you should know that isn't the flag of Northern Ireland, and that we don't have one.

[rossipersempre]

As much as I didn't want Rangers(because of their fanbase), I'm glad we didn't get Celtic. Be arsed with all the chat about who sang YNWA first and who sings it better. Zzzzzzzzzz...

Would have been nice for Kenny though.

[Indomitable_Carp]

Would have been nice for Kenny though.

Kenny was boyhood Rangers anyway wasn´t he?? The Rabid Knuckle Dragging Mongrel Dog!! 

[Barneylfc∗]

As much as I didn't want Rangers(because of their fanbase), I'm glad we didn't get Celtic. Be arsed with all the chat about who sang YNWA first and who sings it better. Zzzzzzzzzz...

And the fact we would've had to listen to them vile c*nts singing their IRA songs. They're both a bunch of c*nts.

[So… Howard Philips]

Kenny was boyhood Rangers anyway wasn´t he?? The Rabid Knuckle Dragging Mongrel Dog!! 

And Ferguson used to give him a lift to training.

[Crosby Nick]

And Ferguson used to give him a lift to training.

Bet that took a while with all those hard shoulder stop offs.

[Big Dirk]

Being from Belfast, you should know that isn't the flag of Northern Ireland, and that we don't have one.

Really?What flag is used when the Northern Ireland international football team play then?

[Barneylfc∗]

Really?What flag is used when the Northern Ireland international football team play then?

They use the Ulster banner. Ulster that includes 3 counties that aren't in Northern Ireland. Anyway, not relevant to the thread so lets leave it there.

[Big Dirk]

I had the misfortune to be in Belfast the day of CL Final and got briefly caught up with the Cenntenial march in the afternoon. Never seen so many Rangers shirts in my life, and yes, the atmosphere was rabid to say the least. Toddlers twirling batons in front of armoured Land Rovers and all that shit. Had to explain it to my youngest, keeping his hoodie tightly zipped up over his Salah Liverpool top, and getting him through the mob without incident.

Football-wise, had a feeling we’d get Napoli yet again. And another go at United’s new feeder club? Even less to worry about. Should be straightforward qualification with a game or two to spare like last season’s Group of Death that we made an absolute mockery of.

You see it’s nonsense like this that really irritates me….Why would he have to cover up his Salah Liverpool top?There will just be as many Liverpool tops on show on the twelfth as Rangers…..walk down any Protestant area in Northern Ireland and most likely Liverpool tops will out number Rangers tops…Liverpool have a massive following over here from both sides.

[Big Dirk]

They use the Ulster banner. Ulster that includes 3 counties that aren't in Northern Ireland. Anyway, not relevant to the thread so lets leave it there.

So it’s the same flag then👍🏻

[Barneylfc∗]

You seen it’s nonsense like this that really irritates me….Why would he have to cover up his Salah Liverpool top?There will just be as many Liverpool tops on show on the twelfth as Rangers…..walk down any Protestant area in Northern Ireland and most likely Liverpool tops will out number Rangers tops…Liverpool have a massive following over here from both sides.

I walk round Monkstown on an almost daily basis. They really don't 

[-Willo-]

I call them Sevco as they were wound up and reformed for financial cheating, that's why, and their supporters are Brexit Ultra right wing knuckle draggers, looking at your avatar, I'd say you're the same.

It's just so childish to assume what people are like based on the team they support, especially from a city like Glasgow, where you are simply born into Celtic or Rangers.

Believe it or not peoples whole identity in life isn't summarised by what 11 lads they cheer for once a week, is yours?

[rossipersempre]

You seen it’s nonsense like this that really irritates me….Why would he have to cover up his Salah Liverpool top?There will just be as many Liverpool tops on show on the twelfth as Rangers…..walk down any Protestant area in Northern Ireland and most likely Liverpool tops will out number Rangers tops…Liverpool have a massive following over here from both sides.

It’s not nonsense in the sense he felt unsafe.

[Big Dirk]

I walk round Monkstown on an almost daily basis. They really don't 

i would tend to disagree and I would deliver a lot in Monkstown and Rathcoole.😃

[Big Dirk]

It’s not nonsense in the sense he felt unsafe.

Well you should have explained to him not to feel unsafe and showed him plenty of other young kids wearing Liverpool tops cause there would have been loads.

[rossipersempre]

Well you should have explained to him not to feel unsafe and showed him plenty of other young kids wearing Liverpool tops cause there would have been loads.

Oh I did my best, but it was the general vibe he picked up on like a hostile away. Yes, there were a fair few really young kids with Liverpool tops but in the bit we got caught up trying to get through, it was Rangers shirts everywhere..

[thaddeus]

That's a good draw.  All will be competitive games but we'll be favourites in every tie.  The atmospheres should be really good.

I think the rest of the teams will all take points off each other so that's always a bonus.

[thejbs]

I wouldnt say it means someone is a knuckle dragger, exactly. Thats a bit sweeping. But generally those who need to secure a sense of identity by reference to symbols, historiography and the past deeds of others are insecure by nature and more prone to outbursts of emotional irrationality when they percieve some threat to these symbols, which they see as constituting a core part of themself. In extreme cases this can lead to violence. Nationalism is an ugly weapon used to control and manipulate people into serving the needs of a few at the expense of the servant. Generally, it is cultivated and defined through emotions such as fear or hate and concepts such as exclusion. Violence is its inevtiable outcome.

And in Northern Ireland, it is particularly so. Flags are territorial pissing here. A lot of our English clients express disbelief at the union flags, bunting and kerbstones that bedeck towns and streets long past July 12th.

[Indomitable_Carp]

It's just so childish to assume what people are like based on the team they support, especially from a city like Glasgow, where you are simply born into Celtic or Rangers.

Believe it or not peoples whole identity in life isn't summarised by what 11 lads they cheer for once a week, is yours?

Its true. Two of the soundest lads I met whilst living in Australia were a couple of Glasweigen Rangers supporters, who I´ve kept in contact with. Not only were they sound, but they broke pretty much every Rangers stereotype. They voted for Scottish independence, they loved Ireland and Irish people and they didn´t like the Queen. They were just born and bred Rangers (Mind you one of them was in a Masonic Lodge )

[pl_kop_1969]

I wouldnt say it means someone is a knuckle dragger, exactly. Thats a bit sweeping. But generally those who need to secure a sense of identity by reference to symbols, historiography and the past deeds of others are insecure by nature and more prone to outbursts of emotional irrationality when they percieve some threat to these symbols, which they see as constituting a core part of themself. In extreme cases this can lead to violence. Nationalism is an ugly weapon used to control and manipulate people into serving the needs of a few at the expense of the servant. Generally, it is cultivated and defined through emotions such as fear or hate and concepts such as exclusion. Violence is its inevtiable outcome.

Couldn't help but think "generally those who need to secure a sense of identity by reference to symbols, historiography and the past deeds of others" was a pretty succinct description of football fans :-)

[Indomitable_Carp]

Couldn't help but think "generally those who need to secure a sense of identity by reference to symbols, historiography and the past deeds of others" was a pretty succinct description of football fans :-)

I also thought the same thing. Perfect description of what it is to be a footy fan 

[So… Howard Philips]

Couldn't help but think "generally those who need to secure a sense of identity by reference to symbols, historiography and the past deeds of others" was a pretty succinct description of football fans :-)

 

[Tonyh8su]

Be arsed with all the chat about who sang YNWA first

One of the most odious claims in football from them. Sure, lads, yis were singing showtunes before a Liverpool lad covered it. Fools.

[Fromola]

As much as I didn't want Rangers(because of their fanbase), I'm glad we didn't get Celtic. Be arsed with all the chat about who sang YNWA first and who sings it better. Zzzzzzzzzz...

Fuck the Tories singalong would have been good though.

[KillieRed]

Exactly my opinion, which makes it all the more baffling when you see people defending them on the Scottish football thread, was hoping to get Celtic as I would have went to Parkhead with my mate, Celtic are a proper football club.

Actually, they’re exactly the same as each other, which makes even their supposed hatred of each other totally bizarre very very weird. Normal “working class” Scots indulging in sectarianism & bizarre conspiracy theories whilst their owners have formed a joint company with which to mutually exploit the situation. They can’t both be (relatively) mega-rich clubs with every advantage under the sun and still be the victims of establishment plots. Can they? The only actual difference I can see in them is their fans notional politics (right-wing unionism for Rangers, left-wing independence for Celtic), but even that’s just another way for minority groups in their broader numbers to differentiate from each other. The clubs have become the centres of division that their religions used to be. All very cultish.

[Flaccido Dongingo]

I wouldnt say it means someone is a knuckle dragger, exactly. Thats a bit sweeping. But generally those who need to secure a sense of identity by reference to symbols, historiography and the past deeds of others are insecure by nature and more prone to outbursts of emotional irrationality when they percieve some threat to these symbols, which they see as constituting a core part of themself. In extreme cases this can lead to violence. Nationalism is an ugly weapon used to control and manipulate people into serving the needs of a few at the expense of the servant. Generally, it is cultivated and defined through emotions such as fear or hate and concepts such as exclusion. Violence is its inevtiable outcome.

Was going to reply, but this is more or less representative of my opinion, but expands upon what my reply would have been.

[Flaccido Dongingo]

Actually, they’re exactly the same as each other, which makes even their supposed hatred of each other totally bizarre very very weird. Normal “working class” Scots indulging in sectarianism & bizarre conspiracy theories whilst their owners have formed a joint company with which to mutually exploit the situation. They can’t both be (relatively) mega-rich clubs with every advantage under the sun and still be the victims of establishment plots. Can they? The only actual difference I can see in them is their fans notional politics (right-wing unionism for Rangers, left-wing independence for Celtic), but even that’s just another way for minority groups in their broader numbers to differentiate from each other. The clubs have become the centres of division that their religions used to be. All very cultish.

While I have always detested the present and past versions of Rangers, I have never really had any affinity with Celtic other than knowing a few people who follow them, and they're floor to ceiling with biffs too, however in a political sense I find far more in common with them than Rangers, they're pro refugee, pro Palestine, left wing and (largely) Socialist, so if I had to pick one I prefer it would obviously be them.

[Big Dirk]

While I have always detested the present and past versions of Rangers, I have never really had any affinity with Celtic other than knowing a few people who follow them, and they're floor to ceiling with biffs too, however in a political sense I find far more in common with them than Rangers, they're pro refugee, pro Palestine, left wing and (largely) Socialist, so if I had to pick one I prefer it would obviously be them.

Its their pro IRA that puts me off

[kennedy81]

I like Glasgow, was there a couple of times and the people were very friendly. Not unlike Liverpool and Dublin to be honest.
I have no issue with regular Rangers fans, but let's not pretend there isn't a hard-right minority who give them a bad name. maybe that's exaggerated, I don't know. The situation in N.Ireland down the years hasn't helped as people from each side of the NI divide aligned themselves to each of the Glasgow clubs. It's hard for me, as an Irish person, to look past the fact that there are Rangers fans in NI who burn tricolours and sectarian banners on their bonfires every summer. I know it's a minority, but they're a pretty vocal one.
There are some in the NI Celtic support that aren't much better in my experience, who will look down their noses at Irish Liverpool fans for 'supporting the brits', which is what one group of them said to me after a Liverpool v Celtic friendly in Dublin a few years back. I've no time for any of them.

I hate sectarianism in football and the people of Liverpool should take pride in the fact that their clubs never went down that route. I've seen some talk of people bringing Irish flags to the game against Rangers and I hope they don't. I don't want my national flag being used as a sectarian wind-up prop. We are not Celtic. I don't get why anyone would bring a national flag to a match, unless it's an international.

As someone else pointed out earlier in the thread, I was hoping we would avoid both Scottish teams because of all the nonsense it would cause among our own support. The Liverpool fanbase is a diverse one and that's how I like it. So maybe we can all do our best to rise above all the nonsense for these games. I know in recent times we have felt some affinity with Celtic over political issues, but I've never felt the need to have a preference for one Glasgow club over another.