Topic: Welcome to LFC Ben Doak

[phoenician]

He has that 'I'm not fucked who you are I'm here to do my thing' and also that 'don't fuck with me glare' 😂

If the scouts are game for a night out in Glasgow, they'll find plenty more like him.

[Yorkykopite]

The poster who said that Doak is "completely one-footed" has just revealed himself to be completely one-eyed when it comes to watching football.

It beggars belief how some people watch the game.

[na fir dearg]

seems to have that strength and toughness that's required for this level, hope he gets some more minutes he's an exciting talent

[farawayred]

Not afraid to take on the big lads, try and boss them. I like his drive on the pitch. Tidy little gem!

[Robinred]

The poster who said that Doak is "completely one-footed" has just revealed himself to be completely one-eyed when it comes to watching football.

It beggars belief how some people watch the game.

Indeed. I’ll be honest, I think this kid is the most exciting youngster we’ve had since Owen - and that includes a lot of real talent like Bajcetic.

[TepidT2O]

Indeed. I’ll be honest, I think this kid is the most exciting youngster we’ve had since Owen - and that includes a lot of real talent like Bajcetic.

I’m not sure if he will make it here.  We’ve seen nowhere near enough ….yet…

But as for our best talent since Owen?

I think one Steven Gerrard would disagree….

As would one Raheem Sterling

Young players mostly don’t kick on.  It’s dangerous to have too high expectations from them.

[ThePoolMan]

Indeed. I’ll be honest, I think this kid is the most exciting youngster we’ve had since Owen - and that includes a lot of real talent like Bajcetic.

He is the most promising young winger we have had for a long time, that's for sure...

[Knight]

He is the most promising young winger we have had for a long time, that's for sure...

Sterling wasn't that long ago.

[ThePoolMan]

Sterling wasn't that long ago.

That was more than 7 years ago and we have not had any youth wingers remotely close to his level since till Doak.

[b_joseph]

That was more than 7 years ago and we have not had any youth wingers remotely close to his level since till Doak.

People held Gordon in high esteem just 12 months ago...He had quite the eventful january 2022 in the first team. Unfortunately, he has spent most of the last 12 months injured.

[plura]

People held Gordon in high esteem just 12 months ago...He had quite the eventful january 2022 in the first team. Unfortunately, he has spent most of the last 12 months injured.

He probably still has good potential, question is now if he can fullfil that being sidelined for so long. He looked interesting when coming on for the first team but didn't make the same impression Doak did, not close.

[Robinred]

I’m not sure if he will make it here.  We’ve seen nowhere near enough ….yet…

But as for our best talent since Owen?

I think one Steven Gerrard would disagree….

As would one Raheem Sterling

Young players mostly don’t kick on.  It’s dangerous to have too high expectations from them.

I realise you’re miserable having just got up to go to school whereas I’m on holiday in Tenerife.

I was at the game when SG made his debut, and well remember the buzz around him. But the buzz about Owen was greater.

My opinion - that he excites me the most since Owen - is what I posted; your opinion differs. I didn’t mention talent, and I’m fully aware of the numbers of exciting youngsters who fail to develop. Nonetheless I stand by my opinion.

[ThePoolMan]

People held Gordon in high esteem just 12 months ago...He had quite the eventful january 2022 in the first team. Unfortunately, he has spent most of the last 12 months injured.

Yes he was well thought of but his take off was stopped short by his injury. Hehas not yet shown what Doak has shown at the level that Doak has shown it at.

[tubby]

Yeah I agree on Gordon, and I'm really worried for him now, being out for so long.  Doak looks a more explosive player, more suitable to play in a Klopp attack.  Gordon is quick, but not as dynamic.

[ThePoolMan]

Yeah I agree on Gordon, and I'm really worried for him now, being out for so long.  Doak looks a more explosive player, more suitable to play in a Klopp attack.  Gordon is quick, but not as dynamic.

You put your finger on it - Doak is explosive in the way Owen was explosive. His pace is like a rocket and he makes decisions the same speed.  That kind ofquality is rare and we have too little of it, with only Nunez and Luiz having it in our team.

[smurfinaus]

Would Doak or Gordon suit our game style better?

[tubby]

Would Doak or Gordon suit our game style better?

Think Doak suits a Klopp team more in general, but he plays a lot like a traditional winger (driving to the byline before whipping the ball across the box), whereas Gordon is more similar to Salah (cuts in on his left foot more).

Either could work but Doak is more of a livewire and chaotic.

[TepidT2O]

I realise you’re miserable having just got up to go to school whereas I’m on holiday in Tenerife.

I was at the game when SG made his debut, and well remember the buzz around him. But the buzz about Owen was greater.

My opinion - that he excites me the most since Owen - is what I posted; your opinion differs. I didn’t mention talent, and I’m fully aware of the numbers of exciting youngsters who fail to develop. Nonetheless I stand by my opinion.

Ok, fair enough … fuck off with being on holiday though!

I just worry about expectations that are too high myself .. Players don’t always develop

[MBL?]

Ok, fair enough … fuck off with being on holiday though!

I just worry about expectations that are too high myself .. Players don’t always develop

You are right to be. I said it before that he looks great but to get a spot he needs to put up numbers or we will find someone who does. That may seem harsh since he’s so young but we can’t afford to not get goals and assist from his position. Sterling is the most similar for us but he was coming into a weaker attacking group at the time. Think he basically took all of Joe Cole’s minutes at the start who you will all remember was abysmal.

[monkeyharris]

Ben gave me and a Scottish work colleague a moment of clarity of fuck we’re old today
The Scottish lad is die hard Greenock Morton and he was excited about us having the son of a ‘Ton legend  Martin Doak play for us. Turned out for them 300+ times in the 80s and my mate remembers him well
Except..turns out Martin isn’t Ben’s dad..he’s his Grandad😬

[macmanamanaman]

Ben gave me and a Scottish work colleague a moment of clarity of fuck we’re old today
The Scottish lad is die hard Greenock Morton and he was excited about us having the son of a ‘Ton legend  Martin Doak play for us. Turned out for them 300+ times in the 80s and my mate remembers him well
Except..turns out Martin isn’t Ben’s dad..he’s his Grandad😬

hahaha, that is a classic!

[BCCC]

Shouldn't be anywhere near the first team at this point. I feel for the lad.

[UNO]

Don’t understand why put the youngster on the left instead of his favorite position on the right. Particularly when Salah has been so useless the whole match and loses the ball almost every time when in possession.

[StL-Dono]

Shouldn't be anywhere near the first team at this point. I feel for the lad.

Think you have to explain this in a little more detail for it to make any sense.

If you mean that in a normal year, with our full contingent of attacking players healthy, "he shouldn't be anywhere near the first team", then I'd agree. 

But.  Not a normal year.  And, he's not a normal player.  He's not out of his element and he's only going to improve going against the best.

[duvva 💅]

I think he probably means that it’s not the right time to be blooding a just 17 year old, with our current problems. At least that’s how I see it. It feels desperate and nobody should be pinning their hopes (not saying you are) on a 17 yr old having a big role in turning us around no matter how talented he appears.

Think there’s a much better chance of a young player coming in and having a positive impact on the team and them on his development when we’re playing better.

[newterp]

I think he probably means that it’s not the right time to be blooding a just 17 year old, with our current problems. At least that’s how I see it. It feels desperate and nobody should be pinning their hopes (not saying you are) on a 17 yr old having a big role in turning us around no matter how talented he appears.

Think there’s a much better chance of a young player coming in and having a positive impact on the team and them on his development when we’re playing better.

Sadly like the clown Manc are doing with Garnacho

[Lone Star Red]

Shouldn't be anywhere near the first team at this point. I feel for the lad.

Yep. He’s clearly not a PL player at this point and it’s unfortunate he’s having to be brought into the side.

[BCCC]

Yep. He’s clearly not a PL player at this point and it’s unfortunate he’s having to be brought into the side.

The timing is wrong, nothing to do with his ability or potential. It shows the current state of the squad

[JP!]

The bit he has that a lot of young players haven't is he looks like he knows he belongs there.

That gives me confidence in him going forward. Very early for him though.

[L.Suarez]

The strength he shows while dribbling is really impressive for his age, should be a star.

[Bergersrightwingviews]

Shame he didn’t get a little longer. Very early days but he definitely has something about him.

[TheShanklyGates]

Probably his most impressive cameo yet for me. I remember his debut where every time he got the ball it was head down and run at the defender but today he was making intelligent decisions and relieving a bit of pressure when we were struggling to keep possession late on. Looking forward to seeing much more from him.

[RyanBabel19]

He's gonna be a star, good reading of situations tonight and his running and fight suit our team

[farawayred]

Probably his most impressive cameo yet for me. I remember his debut where every time he got the ball it was head down and run at the defender but today he was making intelligent decisions and relieving a bit of pressure when we were struggling to keep possession late on. Looking forward to seeing much more from him.

That, the fact that he has no issues standing up to the physicality of senior players at this level, and the audacity to take anyone one-on-one is something special.

[The G in Gerrard]

Looks abit good. Hopefully starts a game soon.

[lgvkarlos]

He's gonna be a star, good reading of situations tonight and his running and fight suit our team

Yep, never looks like he's going to be dispossessed, very much like Salah when he's on it.

[AmanShah21]

We need to start using him as a regular sub. He'll be unplayable against tired legs with his pace and aggressiveness. One trick we have missed is how we use our subs. Other teams basically run some players into the ground in the first 60 because they can easily switch a whole midfield now with subs to spare. We need to start doing that. Plan for players to play their socks off in the first 60 and switch them out. There's no space to conserve energy like we used to in the past to save legs.

[ABZ Rover]

This Ned doesn’t give a fuck does he, lovely to see.

[RyanBabel19]

Yep, never looks like he's going to be dispossessed, very much like Salah when he's on it.

Yeah he's got that Salah/Suarez kind of knack of maintaining control at high speed while cruising through challenges. His low centre of gravity and quick feet make him very hard to dispossess

[Legs]

He's gonna be a star, good reading of situations tonight and his running and fight suit our team

He is strong and quick we all know that but I agree his fight is a huge asset.

That might sound daft but he reminds me in a way of Rooney at same age no fucks given and very very hard to knock off the ball