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Things in art and media that you just don't really get
« on: January 14, 2022, 05:41:02 pm »
Starter for five

1. The Scream films. Just doesn't compute. Not sure what they are. They aren't horror. They aren't entertaining. From what I can tell they are just a piss take (But not one done with a decent story like, for instance, cabin in the woods). If there was just 'Scream' then I wouldn't be that bothered. But there's loads of them and now they're doing a reboot. Don't get why people would watch it

2. Poetry. Just something that doesn't do anything for me. I remember when as a kid we were reading "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner" in school and I thought "Wow. This is amazing. I can't wait to see the world of poetry" - I bought a book on it and they were all shite. I'm sure that people must get a lot out of them, but I love reading and it seems that they usually are a convoluted attempt to jam a narrative into few words, whereas a perfectly decent book would do the job admirably and with far more depth

3. Anyway but Essex/Newcastle or whatever they are called. Don't get it. Just a bunch of knobhead kids acting like spoilt knobhead kids. Just don't get it

4. I'm a celebrity. Like 3 really - what is the point? Why do people watch it? What's it for. Doesn't compute.

5. Poems and songs in books. Fantasy books are particularly guilty of this. The action is proceeding nicely and things are afoot. Then some character dramatically sings a song or recites a poem that breaks the spell and makes you think "Oh. Fuck off"




Any other things out there where you think WTF?!
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Re: Things in art and media that you just don't really get
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2022, 05:48:52 pm »
Modern and postmodern art in general. Self-indulgent and transactional pap.
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Re: Things in art and media that you just don't really get
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Re: Things in art and media that you just don't really get
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2022, 05:59:28 pm »
Social Media;

This forum is the closest I get to it. Might be because I’m a miserable fucker but I really don’t give a shit what other people are doing on their days off or what they had for dinner and therefore I can safely assume they don’t care about what I’m up to either. If anyone is interested in what I’m up to they can message me or give me a ring (I’m 35 not 70 before anyone asks), otherwise I’ll assume you’re not and I can’t blame you.

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Re: Things in art and media that you just don't really get
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2022, 06:00:13 pm »
Hip Hop
reality TV, particularly Love Island
Coooking competitions
you can listen to a singer, watch a dancer, you cant taste the food, whats the point
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Re: Things in art and media that you just don't really get
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2022, 06:08:36 pm »
Love Island. Clearly made for horny teenagers and "influencers"

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Re: Things in art and media that you just don't really get
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2022, 06:29:08 pm »

Modern and postmodern art in general. Self-indulgent and transactional pap.


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Re: Things in art and media that you just don't really get
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2022, 08:24:18 pm »
Musicals like West Side Story or Grease. Tough guys breaking out into song wtf?

Real Housewives - who gives a shit?



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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2022, 08:32:10 pm »
Soap operas, people watch them knowing what is going to happen because the story lines are published beforehand.

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Re: Things in art and media that you just don't really get
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2022, 08:36:06 pm »
Soap operas, people watch them knowing what is going to happen because the story lines are published beforehand.

I don't think people watch soaps for their plots. It's more about the quality actors on show, the in depth characterisation, direction, set design etc.
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Re: Things in art and media that you just don't really get
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2022, 09:04:24 pm »
Musicals like West Side Story or Grease. Tough guys breaking out into song wtf?

Real Housewives - who gives a shit?





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Re: Things in art and media that you just don't really get
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2022, 09:22:46 pm »
Andy why don’t you post all the things you don’t get in the media?
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Re: Things in art and media that you just don't really get
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2022, 09:29:34 pm »
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« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2022, 09:38:26 pm »
Andy why don’t you post all the things you don’t get in the media?

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Re: Things in art and media that you just don't really get
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2022, 10:07:41 pm »
I don't think people watch soaps for their plots. It's more about the quality actors on show, the in depth characterisation, direction, set design etc.

And the occasional late night episode where everyone starts swearing for the first time ever.

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Re: Things in art and media that you just don't really get
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2022, 10:38:34 pm »
Starter for five

1. The Scream films. Just doesn't compute. Not sure what they are. They aren't horror. They aren't entertaining. From what I can tell they are just a piss take (But not one done with a decent story like, for instance, cabin in the woods). If there was just 'Scream' then I wouldn't be that bothered. But there's loads of them and now they're doing a reboot. Don't get why people would watch it

2. Poetry. Just something that doesn't do anything for me. I remember when as a kid we were reading "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner" in school and I thought "Wow. This is amazing. I can't wait to see the world of poetry" - I bought a book on it and they were all shite. I'm sure that people must get a lot out of them, but I love reading and it seems that they usually are a convoluted attempt to jam a narrative into few words, whereas a perfectly decent book would do the job admirably and with far more depth

3. Anyway but Essex/Newcastle or whatever they are called. Don't get it. Just a bunch of knobhead kids acting like spoilt knobhead kids. Just don't get it

4. I'm a celebrity. Like 3 really - what is the point? Why do people watch it? What's it for. Doesn't compute.

5. Poems and songs in books. Fantasy books are particularly guilty of this. The action is proceeding nicely and things are afoot. Then some character dramatically sings a song or recites a poem that breaks the spell and makes you think "Oh. Fuck off"




Any other things out there where you think WTF?!

I have read quite a few fantasy books and I can't remember any having characters that break into song or recites a poem. Which ones are you referring too?
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Re: Things in art and media that you just don't really get
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2022, 10:49:33 pm »
I have read quite a few fantasy books and I can't remember any having characters that break into song or recites a poem. Which ones are you referring too?

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Re: Things in art and media that you just don't really get
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2022, 10:52:24 pm »
I have read quite a few fantasy books and I can't remember any having characters that break into song or recites a poem. Which ones are you referring too?

I'd have to look it up for specific examples, but seem to remember seeing poems/songs in these;

Lord of the Rings (And associated books) ( http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Poems_in_The_Lord_of_the_Rings )
Chronicles of Thomas Covenant (Giants, Bloodguard, Lords and various others)
Robert Jordon (Been a while, but pretty sure there were a few poems in there about mythology)
Dragon Lance Books (Several prophecies)
Magician Series (Feist)
Spellsinger Series
Dragons of Pern series

Can't swear to it, but pretty sure there have been several poems in Michael Moorcock's Multiverse

I read quite a few 'out there' fantasy books from the 60s, 70s, 80s and quite of few of them aren't too timid to chuck the odd poem in (Usually when they are describing a culture or race or sometimes mythology)

Quite hard to search online for them as when you mention poems from fantasy books, there are thousands of pages of poems about fantasy books.
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Re: Things in art and media that you just don't really get
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2022, 11:18:43 pm »
It was pretty annoying when Mr Bumble broke into song in Oliver
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Re: Things in art and media that you just don't really get
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2022, 11:29:45 pm »
And the occasional late night episode where everyone starts swearing for the first time ever.

That too.
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Re: Things in art and media that you just don't really get
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2022, 11:41:06 pm »
Why stop at 5?

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« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2022, 11:42:47 pm »
Modern and postmodern art in general. Self-indulgent and transactional pap.

you talking 50, 100, or 150 years ago in this?

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Re: Things in art and media that you just don't really get
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2022, 12:17:02 am »
It was pretty annoying when Mr Bumble broke into song in Oliver

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« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2022, 12:23:21 am »
“Please Sir. Can I have some more?”

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Re: Things in art and media that you just don't really get
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2022, 12:28:05 am »
https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=347031.0


Have a look in there... pretty much covers everything by the end.

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« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2022, 12:48:44 am »
you talking 50, 100, or 150 years ago in this?

Post-WW2 I think. I can see modernism being a response to WW1 but judging on its outcomes I can only see post-WW2 modernism and certainly all of postmodernism as a cash grab.

To quote the philosopher Moammar Morris Szyslak: "It's Pomo!....Postmodern....Yeah alright, weird for the sake of weird."
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« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2022, 01:20:06 am »
Legend. So many debates with the kids about me wanting to push him off a cliff and hearing their arguments against. Pathetic.

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Re: Things in art and media that you just don't really get
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2022, 01:24:58 am »
I like modernist and postmodern art a lot. Realism essentially reached a creative dead end and the next logical step was to use abstract expressionism to communicate feelings and concepts that were subjective but weren't linear. That goes into places like fauvism or cubism, and then total abstraction feels kind of inevitable. I know this'll sound like pretentious bollocks but a basic grasp of art history really helps because you can see the progression step by step, and it all feels a lot more natural and meaningful. That and the fact it helps to see a lot of it in a gallery - one of my favourite artists is Lucio Fontana, whose work looks ridiculous if you see it online but is mesmerising in person because you can see the texture.

I actually think hip hop is quite similar. Once you really get into the mechanics of sampling and how it can be used creatively it really draws you into the structure of each track, and when you get a run down of a top lyricist's work and the different allusions they slip in there it gives you a real appreciation for high quality work.

As for me, there's plenty of stuff I don't like or even think is loathsome, but I can understand the appeal. I've never been able to understand why people like the Stereophonics. They don't rock, their lyrics are dull, the vocals are awful and their music is dirgelike. Why them and not, say, China Drum or Idlewild?

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« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2022, 04:23:08 pm »
I don't think people watch soaps for their plots. It's more about the quality actors on show, the in depth characterisation, direction, set design etc.

I reckon my wife still watches just out of habit these days, the shows are rubbish.
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« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2022, 09:44:07 pm »
Post-WW2 I think. I can see modernism being a response to WW1 but judging on its outcomes I can only see post-WW2 modernism and certainly all of postmodernism as a cash grab.

To quote the philosopher Moammar Morris Szyslak: "It's Pomo!....Postmodern....Yeah alright, weird for the sake of weird."

That's a hell of a large scythe you're taking to something that is just a reflection of the times we live in - or lived in at one point - which is all art is. It's true that we can all understand a nude 1700 AD painting a little easier than say, just a black square*, but not totally understanding things is one of the gates that might of been left open for us thru modernism more so than any other period - and personally, I take great delight in it.

I understand your point totally, as there's a hell of a lot of crud about, but there's also some fantastic work that goes on. There was a lot of crap painting pre 1900 too. Saying all art since 1970 (which is pretty much where the idea of postmodernism began) is crass in the extreme. You include music? Because they live side by side.


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Re: Things in art and media that you just don't really get
« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2022, 09:57:53 pm »
Vast majority of Reality TV, like 99.99% of it.
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Re: Things in art and media that you just don't really get
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2022, 10:00:12 pm »
I'd have to look it up for specific examples, but seem to remember seeing poems/songs in these;

Lord of the Rings (And associated books) ( http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Poems_in_The_Lord_of_the_Rings )
Chronicles of Thomas Covenant (Giants, Bloodguard, Lords and various others)
Robert Jordon (Been a while, but pretty sure there were a few poems in there about mythology)
Dragon Lance Books (Several prophecies)
Magician Series (Feist)
Spellsinger Series
Dragons of Pern series

Can't swear to it, but pretty sure there have been several poems in Michael Moorcock's Multiverse

I read quite a few 'out there' fantasy books from the 60s, 70s, 80s and quite of few of them aren't too timid to chuck the odd poem in (Usually when they are describing a culture or race or sometimes mythology)

Quite hard to search online for them as when you mention poems from fantasy books, there are thousands of pages of poems about fantasy books.

Lord of the Rings, that's tosh anyway it's just about a load of goblins isn't it?  ;)
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« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2022, 10:08:32 pm »
I don't think you should be allowed to vote in elections if you enjoy superhero films.

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« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2022, 10:13:40 pm »
I don't think you should be allowed to vote in elections if you enjoy superhero films.

Have you not liked any superhero film ever?

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« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2022, 10:28:10 pm »
I don't think you should be allowed to vote in elections if you enjoy superhero films.

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Re: Things in art and media that you just don't really get
« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2022, 10:48:36 pm »
Lord of the Rings, that's tosh anyway it's just about a load of goblins isn't it?  ;)

So.

Just to be clear. you are saying that Lord of the Rings isn't a book in the Fantasy genre?
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Re: Things in art and media that you just don't really get
« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2022, 11:01:01 pm »
So.

Just to be clear. you are saying that Lord of the Rings isn't a book in the Fantasy genre?

I'm not disputing that, but I never got past the endless front notes to read any of the poetry you are complaining about.
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Re: Things in art and media that you just don't really get
« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2022, 08:57:51 am »
Have you not liked any superhero film ever?
Hes got Supermans badge as his username