Author Topic: Nat Phillips (Read 239361 times)

BeingJohnMarkovic · « **Reply #1240 on:** March 16, 2021, 09:45:25 pm »

Quote from: BobPaisley3 on March 16, 2021, 01:20:14 pm

His skill sets are ideal for when we come against the real dogs of the league; Palace, Sheff Utd, West Brom, Newcastle, Burnley etc. In fact he’s probably more well suited to playing those sides than Gomez. Question is, as others have alluded to, is he happy to stick around and play when called upon when he could start regularly further down the table?

Yeah, that remains to be seen. He is so good in the air that he's actually worth having around just to play against the West Broms and West Hams of this world. Saying that, he'd be absolutely ideal for a lower table side that plays a lower defensive block. His main weakness is when he has to turn and chase, and in a lower lying team, he'd rarely have to do that.

Eeyore · « **Reply #1241 on:** March 16, 2021, 09:52:45 pm »

Quote from: BeingJohnMarkovic on March 16, 2021, 09:45:25 pm

Yeah, that remains to be seen. He is so good in the air that he's actually worth having around just to play against the West Broms and West Hams of this world. Saying that, he'd be absolutely ideal for a lower table side that plays a lower defensive block. His main weakness is when he has to turn and chase, and in a lower lying team, he'd rarely have to do that.

I have never really understood that logic though.

The teams at the bottom need to beat the teams around them. Whilst they may play a low block against the better sides. In the 6 pointers they actually have to come out and play. If they didn't neither team would leave their half.

John C · « **Reply #1242 on:** March 16, 2021, 11:13:05 pm »

Quote from: Al 666 on March 16, 2021, 09:39:59 pm

Nat has performed brilliantly for us. The issue is whether ~~his ceiling is high enough for a club like us~~.

Nat has performed brilliantly for us. The issue is whether our first choice centre backs will be back for the new season.

Ratboy3G · « **Reply #1243 on:** March 16, 2021, 11:14:30 pm »

Quote from: Al 666 on March 16, 2021, 09:39:59 pm

Nat has performed brilliantly for us.

Couldn't have put it better myself, Al 😉👍

Gaz123456 · « **Reply #1244 on:** March 17, 2021, 07:55:23 am »

I think we have a new cult hero.

JackWard33 · « **Reply #1245 on:** March 17, 2021, 11:59:31 am »

Quote from: BeingJohnMarkovic on March 16, 2021, 09:45:25 pm

Yeah, that remains to be seen. He is so good in the air that he's actually worth having around just to play against the West Broms and West Hams of this world. Saying that, he'd be absolutely ideal for a lower table side that plays a lower defensive block. His main weakness is when he has to turn and chase, and in a lower lying team, he'd rarely have to do that.

His weakness is he gets turned not just ‘when he has to turn’ - think Wolves was the first game he’s played for us when he didn’t get turned... you can’t ever have him isolated or with a lot of space in behind. We’re dropping off a lot more which helps him but blunts our attack... it is what it is for now

Peoples reactions seems very black and white on him (and Kabak) not sure why maybe it’s just the way of things these days.

Jookie · « **Reply #1246 on:** March 17, 2021, 02:34:45 pm »

Quote from: JackWard33 on March 17, 2021, 11:59:31 am

His weakness is he gets turned not just ‘when he has to turn’ - think Wolves was the first game he’s played for us when he didn’t get turned... you can’t ever have him isolated or with a lot of space in behind. We’re dropping off a lot more which helps him but blunts our attack... it is what it is for now

Peoples reactions seems very black and white on him (and Kabak) not sure why maybe it’s just the way of things these days.

When evaluating Kabak and Phillips it needs to be done in the context of the system and situation they are playing now and the system and expectations of them in what would be our normal or ideal system.

Kabak and Phillips are doing very well given the current circumstances. I can't see how anyone could be displeased with their recent performances. However, that doesn't mean they are right for us long term in our 'ideal' system, where centre backs need to be good in 1-on-1 situations and be comfortable being dragged wide.I think there's genuine Q marks about Kabak and Phillips in the long term, based primarily on our system and what attributes you need as a centre back to succeed and allow the rest of the team not to be compromised. The 1 unknown I have is what either would be like next to 1 of the 3 established centre backs. Would that allow them to excel in the system?

I think some people are conflating the 2 situations - doing well now versus long term suitability. I'm quite comfortable saying they are doing well and should be 1st choice currently, whilst at the same time holding the belief that in the summer there may be other players available who might be better suited our system. That's not a criticism of Kabak or Phillips either.

Fordy · « **Reply #1247 on:** March 24, 2021, 12:43:27 pm »

Quote from: Gaz123456 on March 17, 2021, 07:55:23 am

I think we have a new cult hero.

Hope so.

Gets my vote for player of the month.

Vote for Nat!

https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/429197-vote-now-liverpool-s-men-s-player-of-the-month-for-march

Dim Glas · « **Reply #1248 on:** March 31, 2021, 12:36:24 pm »

Stuttgart’s sporting director Sven Mislintat on how Nat Phillips ended up there:

“When Marcin Kaminski got injured with us, Jürgen Klopp approached me and said I should take a look at Nathaniel Phillips because he was looking for a loan deal for him. Even though I trust Klopp blindly with such an offer, I bear the responsibility of course.
"That's why I first had to take a look at him myself and give him a credible assurance that he has a real chance to play with us.
“In the end, it turned out that he was exactly the kind of player we were looking for.”

It’s amazing/amusing/mad (delete as appopriate) that as of now, our first choice central defensive pairing are both former Stuttgart players

rob1966 · « **Reply #1249 on:** March 31, 2021, 04:09:11 pm »

Still better than Maguire

afc tukrish · « **Reply #1250 on:** March 31, 2021, 04:12:23 pm »

Quote from: rob1966 on March 31, 2021, 04:09:11 pm

Still better than Maguire

Maguire turned out for Kopfgart...

Nobby Reserve · « **Reply #1251 on:** April 1, 2021, 06:44:10 pm »

I think it would be one of the ultimate footballing fairytales if he won No7 with us.

Ratboy3G · « **Reply #1252 on:** April 1, 2021, 06:58:12 pm »

Quote from: Fordy on March 24, 2021, 12:43:27 pm

Hope so.

Gets my vote for player of the month.

Vote for Nat!

https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/429197-vote-now-liverpool-s-men-s-player-of-the-month-for-march

Won player of the month for March, fully deserved in my opinion

vivabobbygraham · « **Reply #1253 on:** April 1, 2021, 11:26:37 pm »

Well in, Nate. Richly deserved. Keep it going

Djozer · « **Reply #1254 on:** April 2, 2021, 12:27:13 am »

Well done lad.

Black Bull Nova · « **Reply #1255 on:** April 2, 2021, 12:34:43 am »

Even if he gets no further, winning player of the month for a club like Liverpool, with the players we have, should be treasured by Nat the rest of his life.

But, you never know, he may find he wins something that means more in the future. For now, that one is in the bag of future treasures and deservedly so.

BeingJohnMarkovic · « **Reply #1256 on:** April 3, 2021, 06:42:46 pm »

His story is a rare good one in a fairly miserable season for us. I can't see him having a long-term future here but I've no doubt that there's plenty of other PL managers looking at him and thinking that he could do a fine job for them. He's shown great intelligence, determination and application. He's the sort of lad that will make the most of his talent. I've no doubt he has a good career in front of him!

Fordy · « **Reply #1257 on:** April 3, 2021, 09:35:15 pm »

Phillips on the press...Love it!!

Knight · « **Reply #1258 on:** April 3, 2021, 09:45:19 pm »

His passing is SO much better than it was when he first came into the team in terms of pace he’s putting on it. So encouraging to see that sort of improvement.

Fordy · « **Reply #1259 on:** April 3, 2021, 09:47:52 pm »

Let me say that Phillips has been bloody outstanding tonight.

Studgotelli · « **Reply #1260 on:** April 3, 2021, 09:55:08 pm »

Great again really happy with how well he’s doing atm Benzema will be a different test though

Max_powers · « **Reply #1261 on:** April 3, 2021, 09:55:43 pm »

He is fantastic.

missis sumner · « **Reply #1262 on:** April 3, 2021, 10:03:49 pm »

Great game.

Angelius · « **Reply #1263 on:** April 3, 2021, 10:07:04 pm »

To be fair, Arsenal didn't offer much but that shouldn't take away from his performance. Looked assured and his passing was definitely more confident, crisp and ambitious. You can see the improvement and the confidence is rising!

Fordy · « **Reply #1264 on:** April 3, 2021, 10:08:26 pm »

Al 666 Got anything to say?

Liverpool's player of last month.

Outstanding against Arsenal tonight.

You going to give credit where its due yet?

Agent99 · « **Reply #1265 on:** April 3, 2021, 10:08:32 pm »

That header at the end when he challenged Martinelli. Was about 6 feet away and just launched at it

Ratboy3G · « **Reply #1266 on:** April 3, 2021, 10:11:44 pm »

Not that Kabak hasn't been doing well, but I wonder if we're getting close to the point where we just send him back to Schalke at the end of the season and keep Phillips around for next season.

gerrardisgod · « **Reply #1267 on:** April 3, 2021, 10:13:14 pm »

Can fill in at right wing too.

Fordy · « **Reply #1268 on:** April 3, 2021, 10:17:29 pm »

Quote from: Ratboy3G on April 3, 2021, 10:11:44 pm

Not that Kabak hasn't been doing well, but I wonder if we're getting close to the point where we just send him back to Schalke at the end of the season and keep Phillips around for next season.

Well considering Phillips is English and classed as an homegrown. It could be a possible if we finish in a CL or EL spot.

Ratboy3G · « **Reply #1269 on:** April 3, 2021, 10:18:40 pm »

Quote from: Fordy on April 3, 2021, 10:17:29 pm

Well considering Phillips is English and classed as an homegrown. It could be a possible if we finish in a CL or EL spot.

Especially if the Konate rumours are true

cdav · « **Reply #1270 on:** April 3, 2021, 10:20:09 pm »

Quote from: Ratboy3G on April 3, 2021, 10:11:44 pm

Not that Kabak hasn't been doing well, but I wonder if we're getting close to the point where we just send him back to Schalke at the end of the season and keep Phillips around for next season.

Think Kabak has been the most impressive of the two. Phillips has done really well but there has been a few times were he has lost possession in dangerous areas and been bailed out

Ratboy3G · « **Reply #1271 on:** April 3, 2021, 10:23:01 pm »

Quote from: cdav on April 3, 2021, 10:20:09 pm

Think Kabak has been the most impressive of the two. Phillips has done really well but there has been a few times were he has lost possession in dangerous areas and been bailed out

I think Kabak has the higher ceiling, but Phillips just seems to get better every game and as Fordy pointed out has homegrown status.

johnj147 · « **Reply #1272 on:** April 3, 2021, 10:23:33 pm »

Brilliant again him and kabak 3 clean sheets

Ratboy3G · « **Reply #1273 on:** April 3, 2021, 10:24:51 pm »

Quote from: johnj147 on April 3, 2021, 10:23:33 pm

Brilliant again him and kabak 3 clean sheets

They've both been great, really hope they are both here next season

Slippers · « **Reply #1274 on:** April 3, 2021, 10:32:37 pm »

What a week he's had.

Hazell · « **Reply #1275 on:** April 3, 2021, 10:33:38 pm »

Quote from: Slippers on April 3, 2021, 10:32:37 pm

What a week he's had.

What a season he's had*

*I'll be saying when he's lifting the European Cup in June.

missis sumner · « **Reply #1276 on:** April 3, 2021, 10:41:09 pm »

Quote from: Hazell on April 3, 2021, 10:33:38 pm

What a season he's had*

*I'll be saying when he's lifting the European Cup in June.

I so, so hope so!

SinceSixtyFive · « **Reply #1277 on:** April 3, 2021, 10:44:29 pm »

A great story is unfolding.

About an even better player.

Well in lad

Ratboy3G · « **Reply #1278 on:** April 3, 2021, 10:50:06 pm »

Quote from: Hazell on April 3, 2021, 10:33:38 pm

What a season he's had*

*I'll be saying when he's lifting the European Cup in June.

He won't lift it, he'll head it away

Medellin · « **Reply #1279 on:** April 3, 2021, 10:51:11 pm »

Kabak is a cert to be here on a long term contract next year.
Nat Phillips..if we'd have brought him in as player for £10-15m there would be praise for it.
Nat Phillips has acquitted himself excellently, very few mistakes & has become a solid, dependable member of the squad.
Even with the noises about bringing in another CB like Konate etc..Nat Phillips has certainly done enough for us to question whether we do need to shell out £35m for another CB.
The probability is Nat will move on..for a 5th choice CB I'm not sure the CB needs a £35m+ strengthening outlay.
Bravo Nat Phillips, keep up the good work lad.