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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6960 on: May 2, 2024, 12:11:55 pm »
I think we can at least take some satisfaction in knowing Trump is s,, scared right now, nobody able to keep him awake in court.! he can't sleep at night.
It's not a compliment as I put it down to him being a narcissistic psycho but ive always wondered how he copes with all the criminal cases piling up. it's getting to him now though. maybe he believed the authorities would be too scared to prosecute him fearing civil chaos. well that theory went out the window and realty is here.
Ive heard he deleted a lot of his social media posts a few days ago after the judge mentioned Jail.
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6961 on: May 2, 2024, 01:32:41 pm »
The gag order stuff isn't a side show. Trump has actively engaged in witness intimidation and tried to influence the jury pool. He's also gone after the families of those running the case against him. It's mob boss behaviour. Stupid mob boss behaviour, perhaps, but that's what it is.

Glenn Kirschner pointed out that any criminal case Trump is currently indicted under (four) could now theoretically jail him.

Frankly, I think it's high time Biden started calling Trump, "Sleepy Don". Watch him lose his shit.

If it had any consequences it wouldn't be a side show, but so far it hasn't. None of the other judges have shown any willingness to take this up and he's been found to be in criminal contempt for months now under Engoron.

Even Merchan took weeks to issue his warning.

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6962 on: May 2, 2024, 02:33:29 pm »
If it had any consequences it wouldn't be a side show, but so far it hasn't. None of the other judges have shown any willingness to take this up and he's been found to be in criminal contempt for months now under Engoron.

Even Merchan took weeks to issue his warning.

Side show.

It's more complicated than that though. Yes, a regular guy would already be in jail, but it's not the judge's fault he can only fine Trump $1000 maximum per offence.

We can't really judge the effects until after the trial. However, it's clear the trial is taking  a toll on Trump in other ways. He's never had to sit still and shut up for hours on end in his entire life before. It's hitting him so bad that he can't be arsed strategizing with his campaign team when he's done. He just goes on Truth Social and rants.

It's a fine line everyone is walking. Should it be that way? Absolutely not. But is it valueless? No, not in my opinion.
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6963 on: May 2, 2024, 03:21:43 pm »
I didn't say it was valueless, I said it was a side show, which it is. The most that will happen is he'll be gaoled over a lunch time or something. When the trial is concluded no one will be commenting much on the gag order violations, they'll be talking about the verdict and sentence, if there is one.

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6964 on: May 2, 2024, 03:22:57 pm »
Judge Merchan just read out a Michael Cohen tweet that referred to Trump as Von Shitzinpants, I would pay good money to be there.

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6965 on: May 2, 2024, 03:25:37 pm »
Judge Merchan just read out a Michael Cohen tweet that referred to Trump as Von Shitzinpants, I would pay good money to be there.
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6966 on: May 2, 2024, 03:58:32 pm »
I didn't say it was valueless, I said it was a side show, which it is. The most that will happen is he'll be gaoled over a lunch time or something. When the trial is concluded no one will be commenting much on the gag order violations, they'll be talking about the verdict and sentence, if there is one.

I disagree. Trump could be thrown in jail for the remainder of the trial if the Judge wishes. It's the political fallout he is wary of, and not without good reason. I'm sure the prosecution will be pushing for Trump to be jailed if he violates the gag order again at any point over the next three weeks, and even a weekend in a minimal security installation might be a cold bucket of reality for Trump.
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6967 on: May 2, 2024, 04:03:01 pm »
Got to say, I agree with Joyce on this one. If Cohen wants revenge he should concentrate on improving his credibility as a witness.

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6968 on: May 2, 2024, 04:03:50 pm »
Trump is begging to get sent to jail so he can whine even more about being unjustly politically persecuted.
You can guarantee it will boost his support as well.

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6969 on: May 2, 2024, 04:08:40 pm »
I disagree. Trump could be thrown in jail for the remainder of the trial if the Judge wishes. It's the political fallout he is wary of, and not without good reason. I'm sure the prosecution will be pushing for Trump to be jailed if he violates the gag order again at any point over the next three weeks, and even a weekend in a minimal security installation might be a cold bucket of reality for Trump.

Think you've been watching too much MSNBC.

And by the way, they only wheel Kirschner out when they can't find anyone else.

Anyway, I normally don't engage with you, but in this instance you directly contradicted me. At the end of the trial, if gag orders are not a side show I will own up and be happy to be proved wrong. But I don't think I will be. I can't imagine you doing the same thing, but again, happy to be proved wrong.
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6970 on: May 2, 2024, 04:13:37 pm »
Think you've been watching too much MSNBC.

And by the way, they only wheel Kirschner out when they can't find anyone else.

Anyway, I normally don't engage with you, but in this instance you directly contradicted me. At the end of the trial, if gag orders are not a side show I will own up and be happy to be proved wrong. But I don't think I will be. I can't imagine you doing the same thing, but again, happy to be proved wrong.

Strangely antagonistic tone there  :o

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6971 on: May 2, 2024, 04:34:03 pm »
Think you've been watching too much MSNBC.

And by the way, they only wheel Kirschner out when they can't find anyone else.

Anyway, I normally don't engage with you, but in this instance you directly contradicted me. At the end of the trial, if gag orders are not a side show I will own up and be happy to be proved wrong. But I don't think I will be. I can't imagine you doing the same thing, but again, happy to be proved wrong.

I don't watch MSNBC.
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6972 on: May 2, 2024, 04:37:21 pm »
Trump is begging to get sent to jail so he can whine even more about being unjustly politically persecuted.
You can guarantee it will boost his support as well.

Trump might indeed be hoping to get sent to jail, but only because he has no real clue what that's going to entail for him. He has a delusion that it will set him up as a martyr - and amongst his base it will. But he's not growing his support. Every poll conducted has said that a huge number of people on the right will not vote for Trump if he gets as much as a single criminal conviction; this is the first of four criminal trials.

He's been begging his supporters to come out and protest, but the most he has had so far is 50. I don't think going to jail is going to improve Trump's standing at all.
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6973 on: May 2, 2024, 06:00:29 pm »
Think you've been watching too much MSNBC.

And by the way, they only wheel Kirschner out when they can't find anyone else.

Anyway, I normally don't engage with you, but in this instance you directly contradicted me. At the end of the trial, if gag orders are not a side show I will own up and be happy to be proved wrong. But I don't think I will be. I can't imagine you doing the same thing, but again, happy to be proved wrong.

Side show or not, a gag order in this case is aimed at safeguarding members of the jury.  Trump’s base includes a bunch of loons let’s not forget.

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6974 on: May 2, 2024, 09:44:27 pm »
Could he claim stuff posted on his platform was from a hacked account?
By the dems obviously. Not the Russians nor the Chinese as he does great business by them. No by sleepy Joe himself.
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6975 on: May 3, 2024, 11:04:31 am »
Think you've been watching too much MSNBC.

And by the way, they only wheel Kirschner out when they can't find anyone else.

Anyway, I normally don't engage with you, but in this instance you directly contradicted me. At the end of the trial, if gag orders are not a side show I will own up and be happy to be proved wrong. But I don't think I will be. I can't imagine you doing the same thing, but again, happy to be proved wrong.
Why are you being a bad knobhead?
And fyi MSNBC is brilliant. They have some of the best presenters - Melber; O'Donnell; Hayes; Maddow; plus morning Joe.
Glen Kirschner is an extremely experienced prosecutor. I understand he can be over exuberant on his desires to indite Trump but he is very interesting.

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6976 on: May 3, 2024, 11:51:13 am »
Why are you being a bad knobhead?
And fyi MSNBC is brilliant. They have some of the best presenters - Melber; O'Donnell; Hayes; Maddow; plus morning Joe.
Glen Kirschner is an extremely experienced prosecutor. I understand he can be over exuberant on his desires to indite Trump but he is very interesting.
O'Donnell can be insufferable.* Maddow has returned to her say everything three times in a different way for effect shtick.** Morning Joe is generally very good, with many good guests. And Chris Hayes is quite brilliant - an all-round excellent presenter.

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** Maddow switched way from this shtick during the Trump presidency (maybe because there was too much to get through). But she returned to it since then. I end up just shouting at the screen for her to 'get on with it!' :) Away from The Rachel Maddow Show, she's excellent too.
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6977 on: May 3, 2024, 11:56:13 am »
Judge Merchan just read out a Michael Cohen tweet that referred to Trump as Von Shitzinpants, I would pay good money to be there.

The whole episode was a massive self-own, prompted (of course) by the disgraced former president. His lawyer showed slides of tweets and memes that were mean about the orange crook and snapped at his assistant to slide past the image of Trump as an obese super-hero, “quickly, please”.

With regards to locking the creepy lumbering oaf up: why not sentence him to house arrest, without access to the internet if necessary, for the duration of the trial? I’m sure his secret service detachment could protect him in one of his tacky homes. Perhaps not from the missus though…
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6978 on: May 3, 2024, 05:59:15 pm »
Didn't know where to post this, so I’ve put it here. “Why do so many Americans support a neofascist?” So many lightbulb moments from Reich, well worth a watch:

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6979 on: May 3, 2024, 06:22:34 pm »
O'Donnell can be insufferable.* Maddow has returned to her say everything three times in a different way for effect shtick.** Morning Joe is generally very good, with many good guests. And Chris Hayes is quite brilliant - an all-round excellent presenter.

* O'Donnell is still miles ahead of most presenters at CNN, for example.
** Maddow switched way from this shtick during the Trump presidency (maybe because there was too much to get through). But she returned to it since then. I end up just shouting at the screen for her to 'get on with it!' :) Away from The Rachel Maddow Show, she's excellent too.
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6980 on: May 3, 2024, 06:26:55 pm »
I generally like MSNBC but Joe Scarborough drives me up the effing wall, as does Rachel Maddow.  both of them are totally in love with the sound of their own voice.

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6981 on: May 3, 2024, 06:27:12 pm »
What about Ari Mellber mate - he's superb.
he is good, for sure.

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6982 on: May 3, 2024, 06:43:34 pm »
Hope Hicks is burying the orange turd.
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6983 on: May 3, 2024, 06:50:37 pm »
Hope Hicks is burying the orange turd.
Link to anything Salacious?
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6984 on: May 3, 2024, 06:56:36 pm »
What about Ari Mellber mate - he's superb.
Sorry. Yeah, I like him. (My wife actively dislikes him.) Sometimes I just laugh at the way he crowbars-in a quote from a rapper. (And probably why my wife dislikes him.) It is kinda stupid, but I cannot but help laugh. He also seems to know his legal onions. I also like most (if not all) of their legal experts.
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6985 on: May 3, 2024, 06:59:15 pm »
I generally like MSNBC but Joe Scarborough drives me up the effing wall, as does Rachel Maddow.  both of them are totally in love with the sound of their own voice.
I can understand that. But I think he is a very good fit for the show. And I do like some of his off-the-wall rants.
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6986 on: May 3, 2024, 07:00:29 pm »
Link to anything Salacious?
I'm just going to watch now. This stream is pretty reliable.

https://livenewschat.eu/politics/

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6987 on: May 3, 2024, 07:14:18 pm »
Link to anything Salacious?

Told how her and Trump personally called Pecker on the stories getting out and how to suppress them.   
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6988 on: May 3, 2024, 10:28:42 pm »
I can understand that. But I think he is a very good fit for the show. And I do like some of his off-the-wall rants.
I find him performative and endlessly repetitious - and worst of all he is incredibly rude to his guests.  not in what he says to them or how he talks to them - but in the way he monopolizes the show while they sit for minutes on end like bookends staring into the camera, waiting for him to STFU.

plus he constantly interrupts a serious / interesting discussion by chiming in about baseball or basketball with no warning at all.

that all said, he is a great LFC fan so he's not a totally lost cause. :)
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6989 on: May 3, 2024, 10:30:09 pm »
Link to anything Salacious?
nope. but what she said does support the prosecution's case that Trump paid Stormy to help his campaign.  commentators saying she was very credible.

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6990 on: May 4, 2024, 12:34:02 am »
The horror of AI. Trump in a church. Six fingers and all.

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6991 on: May 4, 2024, 08:25:52 am »
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« Reply #6992 on: May 4, 2024, 08:34:31 am »
I’m sure his secret service detachment could protect him in one of his tacky homes. Perhaps not from the missus though…

How hard can it be to protect a man from someone who can't stand to be in the same postcode as him?

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6993 on: May 4, 2024, 08:48:46 am »
How hard can it be to protect a man from someone who can't stand to be in the same postcode as him?

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6994 on: May 4, 2024, 11:59:51 am »
Playing the race card.

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"I think there is a definite anti-white feeling in this country," Trump told Time in an interview published on Tuesday. "I don't think it would be a very tough thing to address, frankly. But I think the laws are very unfair right now."

Trump did not specify examples of anti-white bias nor policy prescriptions in the interview.

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6996 on: May 7, 2024, 06:38:12 pm »
Can’t believe none of the jurors threw up today. Some revolting details
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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6997 on: May 7, 2024, 08:39:28 pm »
Why are you being a bad knobhead?
And fyi MSNBC is brilliant. They have some of the best presenters - Melber; O'Donnell; Hayes; Maddow; plus morning Joe.
Glen Kirschner is an extremely experienced prosecutor. I understand he can be over exuberant on his desires to indite Trump but he is very interesting.

Hayes and Melber are decent, I'll give you that. Scarborough (when he curbs the condescension) is somewhat palatable. But O'Donnell and Maddow are absolutely horrendous mate. Their desperation for a Trump conviction radiates off them so profusely that I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see them break down in tears of joy if he was sent down. Embarrassing pair of plebs 

As for Kirschner, he may have some prosecutorial stripes, but you can't tell me he hasn't crossed over into the "info-tainment" world. I've lost count the number of times I've seen him predict all kinds of legal "home runs" against Trump only for most of them to turn out to be complete and utter bollox. Don't forget to like and subscribe though, because "Justice Matters". Yeah, righty-o Glenn

I might get pounced on for saying this, but it's my belief that while Trump is undoubtedly an unscrupulous individual, who has repeatedly transgressed the law, I do not believe the degree of his guilt (or the seriousness of his crimes) are anywhere near as consequential as Maddow, O'Donnell, Kirschner et al would have you believe. Dare I say it, they're just as responsible for eroding the middle-ground and whipping people into frenzies as anyone on the opposite side

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6998 on: May 7, 2024, 08:55:35 pm »
Scarborough & his Mrs are a good part of the reason why the c*nt beat Clinton.

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Re: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted
« Reply #6999 on: May 7, 2024, 09:44:26 pm »
Hayes and Melber are decent, I'll give you that. Scarborough (when he curbs the condescension) is somewhat palatable. But O'Donnell and Maddow are absolutely horrendous mate. Their desperation for a Trump conviction radiates off them so profusely that I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see them break down in tears of joy if he was sent down. Embarrassing pair of plebs 

As for Kirschner, he may have some prosecutorial stripes, but you can't tell me he hasn't crossed over into the "info-tainment" world. I've lost count the number of times I've seen him predict all kinds of legal "home runs" against Trump only for most of them to turn out to be complete and utter bollox. Don't forget to like and subscribe though, because "Justice Matters". Yeah, righty-o Glenn

I might get pounced on for saying this, but it's my belief that while Trump is undoubtedly an unscrupulous individual, who has repeatedly transgressed the law, I do not believe the degree of his guilt (or the seriousness of his crimes) are anywhere near as consequential as Maddow, O'Donnell, Kirschner et al would have you believe. Dare I say it, they're just as responsible for eroding the middle-ground and whipping people into frenzies as anyone on the opposite side

DISCLAIMER: I massively dislike Trump. Always have and still do.
Only point I can agree with is Kirschner. Maddows is superb, articulate bringing together old evidence and new evidence to give the full picture to prove why Trump is corrupt as well as a dangerous traitor. she has a superb memory, imo one of the best around, it's easy to comment on new evidence, remembering old evidence that's also relevant to the point she is making puts her in a different class to most political commentators.
Am not shocked at your opinions as there are many people around the world who can't see very dangerous psychopathic narcissistic fascists for what they are, sad would be a better word, you think Trumps offences aren't that serious.?
 He had his contingency plan ready to over turn any election loss before any votes were cast. he put it into action as the election results came in during election night. his plan was to set up the election was stolen attacks to seize control of the country, he then placed the lives of many senior government politicians lives in danger to silence any opposition to him seizing control. he conspired with many to try and seize control of the country. all failed so he incited rioters to violently attack the heart of the Government, the Capital building. he then threatened more senior politicians who refused to go along with the next part of his plan to over turn the government.
I can't think of any other crime so serious, the implications of what he was doing don't bear thinking about.
Maybe that's the problem. it's something many of us can't comprehend, how can people still not see just how his serious his crimes are. to sum him up as unscrupulous sounds more like a defence rather than a opinion on the severity of his crimes, what next, yeah he was unscrupulous, yeah he was bad but many people are bad, that doesn't mean they did anything wrong in the eyes of the law.
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