Topic: RAWK Fallout Shelter 3.0: CLOSE THE DAMN DOOR BEHIND YOU! Edition

[Terry de Niro]

Not sure about the badge in the chat but them 3 look excellent.

Home one looks shite.

[The G in Gerrard]

Home one looks shite.

I like it. Long as the collar / neck area looks better in real life than the pic. Black & grey kits are outstanding.

[Kenny's Jacket]

What happened to Trents Nike badge?

All 3 look good

Not sure about the turquoise on the black kit though

[jillcwhomever]

I hate the grey kits, I always prefer the black and white ones to those.

[Red Beret]

If I have to see another post of Darwin stats I'll stick me head in the oven.

[reddebs]

If I have to see another post of Darwin stats I'll stick me head in the oven.

I've been in there today and put a few posts up but I've withdrawn now as it's gone so far down a rabbit hole I've no idea who's saying what or what they're even discussing 🤷

I can't even decide if it's negative or positive.  Weirdest fucking shite I've read on rawk I reckon!!

[Red Beret]

I've been in there today and put a few posts up but I've withdrawn now as it's gone so far down a rabbit hole I've no idea who's saying what or what they're even discussing 🤷

I can't even decide if it's negative or positive.  Weirdest fucking shite I've read on rawk I reckon!!

It's the usual mouse wheel - endlessly discussing the same things over and over. I guess the gist is on one hand you have the people who say yeah, his scoring isn't great but he's making a great team contribution, versus those saying we didn't pay £100m (hah!) for a supersub, and that he's a luxury player we need rid of.

I'm only guessing though. Like you, I only understand one paragraph in 10 in that discussion!

[JP!]

People don't seem to understand the difference between questioning someone and being overtly critical and miserable illogically.  So it's now become 'He doesn't score enough in tight games' 'Well, actually, he did score the opener last week' 'OH SO WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO QUESTION HIM?!'

You can say 'will he ever score 20 a season?' and that be a fair enough questionable discussion point.

'He doesn't impact tight games enough'/'He isn't good enough'/'We can't have players like him in our position'(? Would we be there without him?) are not questions, but statements, and just demonstrably logically false.

[So… Howard Philips]

For normal people yes

And Bob Paisley.

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

Football is pretty basic though Rob, stick the round thing in the net and your troubles go away, don't do that and well twitchy bum time

This

I can't be bothered with inverted this, false that, XG etc...

[reddebs]

It's the usual mouse wheel - endlessly discussing the same things over and over. I guess the gist is on one hand you have the people who say yeah, his scoring isn't great but he's making a great team contribution, versus those saying we didn't pay £100m (hah!) for a supersub, and that he's a luxury player we need rid of.

I'm only guessing though. Like you, I only understand one paragraph in 10 in that discussion!

People don't seem to understand the difference between questioning someone and being overtly critical and miserable illogically.  So it's now become 'He doesn't score enough in tight games' 'Well, actually, he did score the opener last week' 'OH SO WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO QUESTION HIM?!'

You can say 'will he ever score 20 a season?' and that be a fair enough questionable discussion point.

'He doesn't impact tight games enough'/'He isn't good enough'/'We can't have players like him in our position'(? Would we be there without him?) are not questions, but statements, and just demonstrably logically false.

It's all bonkers. 

[Red Beret]

Football is pretty basic though Rob, stick the round thing in the net and your troubles go away, don't do that and well twitchy bum time

[rob1966]

This

I can't be bothered with inverted this, false that, XG etc...

If that's your kind of thing then fine, but when a player is judged on "he's under/overperforming his XG", I find it boring as. CBA analysing things to that level, I just like to watch a match and enjoy it

[Red-Soldier]

If that's your kind of thing then fine, but when a player is judged on "he's under/overperforming his XG", I find it boring as. CBA analysing things to that level, I just like to watch a match and enjoy it

Life's too short for that bollocks.  It's just footie.

[So… Howard Philips]

If that's your kind of thing then fine, but when a player is judged on "he's under/overperforming his XG", I find it boring as. CBA analysing things to that level, I just like to watch a match and enjoy it

The Nunez thread has now become a debate concerning statistical analysis without antsy reference to football.

[Draex]

The Nunez thread has now become a debate concerning statistical analysis without antsy reference to football.

Stats on their own are without context, watching a player in a game without the stats again has no context. Talking about Nunez using basic doesn't score enough goals as a stat ignores the amount of space he creates for the rest of his colleagues to excel.

I get not everyone loves stats or the data analytics side, I personally find it fascinating but then again I spend hours wikipediaing any sort of random topic based on seeing it on tv, in a book etc.

However I find the whole debate in that thread (and others) an interesting point this as it kind of ignores what made this club great once again. It was never just about laptop Eddie and his moneyball stats, it was never just about a brilliant man manager and innovative coach/manager (and team), it was never about us recruiting quantum physics uber nerds to create new and never seen before pitch space analysis, it wasn't poaching some of the best scouts from Man City who did expectional back ground work on character and "fit" for the team.. It was these merging of new and old techniques to create this balanced back room set up which enabled us with little to no margin for error go toe to toe with the cheat mode sportswashers.

[SamLad]

interesting comments about the Nunez thread .... but please, let's not replicate the debate here!!

[rob1966]

interesting comments about the Nunez thread .... but please, let's not replicate the debate here!!

Is right.

[afc tukrish]

The Nunez thread has now become a debate concerning statistical analysis without antsy reference to football.

I'd argue that the totality of the Nunez thread is particularly antsy...

[Samie]

Seeing as it's start of the FA Cup 3rd round here's this...

1965 FA CUP final

[So… Howard Philips]

Seeing as it's start of the FA Cup 3rd round here's this...

1965 FA CUP final

Don Revie and Dirty Leeds. A match made in Hades.

[SamLad]

Don Revie and Dirty Leeds. A match made in Hades.

Damned if I can remember their captain's name.  Looks like a mascot next to Rowdie. 

[zero zero]

Damned if I can remember their captain's name.  Looks like a mascot next to Rowdie. 

Exactly what I was thinking!

[afc tukrish]

Damned if I can remember their captain's name.  Looks like a mascot next to Rowdie. 

Bobby Collins, no?

[Son of Spion]

Bobby Collins, no?

Yes.

[Terry de Niro]

My 1st visit to Anfield South. 

[rob1966]

What a great first game

[So… Howard Philips]

Bobby Collins, no?

One of the leading members of the ‘School of Science’ until he fell out with Catterick who sold him to a main rival Leeds United.

And repeated a few years later when they sold Alan Ball to Arsenal.

[Terry de Niro]

One of the leading members of the ‘School of Science’ until he fell out with Catterick who sold him to a main rival Leeds United.

And repeated a few years later when they sold Alan Ball to Arsenal.

Baffling why he sold either of them. 
But I reckon selling Ball hurt them the most.

[CHOPPER]

Alan Ball
Alan Ball
Is it true what Shankly said, you’re worth fuck all
Oh Alan Ball

[SamLad]

Bobby Collins, no?

I would have bet a ton of dosh that Bremner was their captain that day.

I have virtually no memory of Collins to be honest.

I guess I've totally overlooked him all these years.

[afc tukrish]

I would have bet a ton of dosh that Bremner was their captain that day.

I have virtually no memory of Collins to be honest.

I guess I've totally overlooked him all these years.

Reasonably certain it was he who fouled Byrne, thereby cementing his reputation as the Baddest of All Asses Forevermore

[Terry de Niro]

Reasonably certain it was he who fouled Byrne, thereby cementing his reputation as the Baddest of All Asses Forevermore

It was him.

[Charlie Adams fried egg]

Alan Ball
Alan Ball
Is it true what Shankly said, you’re worth fuck all
Oh Alan Ball

I was too young to see Ball play for Everton and Arsenal, but I can remember hearing some fella singing it on his own when he was warming up at the Anny Road end in the late 70s, which would have been Southampton.

Did that song come from when he left Everton for a record fee? I always remember my old blue grandad saying it was because Ball needed his cut of the transfer fee.

[So… Howard Philips]

I was too young to see Ball play for Everton and Arsenal, but I can remember hearing some fella singing it on his own when he was warming up at the Anny Road end in the late 70s, which would have been Southampton.

Did that song come from when he left Everton for a record fee? I always remember my old blue grandad saying it was because Ball needed his cut of the transfer fee.

His fee was in the region of £800,000, a big sum for then, and they spent about £250,000 on John Connolly - and I have absolutely no memory of him.

The rest of the cash is resting in the same account as the Arteta money.

[So… Howard Philips]

Reasonably certain it was he who fouled Byrne, thereby cementing his reputation as the Baddest of All Asses Forevermore

What is it with our left backs and shoulder/collar bone injuries?

[Samie]

Boss pic this.

Mário Zagallo has passed away today. First man to win the World Cup as a player and manager.

[Red Beret]

And now we've lost another. With Franz Beckenbauer

[classycarra]

Didier Deschamps is going to have a very long Wednesday waiting for midnight

[Terry de Niro]

Didier Deschamps is going to have a very long Wednesday waiting for midnight

I get it.
I wonder how many more will.