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[Andy @ Allerton!]

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/man-who-was-released-from-a-co-donegal-hospital-by-anti-vaccination-campaigners-against-medical-advice-has-died-in-hospital-40886238.html

Such a waste.

These anti-vaxxers are really scumbags. Surely they can be prosecuted for manslaughter in this instance?

Poor fella. Terrified for his life, panicking, doesn't know what to believe and they con him into basically suicide. Absolutely tragic.

[BarryCrocker]

Such a waste.

These anti-vaxxers are really scumbags. Surely they can be prosecuted for manslaughter in this instance?

Poor fella. Terrified for his life, panicking, doesn't know what to believe and they con him into basically suicide. Absolutely tragic.

You just know the anti-vaxxers are going to claim they were right in their call that he would die in hospital.

[PaulF]

Easy to say this with hindsight, but why are the family slamming his 'friends' now. Where were they when he was being discharged?
I doubt the medical staff could have called security \ the police to get the anti vaxxers removed for endangering life. But they should be able to.

[Red_Mist]

Such a waste.

These anti-vaxxers are really scumbags. Surely they can be prosecuted for manslaughter in this instance?

They fucking should be.

This is beyond belief. What on earth is going on in their heads?

[kavah]

Just watched BBC news showing table of select vaccinated countries by %.

UK was 5th with 68%...below it Netherlands on 64%.

yet the official Dutch Health service reporting approx 80% ....so then...someone not telling the truth..surely not the BBC......

According to the FT/ Our World in Data

Fully Vaccinated

Netherlands is 62.9 and the UK 66.6

The link may be behind a paywall

https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker/?areas=gbr&areas=isr&areas=usa&areas=eue&areas=can&areas=chn&areas=ind&cumulative=1&doses=total&populationAdjusted=1

(Below)
Total doses per 100, % one dose (green), fully vaccinated (pink), total doses given, date of last update

[Libertine]

According to the FT/ Our World in Data

Fully Vaccinated

Netherlands is 62.9 and the UK 66.6

Strangely, the Our World in Data website is a little different - UK on 65%, NL on 64%.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2021-09-25&facet=none&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=total_vaccinations_per_hundred&Metric=People+vaccinated+%28by+dose%29&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=USA~GBR~DEU~FRA~NLD~IRL~CAN~ESP~BEL~DNK~PRT~AUS~NZL~European+Union~ISR

Very notable how quickly Aus and NZ have caught up after such a slow start. NZ now ahead of the US for one or two doses (though still quite a bit behind on fully vaccinated of course).

[Wabaloolah]

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/man-who-was-released-from-a-co-donegal-hospital-by-anti-vaccination-campaigners-against-medical-advice-has-died-in-hospital-40886238.html

these people are just scum. As Andy said they should be prosecuted

[TSC]

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/man-who-was-released-from-a-co-donegal-hospital-by-anti-vaccination-campaigners-against-medical-advice-has-died-in-hospital-40886238.html

Sickening.  Social media fuelled cult at its worse.

[rob1966]

Question for those who might know. If you test positive for Covid, and have to take a PCR test 3 weeks later for travel and then another 3 days later, how likely are you to test positive on one of those two tests?

[djahern]

Question for those who might know. If you test positive for Covid, and have to take a PCR test 3 weeks later for travel and then another 3 days later, how likely are you to test positive on one of those two tests?

Think it’s 50% would still test positive after 4 weeks. It depends a lot on age and severity of the infection though, so that 50% in 4 weeks is likely from a group of patients early in the pandemic who would have had severe infection for the most part - so probably overestimate the average time.

Your covid pass for international travel should have both your current vaccination status and whether or not you had a confirmed positive test in the previous 180 days. So it’s worth downloading that NHS app to get that pass for him - is he over 16?

[rob1966]

No he's only 13 and Cyprus have officially told me they only accept the EU covid recovery certificate, so he is treated as unvaccinated, another Brexit win

He's gone quite rough with it now, deep cough and looks tired and drawn.

[djahern]

No he's only 13 and Cyprus have officially told me they only accept the EU covid recovery certificate, so he is treated as unvaccinated, another Brexit win

He's gone quite rough with it now, deep cough and looks tired and drawn.

I’m sure he’ll be on the mend pretty quick. A worry I’m sure, most parents will be in the same boat sometime this side of Christmas.

[idontknow]

Lot of hate in here

[idontknow]

Shoot the fucking lot of them dead for that, the sick c*nts.

Lot of hate in here.

[killer-heels]

Is it now confirmed that there are no real concerns over getting the vaccine when pregnant?

[farawayred]

Is it now confirmed that there are no real concerns over getting the vaccine when pregnant?

Are you telling us something, KH? 

As far as I know, there is no credible evidence of complications in pregnant women, but keep in mind that it's too early in the game. As far as I know, none of the vaccines are approved on a regular basis (at least in the US), they are approved on emergency provisions. The data for the regular population are flooding in, but even they are not 100%v vetted. Pregnant women were initially excluded from testing and discouraged to get the vaccine on precautionary grounds, so the data set is small. I think everyone has to make an individual decision based on the risk group they are in.

[killer-heels]

Are you telling us something, KH? 

As far as I know, there is no credible evidence of complications in pregnant women, but keep in mind that it's too early in the game. As far as I know, none of the vaccines are approved on a regular basis (at least in the US), they are approved on emergency provisions. The data for the regular population are flooding in, but even they are not 100%v vetted. Pregnant women were initially excluded from testing and discouraged to get the vaccine on precautionary grounds, so the data set is small. I think everyone has to make an individual decision based on the risk group they are in.

I friend of mine had her first vaccine in June some point and is now 14 weeks pregnant with twins. She was asking me today whether any news had filtered through around all this being peer reviewed. Her GP has said to take it.

[farawayred]

I friend of mine had her first vaccine in June some point and is now 14 weeks pregnant with twins. She was asking me today whether any news had filtered through around all this being peer reviewed. Her GP has said to take it.

This is the hardest decision, and her GP would be a better source of information than anyone here. She's got some immunity two weeks after the first vaccine, usually about 60-70% of the antibody level if you survived Covid without a vaccine. But the immunity degrades over time depending on the person (three months since June). The second vaccine would bring the antibodies to 120% of the no-vaccine post-Covid level, but is that worth the unknown risk? Depending on her lifestyle (risk of exposure) and her health (known risk factors), she may chose either way. She does have some immunity.

[stoa]

As far as I know, none of the vaccines are approved on a regular basis (at least in the US), they are approved on emergency provisions.

In Europe the vaccines have been approved according to the regular process and no emergency approvals have been granted. Don't know about the UK, but the Germans recommend vaccinations for pregnant women after the 13th week of pregnancy. They say that while there is not a lot of data about the vaccinations during pregnancy, there are no signs that they have a negative effect on either the woman or the developing child, while pregnant women have a higher risk of getting a more severe case of Covid compared to non-pregnant women. Therefore, they recommend vaccinations. I think it's the same here in Austria.

[west_london_red]

Are you telling us something, KH? 

As far as I know, there is no credible evidence of complications in pregnant women, but keep in mind that it's too early in the game. As far as I know, none of the vaccines are approved on a regular basis (at least in the US), they are approved on emergency provisions. The data for the regular population are flooding in, but even they are not 100%v vetted. Pregnant women were initially excluded from testing and discouraged to get the vaccine on precautionary grounds, so the data set is small. I think everyone has to make an individual decision based on the risk group they are in.

The Pfizer vaccine is fully approved by the FDA as of last month, Moderna and J&J are still under Emergency Use.

[djahern]

I friend of mine had her first vaccine in June some point and is now 14 weeks pregnant with twins. She was asking me today whether any news had filtered through around all this being peer reviewed. Her GP has said to take it.

Here’s a regularly updated document of all peer reviewed knowledge of the vaccines, covid, pregnancy and post birth. The best source I’ve seen for this question which is obviously asked a lot.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_wHIYX-tGkGBPwuax7N8BxZPR4PTTCDm/view

Anecdotally, I know there are a lot of studies that are being undertaken at the moment into the effects of covid on pregnant women which have really only become possible due to the large numbers of pregnant women entering hospital for covid treatment. Obviously, of course, the threshold for admitting a pregnant woman is far lower than admitting a middle-aged man like myself, but they are making up a substantial proportion of the numbers that have been entering hospital these last couple of months.

Edit: should add that Viki Male is someone you should recommend your friend follows on Twitter for some great breakdowns of the latest research into their very question.

[Commie Bobbie]

Lot of hate in here

There is. But let's be clear - its should be aimed at the snake oil salesmen who have their fold up demonstrations pinned to their motorhome and move from town to town espousing - let's be blunt - their bullshit - day in, day out.

[rob1966]

Lot of hate in here.

Yes there is, I do hate people who have caused the deaths of innocent people by peddling lies, bullshit and shite they read on Facebook. They are pushing their own agendas while killing people. There was a fella the other week, the anti vaxxers propaganda put doubts in his mind, he didn't get the vaccine, he's now dead. This is happening everywhere. They have no excuse for what they are doing.

I also have a lot of love for the wonderful people who created the vaccines, our NHS staff who sorted us out the volunteers who work at the clinics, the doctors, nurses and all other staff who have battled through this to care for patients and continue to now deal with those who refused the vaccine and are now in hospital. I feel extremely grateful to the staff who man the testing centres, they are working every day coming into contact with people with the virus.

[So… Howard Philips]

There is. But let's be clear - its should be aimed at the snake oil salesmen who have their fold up demonstrations pinned to their motorhome and move from town to town espousing - let's be blunt - their bullshit - day in, day out.

And bullshit that is targeted at the gullible and scared.

[rob1966]

And bullshit that is targeted at the gullible and scared.

And ultimately killing them

[Macphisto80]

I'd personally line Boris and the rest of his mates up against a wall first.

[rob1966]

I'd personally line Boris and the rest of his mates up against a wall first.

Nah, this for that lot

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/0u6T7f6oJA4" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/0u6T7f6oJA4</a>

[idontknow]

Shoot the fucking lot of them dead for that, the sick c*nts.

He is right. Every Anti Vax c*nt should be shot dead.

RAWK  cool with this?
Advocacy of mass murder.

[Welshred]

RAWK  cool with this?
Advocacy of mass murder.

Have you reported it to bring it to the attention of the moderating team?

[idontknow]

Have you reported it to bring it to the attention of the moderating team?

Not yet.

Giving people time to react themselves.

[Welshred]

Not yet.

Giving people time to react themselves.

So how are you expecting the site to do something about it when you haven't reported it? idontknow what you want them to do...

[rob1966]

Not yet.

Giving people time to react themselves.

To save you the time I reported it myself.

[Jono69]

To save you the time I reported it myself.

Grass

[farawayred]

Interesting how society twists perceptions over time... including that of the guillotine. Back in the day, it was considered the most advanced instrument to deliver a death sentence without causing pain and suffering as opposed to death by a firing squad or hanging.

[didi shamone]

Just read the story about the Donegal covid patient sprung from hospital by his anti vaccine "buddies". To say its bizarre is an understatement. Hopefully they can be charged with manslaughter but perhaps his being complicit in it will save their bacon.
They're a group of weirdos called "the common law information centre" lead by an Italian right wing weapon called Antonio Mureddu. The whole thing is on video apparently.

The story is in the Irish Sunday independent.

[PaulF]

Interesting how society twists perceptions over time... including that of the guillotine. Back in the day, it was considered the most advanced instrument to deliver a death sentence without causing pain and suffering as opposed to death by a firing squad or hanging.

Guess rifles weren't as accurate back then?

[idontknow]

To save you the time I reported it myself.

Thank you.

[idontknow]

So how are you expecting the site to do something about it when you haven't reported it? idontknow what you want them to do...

What do I want?
A football forum where no-one
will get away with saying let's shoot these group of people.


While you've your back to it and ask me what I want

[Welshred]

What do I want?
A football forum where no-one
will get away with saying let's shoot these group of people.


While you've your back to it and ask me what I want

What you wanted wasn't what I asked. You can't expect a site to moderate the comments you want moderated when you aren't reporting those comments yourself. Want to bring something to the attention if the mods? Then you need to report it.

[BlackandWhitePaul]

Nah, this for that lot

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/0u6T7f6oJA4" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/0u6T7f6oJA4</a>

No, not that.  I can't stand the sight of blood.

Can we not just give them a Man U season ticket and bore them to death?