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I'm saying it was known and being reported by mainstream news. C4 was the only mainstream news I saw it on, though. The BBC and ITV news weren't reporting anything about it to my knowledge.

It was on radio 2 back in May about care homes having ambulances turn up with elderly patients from hospitals, the care homes asked if they had been tested and the majority hadn’t been but were still taken in because they were being paid to take them. 

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But when the outrage of sending patients to care homes, untested, first came to light and something obviously had to change, what happened? They sent them as soon as they were tested, ie before the results had come through, until that one got rumbled too. I can't even find the words.
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But when the outrage of sending patients to care homes, untested, first came to light and something obviously had to change, what happened? They sent them as soon as they were tested, ie before the results had come through, until that one got rumbled too. I can't even find the words.

Horrendous.  And the whole issue of absence of PPE.  Stopped publishing testing figures weeks ago, and Dido Harding confirmed yesterday the ‘world class app’ is effectively dead, not willing to commit to any date for when it will be ready.

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Boris passing the buck and lying? Ya don't say?

He's a cowardly c*nt. They all are. I doubt he had the virus or, at worst, was even bad with it to begin with. His bollocks shriveled up and he fucked off and hid for a few weeks when the pandemic was at it worst. Now he's out finger pointing and putting the blame on anyone but himself. Sounds familiar.

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Spain's coronavirus antibodies study adds evidence against herd immunity

Madrid (CNN) Spain's large-scale study on the coronavirus indicates just 5% of its population has developed antibodies, strengthening evidence that a so-called herd immunity to Covid-19 is "unachievable," the medical journal the Lancet reported on Monday.

The findings show that 95% of Spain's population remains susceptible to the virus. Herd immunity is achieved when enough of a population has become infected with a virus or bacteria -- or vaccinated against it -- to stop its circulation.

The European Center for Disease Control told CNN that Spain's research, on a nationwide representative sample of more than 61,000 participants, appears to be the largest study to date among a dozen serological studies on the coronavirus undertaken by European nations.

It adds to the findings of an antibody study involving 2,766 participants in Geneva, Switzerland, published in the Lancet on June 11.

There have been similar studies in China and the United States and "the key finding from these representative cohorts is that most of the population appears to have remained unexposed" to Covid-19, "even in areas with widespread virus circulation," said a Lancet commentary published along with Spain's findings.

"In light of these findings, any proposed approach to achieve herd immunity through natural infection is not only highly unethical, but also unachievable," said the Lancet's commentary authors, Isabella Eckerle, head of the Geneva Centre for Emerging Viral Diseases, and Benjamin Meyer, a virologist at the University of Geneva.

Doctors are uncertain whether having antibodies to the coronavirus means someone cannot be infected again. It's not clear how long or how well antibodies protect people from the virus.

Spain's peer-reviewed study began in April while the nation remained on a strict lockdown, and was conducted by leading government research and epidemiological agencies.

"The relatively low seroprevalence observed in the context of an intense epidemic in Spain might serve as a reference to other countries. At present, herd immunity is difficult to achieve without accepting the collateral damage of many deaths in the susceptible population and overburdening of health systems," the report reads.

The Spanish study's lead author, Marina Pollán, who is director of the National Center for Epidemiology, told CNN: "Some experts have computed that around 60% of seroprevalence might mean herd immunity. But we are very far from achieving that number."

Spain has been one of the countries in Europe hit hardest by the coronavirus, with more than 28,000 deaths and 250,000 cases.

The Lancet published results of the first phase of Spain's study, conducted from April 27 to May 11, which showed a nationwide antibody prevalence of 5%.

But the Madrid metropolitan area, the hardest-hit in the country by Covid-19, had more than 10% prevalence, and densely urban Barcelona had 7%, while many other coastal provinces had far lower rates.

Similarly, Geneva's prevalence was 10.8% in the Swiss study conducted from April to early May, the Lancet reported.

"With a large majority of the population being infection naïve, virus circulation can quickly return to early pandemic dimensions in a second wave once measures are lifted," the Lancet's commentary authors Eckerle and Meyer wrote of the findings.

Spain's second study phase results were released on June 4, showing a 5.2% national prevalence, just slightly higher than in the first phase. The results from the third and final phase were made public on Monday; they showed that national prevalence remained at 5.2%, Pollán said.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/06/health/spain-coronavirus-antibody-study-lancet-intl/index.html

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The reporting on the Spain study is a bit odd as I didn't think there was anything hugely surprising in there from what I have read elsewhere.

Antibody response isn't that strong in many cases and appears to fade quickly, but in spite of that we aren't seeing seeing significant numbers of reinfected, implying the immune response to COVID consists of more than just an antibody response.

It certainly appears that antibody testing likely underestimates the number of people who have had COVID.
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For me, the more of these studies coming out shows that we have to accept that this virus won't be fully sorted till a vaccine is completed and shown to be effective or that over a long enough time (potentially years) we get lucky with the virus mutating to a less deadly form.

I kinda wish the governments of the world would just be open with us, admit how deadly it can be and enforce rules to help us try to contain the virus as best we can whilst living a relatively normal life. Meanwhile they can try to work together at international levels to set common rules for travel/trade etc, while combining resources to try to create/trial vaccines. Instead you have braggarts and dickheads denying it's real, others hoping it will just disappear and then some saying it's "short term pain" and the like.

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The reporting on the Spain study is a bit odd as I didn't think there was anything hugely surprising in there from what I have read elsewhere.

Antibody response isn't that strong in many cases and appears to fade quickly, but in spite of that we aren't seeing seeing significant numbers of reinfected, implying the immune response to COVID consists of more than just an antibody response.

It certainly appears that antibody testing likely underestimates the number of people who have had COVID.

Do the antibodies appear to fade quickly? I was tested for them here in Spain about 3 months after I was infected and it seemed to still have a high reading of antibodies. Of course 3 months s different from 6 months, or a year, or more.

You are definitely right regarding the testing not giving the full figure though, or at least antibodies not forming the entire immune response. My co-worker was tested the same day as me, and literally that same day her live-in boyfriend went down with a high fever for 4 days. She was completely symptomless throughout. Presumably too early to show up as positive for antibodies on the test too - which came out as a negative.
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Right, I’ve spent 3 1/2 dates developing 3 different ways we can return to school in September.  One of which I consider safest, the other two being a bit of a fudge of the rules.

Quite fun in a really odd way
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The reporting on the Spain study is a bit odd as I didn't think there was anything hugely surprising in there from what I have read elsewhere.

Antibody response isn't that strong in many cases and appears to fade quickly, but in spite of that we aren't seeing seeing significant numbers of reinfected, implying the immune response to COVID consists of more than just an antibody response.

It certainly appears that antibody testing likely underestimates the number of people who have had COVID.

I read something a few days ago suggesting something similar, antibodies are one of the ways your body fights infections but are not the only way. T Cells were what that article mentioned but there are other cells too from what I can remember in the immune system that fight infections (although some of them are based of attacking cells where the antigen has attached itself to identify the cell as foreign or infected).
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Right, I’ve spent 3 1/2 dates developing 3 different ways we can return to school in September.  One of which I consider safest, the other two being a bit of a fudge of the rules.

Quite fun in a really odd way

Can’t wait to see that one on a dating site advert.
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Can’t wait to see that one on a dating site advert.

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I wonder what caused the 4th date to be cut in half?

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I wonder what caused the 4th date to be cut in half?

I hazard a guess at boredom ;D

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Melbourne to be locked down for 6 weeks. Residents will no longer be allowed to leave their homes unless it's for grocery shopping, caregiving, exercise or work. The border between Victoria and NSW has also been closed for the first time since the Spanish Flu
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/07/asia/melbourne-coronavirus-lockdown-intl-hnk/index.html?

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I read something a few days ago suggesting something similar, antibodies are one of the ways your body fights infections but are not the only way. T Cells were what that article mentioned but there are other cells too from what I can remember in the immune system that fight infections (although some of them are based of attacking cells where the antigen has attached itself to identify the cell as foreign or infected).

Just looking through some of the coverage of the Spanish study with a coffee now and not seeing any caveats about that. From what the study there is saying, about 90% of people who have it will develop antibodies (the 10% seeming not to).

Other stuff which seems of interest to me is that it's from mid-May so expect numbers to have grown a bit more under lockdown there, say 6% now rather than 5%, and while a third of all cases were asymptomatic there's a big chunk of people who thought they'd had it from symptoms but turned out not to have (about 80% of people reporting symptoms didn't actually have it).

Nice write up from an evolutionary biologist: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1280303269269532672.html
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Hospitalizations up 50 percent in California amid coronavirus increase

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California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) confirmed Monday that the number of people hospitalized in the state with COVID-19 has increased by approximately 50 percent over the last two weeks, as confirmed coronavirus cases continue to increase.

Newsom told reporters that the number of hospitalized people rose to 5,790 on Monday from 3,868 on June 22.

Nearly a third of those hospitalized were in Los Angeles County, which reported 630 patients with confirmed or suspected COVID-19 infections requiring intensive care, Reuters noted.

Twenty-five percent of hospitalizations in Los Angeles County in July were patients aged 18 to 40, according to the news service. Additionally, nearly 1,400 inmates at the San Quentin State Prison have contracted the virus.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/506128-hospitalizations-up-50-percent-in-california-amid-coronavirus-spike

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-53315702

Three pubs closing again because of positive virus tests

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-53315702

Three pubs closing again because of positive virus tests

Sign of things to come. Will be the same with gyms and restaurants as well.

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Florida mother takes her teen daughter to church gathering with over 100 attending, no masks or social distancing, daughter catches covid and is treated at home by mother with hydroxychloroquine. Daughter dies a few days later. Thing is the mother is a nurse and her stepdad is a physician assistant.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/florida-teen-dies-after-conspiracy-theorist-mom-takes-her-to-church-covid-party-and-tries-to-treat-her-with-trump-approved-drug-report/

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These antibody studies are a bit odd. The immune system produces antibodies once it's identified an infection. When the infection is gone, it keeps production of antibodies up for a bit, then they'll go away again. Not having antibodies can mean you never had the virus, or you had it some time ago, and the immune response is over. I also think, in general the stronger the infection, the more antibodies will have been produced, so some people without symptoms might have only had a low level of antibodies.

What matter in terms of immunity is whether the immune system has learned what the virus looks like, and whether it will restart production of antibodies when a new infection with the same virus is detected. This memory is saved in T-cells and somewhere else. It's not easy to detect though - you can take T-cells to a lab, expose them to the virus, and see what happens, but it's not a quick test.

If there is no lasting memory of the infection, not only would the herd immunity 'strategy' be futile, it would also be impossible to develop an effective longer-lasting vaccine. That would be very unusual though.
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Right, I’ve spent 3 1/2 dates developing 3 different ways we can return to school in September.  One of which I consider safest, the other two being a bit of a fudge of the rules.

Quite fun in a really odd way

What does the safe one look like?

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What does the safe one look like?
Year groups by and large kept in one specific area apart from subjects which need practical equipment (although no practical for science Y7-11).

Staff move between areas and pupils stay in them.

A staggered lunch so we only have half the school at lunch at any one time.  This will help manage the queue.

I got rid of break and have just put in bigger gaps between lessons for staff movement and toilet breaks with segregated toilets.  I spent most of the weekend working on it as I wasn’t sleeping from trying to work out how the hell to do it....
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Yeah that sounds like how I said to my gf it would have to work. Her head (unsurprisingly) is continuing to do her not giving too much of a shit act though so think staff will be staying put and pupils moving around from classroom to classroom which totally goes against the suggestions.

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Year groups by and large kept in one specific area apart from subjects which need practical equipment (although no practical for science Y7-11).

Staff move between areas and pupils stay in them.

A staggered lunch so we only have half the school at lunch at any one time.  This will help manage the queue.

I got rid of break and have just put in bigger gaps between lessons for staff movement and toilet breaks with segregated toilets.  I spent most of the weekend working on it as I wasn’t sleeping from trying to work out how the hell to do it....

I went to a traditional grammar school in the 60s, we stayed in the class and teachers came to us. Seemed to work as it prevented fighting in the corridors. That had to wait till the lunch break.

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Florida mother takes her teen daughter to church gathering with over 100 attending, no masks or social distancing, daughter catches covid and is treated at home by mother with hydroxychloroquine. Daughter dies a few days later. Thing is the mother is a nurse and her stepdad is a physician assistant.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/florida-teen-dies-after-conspiracy-theorist-mom-takes-her-to-church-covid-party-and-tries-to-treat-her-with-trump-approved-drug-report/

Just find stuff like that so incredibly sad. People so locked into something that they'll reject every other alternative even when their kids' lives are at stake. Even rejecting the treatment recommended at hospital, when they eventually did go, until it was too late.
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Reported that Bolsanora has tested positive.

He'll be on of the lucky one's with the Prince Charles strain.

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Bolsonaro tests positive for COVID-19.

Let’s go live to one of his compatriots for a reaction.


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Ahhhh, Bolsanero has got the 'little flu' now and has tested positive. Has symptoms as well.
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Do I detect a bit of unholy glee on here? ;D

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Surely he needs to have an urgent face to face meeting with Trump?

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I don't want him to die but if his worsening condition is the wake up call that the Brazilian government needs to get its act together thus saving thousands of lives, then most of us won't complain. 
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I went to a traditional grammar school in the 60s, we stayed in the class and teachers came to us. Seemed to work as it prevented fighting in the corridors. That had to wait till the lunch break.


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Ahhhh, Bolsanero has got the 'little flu' now and has tested positive. Has symptoms as well.

I hope his aides tell him that its just the flu and that he has nothing to worry about.

And that he needs to meet with Trump and Pence ASAP.

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Florida mother takes her teen daughter to church gathering with over 100 attending, no masks or social distancing, daughter catches covid and is treated at home by mother with hydroxychloroquine. Daughter dies a few days later. Thing is the mother is a nurse and her stepdad is a physician assistant.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/florida-teen-dies-after-conspiracy-theorist-mom-takes-her-to-church-covid-party-and-tries-to-treat-her-with-trump-approved-drug-report/
Makes me angry to read that. That fat head oompa loompa wanker and her parents...fucking hell, I've no words for either of them.

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155 further fatalities in UK reported today.

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I don't want him to die but if his worsening condition is the wake up call that the Brazilian government needs to get its act together thus saving thousands of lives, then most of us won't complain. 

Speak for yourself. I hope he dies a very painful death as a result of this.

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Am I bad if I say I hope it does him in?
Hmm, not really. Though they say near death experiences change people. Let's hope he has one of those and see if it changes him.