Topic: PL: Liverpool 3 Newcastle 1 (Willems 7' Mane 28' 40', Salah 71')

[Persephone]

Hate these stats. The last one said whatever team was leading at X date had won the PL every time (but once and it was us). And we didn’t win again.

The team leading at Christmas has always gone on to win the league, except us...twice.

[Anfield Kopite]

The team leading at Christmas has always gone on to win the league, except us...twice.

Really ? What about Newcastle under Keegan ?

[harleydanger]

Wasn’t even bothered when they scored, just thought ‘careful Newcastle, you don’t want to make us angry, we’ll put 6 past you’

[PaulF]

I've only had a chance to watch it now, as I had a game of my own at the same time. Could have been 5-1. What it must be to be a Newcastle fan and see the defensive surety of Rafa replaced by the last-minute-last-ditch-hope-against-hope defending of Bruce.

Played our new-old-skool 2-5-3 shape again, 75% possession 8 shots on target, 3 goals, 3 points, City lost, and my team won 7-1. Not sure how much better this Saturday could have gone

BR's Leicester to have beaten man utd? Or maybe that loss saves ole his job.

[PhaseOfPlay]

Wasn’t even bothered when they scored, just thought ‘careful Newcastle, you don’t want to make us angry, we’ll put 6 past you’

[PhaseOfPlay]

BR's Leicester to have beaten man utd? Or maybe that loss saves ole his job.

Yes, we want him in a job for longer!

[Groundskeeper Willie]

3 questions: why wasn't the penalty given when Matip was headlocked? And, if it was because the ref didn't see it, why wasn't VAR used?

Seriously, what's the point of VAR if it can't even get these things right? If it had been in Europe, then it would have at least be given as a VAR penalty, bit I suspect the referee in said game would be good enough to have spotted it. Time for Marriner to hang up the old whistle.

I think we need an explanation from someone why it wasn't used.

[Yorkshire-Red]

3 questions: why wasn't the penalty given when Matip was headlocked? And, if it was because the ref didn't see it, why wasn't VAR used?

Seriously, what's the point of VAR if it can't even get these things right? If it had been in Europe, then it would have at least be given as a VAR penalty, bit I suspect the referee in said game would be good enough to have spotted it. Time for Marriner to hang up the old whistle.

I think we need an explanation from someone why it wasn't used.

The BT commentary said it was a "subjective" decision which VAR couldn't challenge. The telly ref said they "tussled for the ball". Both of these are excuses and incorrect.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

We did have the easiest start on paper from all our competitors though, so that helps. But the biggest help was City losing to Norwich, of coarse.

 
Bollocks we did.

Norwich (H), Southampton (A), Arsenal (H), Burnley (A), Newcastle (H)

Is no easier than

West Ham (A), Tottenham (H), Bournemouth (A), Brighton (H) Norwich (A)

Tottenham have lost to Newcastle at home, United have lost to Palace at home and Chelsea have dropped points to Sheffield United at home. Our lead has nothing to do with our fixtures and everything to do with us being bloody fantastic. No other Liverpool team in the PL era would have been able to pick up maximum points from the matches we've played.

[JovaJova]

3 questions: why wasn't the penalty given when Matip was headlocked? And, if it was because the ref didn't see it, why wasn't VAR used?

Seriously, what's the point of VAR if it can't even get these things right? If it had been in Europe, then it would have at least be given as a VAR penalty, bit I suspect the referee in said game would be good enough to have spotted it. Time for Marriner to hang up the old whistle.

I think we need an explanation from someone why it wasn't used.

I think all the refs must be internally rebelling against VAR. They basically aren’t using it, even for obvious things like the penalty yesterday. Maybe the only time it will be used is if someone picks the ball up and carries it into the net or something like that.

Part of me thinks that’s fine as football doesn’t need VAR, but now we have it, incidents like yesterday just make everyone look stupid including the refs.

[Fromola]

Attendance 51,000 on BBC and MOTD?

[ChrisLFCKOP]

What did the plane banner say?

Jurgen, are you ready for ?

[Groundskeeper Willie]

The BT commentary said it was a "subjective" decision which VAR couldn't challenge. The telly ref said they "tussled for the ball". Both of these are excuses and incorrect.

Subjective decision eh. So clear and blatant errors of refs will still not be rectified by VAR? I thought it was why it was introduced.

They are losing every ounce of credibility they never had.

Is the implementation of VAR different in England from say the Champions League?

They can scrap it if it's not going to be used for correcting blatant mistakes like that.

[Samio]

What did the plane banner say?

Jurgen, are you ready for ?

Couldn’t make it out myself. People are me saying it was something to do with Oktoberfest.

Although others at first thought it said Bayern Munich

[duvva 💅]

Subjective decision eh. So clear and blatant errors of refs will still not be rectified by VAR? I thought it was why it was introduced.

They are losing every ounce of credibility they never had.

Is the implementation of VAR different in England from say the Champions League?

They can scrap it if it's not going to be used for correcting blatant mistakes like that.

From what Comms have said on the games I’ve watched I think it is being used differently here, like the offside rule in terms of when assistant refs raise their flags, this is also different to the Champions League.

These different interpretations are just adding to the confusion, it’s almost like they want it to fail.

I assume in yesterday’s case the refs view was (wrongly) that the Matip penalty was a 50/50 challenge between two players going for the ball so it wasn’t a clear and obvious trip for example that he’d missed, or a pen that he’d given thinking the player hadnt played the ball when it turns out he had? Just my guess at the rules could be wrong but I really have no idea with how it’s being used and I think that’s the biggest issue with VAR nobody really understands how it’s being used.

[killer-heels]

We won the game in third gear again. Upped it to 4th gear for about 10 minutes in the second half and they couldnt live with us.

[Kenny's Jacket]

Couldn’t make it out myself. People are me saying it was something to do with Oktoberfest.

Although others at first thought it said Bayern Munich

Think it said Jurgen ready for Beer Munich

[Big Red Richie]

5 down 33 to go.

Every game, is one game closer to the  prize. 

[1892tillforever]

We won the game in third gear again. Upped it to 4th gear for about 10 minutes in the second half and they couldnt live with us.

I was sitting watching with a massive grin on my face at 2-1 when we were destroying them during that second half spell, and the crowd were singing and loving it. It was inevitable that we would get a third, and what a goal it was. At 2-1 there was always the tiniest squeak of a chance Newcastle would fluke an equaliser but at 3-1, it was damage limitation. Teams are beginning to know when their number is up at Anfield.

[woof]

Just hope all the key players remain healthy!

[Anthony]

That deserves to be a Bruce Banner...

[Wullie160975]

Both BBC and BT Sport said they thought Trent should have shown Willems down the line, but I thought Trent did the right thing showing him onto his weaker foot (don't think anyone expected him to do that with his right).

What are people's thoughts on this? Are they right or wrong?

[Golyo]

Both BBC and BT Sport said they thought Trent should have shown Willems down the line, but I thought Trent did the right thing showing him onto his weaker foot (don't think anyone expected him to do that with his right).

What are people's thoughts on this? Are they right or wrong?

Willems scored 12 goals in 270 apps. He scored the goal of his life yesterday, Trent did the right thing. Adrian should have tried using his left hand.

[JovaJova]

Both BBC and BT Sport said they thought Trent should have shown Willems down the line, but I thought Trent did the right thing showing him onto his weaker foot (don't think anyone expected him to do that with his right).

What are people's thoughts on this? Are they right or wrong?

Sometimes you just say “too good”. There was nothing Trent could or should have done definitely there.

We had two of those goals ourselves yesterday with Mane’s first and Salah’s. No way of stopping those goals.

[Samio]

Both BBC and BT Sport said they thought Trent should have shown Willems down the line, but I thought Trent did the right thing showing him onto his weaker foot (don't think anyone expected him to do that with his right).

What are people's thoughts on this? Are they right or wrong?

Their point was that nobody was in the box when you froze the frame with the ball at his feet.

They didn’t assume that had Williams gone done the line, on his stronger foot, Joelinton would have made a run himself.

Lazy analysis.

[Red Beret]

That deserves to be a Bruce Banner...

Beautiful. 

[free_at_last]

I always feel with this team when we go 1-0 down, we will get back in to the game at some stage. When I used to watch us under Brendan there were times when if we went a goal down, I had no hope in is getting back in to game.

Good polished performance, Newcastle had plenty of energy for 25 minutes but after that they felt the pressure and we had complete control because we pinned them back so far. I thought the midfield 3 were fantastic today.. Ox had a few runs where he overran the ball and lost it, but we've missed him in our midfield over the past year.

Special shoutout to VAR.. if we'd dropped points today because of that not been given to us we'd all be raging. Think the way we use the technology has some way to go yet.

  No - I remember them mentioning this last season. It's Anfield and it's a penalty award for Liverpool - those are excluded from VAR - they don't want to totally revolutionise the game that much by awarding pens at Anfield.

[classycarra]

Their point was that nobody was in the box when you froze the frame with the ball at his feet.

They didn’t assume that had Williams gone done the line, on his stronger foot, Joelinton would have made a run himself.

Lazy analysis.

I'm reassured it wasn't just me thinking this. In the second half Chamberlain showed their player down the line on their left, as Jenas instructed, and the guy put in the cross to an entirely free man on their right (RObertson had covered inside for VVD) that should have been scored

[Son of Spion]

Think it said Jurgen ready for Beer Munich

I didn't see it, so I'm probably way off with this, but could it have something to do with the new Liverpool FC themed bar opening in town soon called Jürgens Bierhaus?

[Kenny's Jacket]

I didn't see it, so I'm probably way off with this, but could it have something to do with the new Liverpool FC themed bar opening in town soon called Jürgens Bierhaus?

No idea, but that would make sense.  It made no sense to me at the time

Octoberfest is starting soon.

[b_joseph]

Their point was that nobody was in the box when you froze the frame with the ball at his feet.

They didn’t assume that had Williams gone done the line, on his stronger foot, Joelinton would have made a run himself.

Lazy analysis.

But in that situation, delaying a shot, gives your teammates extra time to get back and help. So if that happened, maybe the cross is intercepted by Trent himself, or one of his defensive partners.
Trent didnt do anything egregious though.

Shot of his life and you tip your cap but the angle he created for it, was as clean as he could ever hope for.

[classycarra]

He stood him up and forced him onto his weaker foot. He did delay the shot, albeit Willems switched the ball onto his right side insanely quickly

[TheTeflonJohn]

Fuck me we`re shit hot.

[S]

No point starting a new thread for this.

What's our record like shooting against the Kop first half? You see the opposition do it every now and then as a sort of mindgame. Arsenal did it a few weeks back as well. Off the top of my head I can only think of significant wins like Chelsea 2005, City 2014 and City twice in 2018. I'm guessing we've lost plenty too but I've just forgotten.

[redgriffin73]

No idea, but that would make sense.  It made no sense to me at the time

Octoberfest is starting soon.

Not the best bit of advertising, most people couldn't read it and those that could didnt understand it!

[Blert]

The banner said "Jurgen, ready for beermunch?"
No me neither....

[ChrisLFCKOP]

The banner said "Jurgen, ready for beermunch?"
No me neither....

Ok, weird I had no idea what reference is....very distracting as well esp when you cannot make it out and kept looping back around the ground.

[Blert]

I could read it ok from the lower centenary...
Perhaps it's an English translation of German slang...

[didi shamone]

Really ? What about Newcastle under Keegan ?

United under Ferguson too.  The media hyped up the Liverpool bottlers narrative by using the last ten years as as a benchmark.  The least they could have done was go back to when sky invented football.

[PhaseOfPlay]

Willems scored 12 goals in 270 apps. He scored the goal of his life yesterday, Trent did the right thing. Adrian should have tried using his left hand.

The distance between his left foot and his right hand is longer than the distance between his left foot and his left hand. That's why keepers dive like that for top corner shots across their body