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Thomas Gronnemark was perhaps the most surprising arrival at Liverpool this season after a summer of big spending on the likes of Alisson, Fabinho and Naby Keita.

Even manager Jurgen Klopp admitted he had never heard of a throw-in coach before employing the Dane.

The appointment of the 42-year-old, who also holds the world record for the longest throw-in at 51.33m, raised eyebrows and was mocked by TV pundit Andy Gray.

"I know it is totally the weirdest job in the world," Gronnemark, who thinks he is the world's first throw-in specialist, told BBC Sport.

Former Stoke midfielder Rory Delap may be the best known exponent of the long throw-in in the Premier League era, but Gronnemark says his brief at Anfield is "not to turn Liverpool into the second Stoke".

As he explains, there is more than meets the eye to the humble throw-in and it's a skill that when mastered can lead to goals and even "save the life" of a team.

Already making a difference at Liverpool

"I saw Joe Gomez take some really good throws for Liverpool that I had not seen him do before, he was fizzing it in there," said former Arsenal striker Ian Wright on Radio 5 live's Monday Night Club.

"It looks like he [Gronnemark] has taught him something. You have to say Liverpool will benefit from that."

Klopp believes Gronnemark has "already made a difference" with his work at Melwood.

"To be honest, I'd never heard about a throw-in coach," said the German. "When I heard about Thomas, it was clear to me I wanted to meet him; when I met him, it was 100% per cent clear I wanted to employ him."

Gronnemark, who has been working with teams since 2004, said Klopp contacted him as he was "curious" about his work and he says it is a "dream" job.

"If I was a defender I would not want to be on the end of one of Gomez's throw-ins," said Gronnemark.

"In general against Liverpool I would not want to put the ball out for a throw-in. I am not saying Liverpool will do a lot of long throw-ins, but you never know when they may do it."

Science of a throw-in

Gronnemark estimates there are 40-50 throw-ins in a game and in Saturday's 2-1 win against Leicester, Liverpool had 54 - their role and importance, he says, are "underestimated" unlike other set-pieces.

"If you are expecting professional footballers to be world-class throwers without coaching then you are pretty optimistic," he continues. "Generally the standard is quite poor.

"A focus on throw-ins can save the life of small clubs, as a technique to survive.

"But at the top of the league, it can help with a more fluent style of play. No matter what position in the league, throw-ins are an advantage."

Gronnemark teaches three types of throw-in - the long throw-in, the fast throw-in - which can launch counter-attacks - and the clever throw-in, which is about keeping possession under pressure.

"I focus on everything you can imagine," adds Gronnemark, a former international sprinter who was in the Danish athletics and bobsleigh teams. "It is not just the technique of the throw, but how to receive it, how to make the right runs, the positioning, creating space."

Aside from his freelance work with Liverpool, Gronnemark also coaches at Danish top-flights clubs FC Midtjylland and AC Horsens, and in the German Bundesliga.

Midtjylland, who won the Danish title last year, and Horsen scored 10 goals each last season from long throw-ins.

Danish left-back Andreas Poulsen, who joined Borussia Monchengladbach from Midtjylland, improved his long throw from 25m to 37.9m under Gronnemark's coaching.

Gronnemark says there are 25-30 technical aspects to a long throw and he uses video analysis to make improvements, which can see players improve their distance by four to eight metres on average and double the throwing area. Flexible, rather than strong players, are best at throw-ins and it is an essential skill for a full-back.

"If Liverpool score a goal or two from long throws that would be perfect for me," said Gronnemark." But even more so if it comes as a result of a fast throw or clever throw."

According to Opta, there have been just 20 goals scored from a "throw-in scenario" in the Premier League in the last five seasons and one scored so far in 2018-19.

Last season, Liverpool had just three shots from throw-ins, while Leicester City led the way with 14.

Goals from fast throws and clever throws are impossible to measure, but Gronnemark says these have a "greater impact" on the game and can make the game faster and more entertaining.

"If you have more possession, you have a greater chance of winning a game," says Gronnemark. "Sometimes set-pieces develop into set-pieces like corners and free-kicks and they help build pressure."

'I can make fun of myself'


"I'm sorry, a throw-in coach? Here's the ball, pick it up with both hands, take it behind your head and throw it with both feet on the ground," said former Scotland striker Gray in his criticism of Gronnemark's appointment.

Gronnemark says he didn't have a problem with Gray's comments, but felt the ex-Wolves player could have looked into what his job entailed.

"I know it is the weirdest job in the world," says Gronnemark, who has been fascinated by throw-ins since he was a child and has developed his own coaching course to fill the gap in the market.

"I am the world record holder and the world-leading expert, but I am not too big to make fun of myself."

He says some players he works with are "surprised" by his role and have a "bit of a laugh".


And what about THAT Iran throw-in?

One request Gronnemark often gets is to replicate his world record throw achieved with a front flip in 2010, but he says he has eaten "too many cakes" to attempt it these days.

Iran defender Milad Mohammadi attempted a similar feat during the World Cup as they looked for a last-minute equaliser against Portugal - but failed.

"His run-up was too slow," said Gronnemark. "It was a funny situation, but he must have had some bottle to try to make a flip throw-in, but I know it is the hardest thing to do in football."


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Unexplored potential, its makes sense to optimize this aspect of the as well,

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I was kind of neutral on this, but when I saw the video of that shitbag dinosaur Andy Gray scoffing at it I am now all for us becoming the new Stoke if we can score even 1 goal from a throw-in. To think that there was controversy when Sky got rid of those 2 fucktards - its the best thing they ever did and that Bein Sports outfit must be embarassing.

Seriously though, in a professional game with so many fine margins its pretty mad how little has changed on the throw-in side of it in decades.

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I think it's a very smart move by us, it's a small thing but could be a vital part of a game. Hopefully he has a positive effect on the team.

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Can we get a corner specialist too. Definitely something we don't make the most out of.

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Quite happy about us "leading the way" so to say in this, it's a part of the game, why not use a coach to strengthen our players in order to create a  potential goal scoring opportunity?

I am all for it.

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It's all about marginal gains when your chasing a team that got 100 points this season, so looks a good idea especially when you see how many throw ins we had Leicester on Saturday.

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I'm sure the commentator during the Leicester game was talking about this and suggested that, at least initially, Gronnemark would only be working with the Academy. But most subsequent reporting has implied that he has/will be working with the first team too. Anyone know anything definitive?

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If Gray slags it off then even if I didn't like it to start with, I'd soon change my mind. Those quotes from him sum up how limited he is.

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It's all about marginal gains when your chasing a team that got 100 points this season, so looks a good idea especially when you see how many throw ins we had Leicester on Saturday.

We'll be seeing some acrobatics on the sidelines soon enough! ;D

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It sounds good, especially the margins for improvement which can be achieved. It seems like we have become very innovative in coaching methods and are using every possible technique to make the small improvements which will hopefully lead to success soon.  I hope we have a specialist free kick trainer helping the likes of Trent improve further also.

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If it stops Trent spending a minute taking every throw in then I'm all for it ;D
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Bizarre that you can be ridiculed just for trying to improve yourselves.

Plus if it means Albie can learn to take even a couple a game that aren't foul throws then where's the harm?! ;D
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It's all about marginal gains when your chasing a team that got 100 points this season, so looks a good idea especially when you see how many throw ins we had Leicester on Saturday.

We only had 9 in dangerous areas though.

There were 9296 shots last year in the PL, and only 36 of them were created from throw-ins. There was a single assist all last season too, direct from a throw-in.

It's not something we'll gain a massive edge from. Maybe 2-4 extra goals from it, I think.
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We only had 9 in dangerous areas though.

There were 9296 shots last year in the PL, and only 36 of them were created from throw-ins. There was a single assist all last season too, direct from a throw-in.

It's not something we'll gain a massive edge from. Maybe 2-4 extra goals from it, I think.

I imagine Klopp would see that as a total success.

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If it stops Trent spending a minute taking every throw in then I'm all for it ;D

It's just a matter of time before one of our own players try and get him booked for timewasting! ;D

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We only had 9 in dangerous areas though.

There were 9296 shots last year in the PL, and only 36 of them were created from throw-ins. There was a single assist all last season too, direct from a throw-in.

It's not something we'll gain a massive edge from. Maybe 2-4 extra goals from it, I think.

We won't concede many this season so it would help goal difference.

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Can we get a corner specialist too. Definitely something we don't make the most out of.
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We won't concede many this season so it would help goal difference.

We're not winning or losing the league on goal difference :D

We'll have to win it on points.
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If it stops Trent spending a minute taking every throw in then I'm all for it ;D
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We only had 9 in dangerous areas though.

There were 9296 shots last year in the PL, and only 36 of them were created from throw-ins. There was a single assist all last season too, direct from a throw-in.

It's not something we'll gain a massive edge from. Maybe 2-4 extra goals from it, I think.
Isnt part of the idea of this sort of thing though tuat you would generate more shots or attacking situations than average. Id also say that 2-4 extra goals is worth a fair bit in the PL

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Can we get a corner specialist too. Definitely something we don't make the most out of.

Corners accounted for 6% of shots last season, and 5% of goals. It would be another 2-4 goal bump.
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Isnt part of the idea of this sort of thing though tuat you would generate more shots or attacking situations than average. Id also say that 2-4 extra goals is worth a fair bit in the PL

It's worth 2-4 extra points, for sure (1 goal is roughly equal to 1 point), and that could be the difference between a challenge and no-challenge, or a title win, or no-win. But the real secret to throw-ins is to throw them in quickly while the defence is disorganised (because you can't be offside on a throw-in). It amazes me how many attackers play in onside positions on throw-ins and fail to stretch the defence for the attacking mids.
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I did notice Gomez taking a couple of long throws. Can’t recall us doing that since Riise used to do it. It’s another weapon a bit like a corner.

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Andy Gray thinks it's a stupid idea so I'm surprised we haven't sacked him. Everyone on Twitter thinks so too. This is damaging for the club!

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We only had 9 in dangerous areas though.

There were 9296 shots last year in the PL, and only 36 of them were created from throw-ins. There was a single assist all last season too, direct from a throw-in.

It's not something we'll gain a massive edge from. Maybe 2-4 extra goals from it, I think.

But it mightn't just result in getting goals, or even creating chances, from throw-ins.

It could also result in opposing teams not putting it out for a throw when under pressure (when they normally would) if they believe we're a threat. That could mean mistakes or us turning it over in dangerous situations.

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Andy Gray thinks it's a stupid idea so I'm surprised we haven't sacked him. Everyone on Twitter thinks so too. This is damaging for the club!
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It's obviously a really good idea  ;D

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But it mightn't just result in getting goals, or even creating chances, from throw-ins.

It could also result in opposing teams not putting it out for a throw when under pressure (when they normally would) if they believe we're a threat. That could mean mistakes or us turning it over in dangerous situations.

You're not wrong, but on the other hand, the teams who put the ball out for throw-ins usually do so anyway, while the teams who value possession, tend to keep the ball in. I'm not sure any perception of us being dangerous on throw-ins will alter the "25-throw-ins-per-team" statistic much.
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Isnt part of the idea of this sort of thing though tuat you would generate more shots or attacking situations than average. Id also say that 2-4 extra goals is worth a fair bit in the PL

Exactly what I thought. A throw-in is not like a pass in open play any more than a corner or free kick is, the opposition have a chance to organise themselves for it beforehand. So anything that puts doubt in their mind has to be a good thing. Whether it leads to a goal (or prevents one) within two passes or ten doesn't matter, you've got in their heads. That's the important bit, perception is king.
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Exactly what I thought. A throw-in is not like a pass in open play any more than a corner or free kick is, the opposition have a chance to organise themselves for it beforehand. So anything that puts doubt in their mind has to be a good thing. Whether it leads to a goal (or prevents one) within two passes or ten doesn't matter, you've got in their heads. That's the important bit, perception is king.

Only if the throwing team is slow to take the throw
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Gray and Twitter now.
It's obviously a really good idea  ;D

It is and neither the opinion of Gray or of people on Twitter matters, they shouldn't even be considered. Let rivals and pundits laugh all they want, we're doing this to improve our team.

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You're not wrong, but on the other hand, the teams who put the ball out for throw-ins usually do so anyway, while the teams who value possession, tend to keep the ball in. I'm not sure any perception of us being dangerous on throw-ins will alter the "25-throw-ins-per-team" statistic much.

Very true. But it probably only needs to be successful 2 or 3 times to be worth it (especially as the guy is only here part time, not like he's on the bench). And from what the lad has said, it's not just about creating goals. Can be from a defensive situation too. 

I think it was on Sky that there was an ex player, can't remember who it was unfortunately, that said against Stoke they'd try not to put it out for a throw in if they could, due to the threat from Delap. Anything that can put even a second of doubt in a player's mind is a good thing, especially if Salah / Mane etc is chasing them down. Marginal gains and all that.

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There were 9296 shots last year in the PL, and only 36 of them were created from throw-ins. There was a single assist all last season too, direct from a throw-in.

Gronnemark's point is that it's an underutilized part of the game that's not usually approached with any real strategy. Those stats support, rather than disprove, his argument.

It would be cool if we get a similar article to this one at the end of the season, so we can understand what effect, if any, the change in our approach to throw-ins actually has: https://statsbomb.com/2018/08/i-think-we-broke-denmark/

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Gronnemark's point is that it's an underutilized part of the game that's not usually approached with any real strategy. Those stats support, rather than disprove, his argument.

It would be cool if we get a similar article to this one at the end of the season, so we can understand what effect, if any, the change in our approach to throw-ins actually has: https://statsbomb.com/2018/08/i-think-we-broke-denmark/

I disagree. Some teams don't have any strategy, some teams do. Same with everything else in football. I'm not dismissing it, or him. I'm just saying we shouldn't be expecting anything extensively rewarding from it.

Also, if United had hired him, we'd be laughing at them :)
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We only had 9 in dangerous areas though.

There were 9296 shots last year in the PL, and only 36 of them were created from throw-ins. There was a single assist all last season too, direct from a throw-in.

It's not something we'll gain a massive edge from. Maybe 2-4 extra goals from it, I think.

It won't just be about directly creating opportunities though, we concede possession far too often from poor set up around the restart. Anything that can help us keep possession and keep the pressure on will be beneficial to our play.

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I did notice Gomez taking a couple of long throws. Can’t recall us doing that since Riise used to do it. It’s another weapon a bit like a corner.
Yes Gomez put in couple of Throw ins into their box. Can see already the change with our throw ins in a week. Its quite good that we are not leaving anything for granted. Klopp will be more interested in faster and quicker throws that can create goals.

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Bizarre that you can be ridiculed just for trying to improve yourselves.

Mainly Andy Gray. Lest we forget, this guy: 'Yeah, I know. Can you believe that? Female linesman. Forget what I said – they probably don't know the offside rule.'. If he doesn't understand it, then there's a pretty a good chance it's a good idea.
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It's worth 2-4 extra points, for sure (1 goal is roughly equal to 1 point), and that could be the difference between a challenge and no-challenge, or a title win, or no-win. But the real secret to throw-ins is to throw them in quickly while the defence is disorganised (because you can't be offside on a throw-in). It amazes me how many attackers play in onside positions on throw-ins and fail to stretch the defence for the attacking mids.

Aye. Ederson looks to launch attacks on goal kicks knocking it to Aguero starting in an offside position. It's netted them a few goals this past year. It also creates space for them as the length of the pitch the opposition must cover is elongated - defenders are ready to collect it short and Aguero is ready to run into space 3/4s the way down the pitch.

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Would Klopp be perhaps as interested in winning the second ball from a let's say long-throw as he would the original? If the ball is lofted into a more central area, than say down the line in either direction, if the defensive header is insufficient it becomes an excellent counter-pressing chance, if not ball collection area.