Topic: Brexit: "Vultus inanis est et mori in fossa ego sum!"

[jillcwhomever]

It's gone 9.30 now & still debating.

It does sometimes continue considering the gravity of the situation.

[Dr. Beaker]

You know what these Tories are like, lying bas.. bet it turns out to be Ann Widecombe.

Phworrrrr.

[Statto Red]

It does sometimes continue considering the gravity of the situation.

Yep, me thinks it'll be another half hour debating, then voting commences, looks like the vote will be announced after 10.30pm, reminds me of the days of the Major government, & the many late night votes then

[oldfordie]

I don't think Natalie Imbruglia swings that way mate.

If it's true, am all out of faith.

[jillcwhomever]

Yep, me thinks it'll be another half hour debating, then voting commences, looks like the vote will be announced after 10.30pm, reminds me of the days of the Major government, & the many late night votes then

Tomorrow will be even later I suspect.

[west_london_red]

No fucking way.

That’s old news I thought

[Wabaloolah]

Del Piero and Flint have been long-term morons re: Brexit, though nowt on the fetid land that is wherever Kate Hoey strays.  Full list is:

Stephen Kinnock
Caroline Flint
Sarah Champion
Dan Jarvis
John Mann
Gloria del Piero
Laura Smith
Jim Fitzpatrick
Melanie Onn
Gareth Snell
Ruth Smeeth
Steph Peacock
Jon Cruddas
Kevin Barron
Yvonne Fovargue
Emma Lewell-Buck
Rosie Cooper

Oh and here's the GrandMaster of Gobshiteiness herself.

They are putting themselves above the good of the country, unlike the Tory remainers who appear to be putting country before their own electoral chances.  The great irony is, that if things go as pear shaped as predicted by Brexit, it is  their constituents that will be hit hardest and they will probably get blamed and be voted out anyway.

The big question is though, how will they vote in the main vote, as I doubt this amendment will be allowed by the speaker and even if it is allowed, it's chances of success must be slim.

The danger is that they could abstain and the government could sneak it

[Trada]

[Wabaloolah]

I have just seen on twitter something quite disturbing

I don’t know how to break this....

Liam Fox used to date Natalie Imbruglia.

Let that sink in....

What the actual fuck was she thinking?

[Zeb]

Kinnock and Co. are at least not opposed to an extension. Also fair that any Brexit has to begin with the WA negotiated by May.

[Millie]

What a twat.

[Wabaloolah]

what a fucking cockwomble

[Wabaloolah]

Kinnock and Co. are at least not opposed to an extension. Also fair that any Brexit has to begin with the WA negotiated by May.

Yes fair point, John Mann amongst them though....

[TheShanklyGates]

And he has the audacity to stand up and call others arrogant. Twat.

[jillcwhomever]

The Tories are utter c*nts.


Tim Shipman
@ShippersUnbound


Tory chiefs say there are 16 Conservative rebels tonight. They will all be stripped of the whip this evening

[Zeb]

Yes fair point, John Mann amongst them though....

Yeah, but letter suggests that their precondition is a commitment to find a solution. That's for the birds come 1st November, isn't it?

[TepidT2O]

The Tories are utter c*nts.


Tim Shipman
@ShippersUnbound


Tory chiefs say there are 16 Conservative rebels tonight. They will all be stripped of the whip this evening

What’s the end game here?

What do they gain form this?  I assume they thought that this would help them trigger an election via the ftpa?

[Jiminy Cricket]

Ken Clarke just schooled JRM

Thanks for highlighting that. I wound back to that at parliamentlive.tv. H did indeed school JRM, and I do find Ken Clarke an engaging speaker. But the idea of the UK becoming a vassal state is difficult to take. Only, assuming that Article 50 will not be revoked (directly, or via a new referendum), it beats the alternatives. I would have hoped that the vassal state outcome to be properly highlighted and argued, but some then would be only more encouraged to go for a No-Plan Brexit instead. I am still staggered by the monumental stupidity of it all.

[24/7]

The Tories are utter c*nts.


Tim Shipman
@ShippersUnbound


Tory chiefs say there are 16 Conservative rebels tonight. They will all be stripped of the whip this evening

If they're stripped of the whip, does that mean they're technically no longer MPs, even though they were democratically elected by their constituents? Talk about flying in the face of the will of the people.........doesn't it also mean Johnson has zero working majority in the House? Or are they still classed as serving MPs? As I understood it, removing the whip effectively expels them from the party, ergo the first sentence....

[Elmo!]

Ha, like anyone believes any of that billions of pounds to support businesses after no deal is going to go to crofters in the Highlands.

The Tories have already stolen over a hundered million pounds of EU money that was meant specifically for Scottish farmers.

[kennedy81]

'tens of billions of pounds' to help businesses in a no-deal scenario.

That's a lie, Gove mentioned a figure of 6.3 billion pounds today. They're just pulling figures out of their arses now.

[west_london_red]

Thanks for highlighting that. I wound back to that at parliamentlive.tv. H did indeed school JRM, and I do find Ken Clarke an engaging speaker. But the idea of the UK becoming a vassal state is difficult to take. Only, assuming that Article 50 will not be revoked (directly, or via a new referendum), it beats the alternatives. I would have hoped that the vassal state outcome to be properly highlighted and argued, but some then would be only more encouraged to go for a No-Plan Brexit instead. I am still staggered by the monumental stupidity of it all.

As soon as it was decided to Leave we were inevitably going to be someone’s vassal state, either the US, China or the EU.

[TheShanklyGates]

If they're stripped of the whip, does that mean they're technically no longer MPs?

They'd still be MPs, but they'd no longer be Conservative MPs.

[jillcwhomever]

What’s the end game here?

What do they gain form this?  I assume they thought that this would help them trigger an election via the ftpa?

Maybe they already have people lined up to replace them, far right bigots. Either way it could backfire on them big style. I see Hammond has already said he'd fight them like crazy. Maybe they will stand as Independents.

[24/7]

They'd still be MPs, but they'd no longer be Conservative MPs.

Therefore no working majority! VoNC inevitable.

[jillcwhomever]

If they're stripped of the whip, does that mean they're technically no longer MPs, even though they were democratically elected by their constituents? Talk about flying in the face of the will of the people.........doesn't it also mean Johnson has zero working majority in the House? Or are they still classed as serving MPs? As I understood it, removing the whip effectively expels them from the party, ergo the first sentence....

They can't stand as Tories, but they can as Independents. Whether their local parties would be happy or not is another thing altogether.

[CornerFlag]

If they're stripped of the whip, does that mean they're technically no longer MPs, even though they were democratically elected by their constituents? Talk about flying in the face of the will of the people.........doesn't it also mean Johnson has zero working majority in the House? Or are they still classed as serving MPs? As I understood it, removing the whip effectively expels them from the party, ergo the first sentence....

They're still serving MPs, just independent MPs, but Johnson will restore the whip when he realises he needs more votes.

"This means that the Member is effectively expelled from their party (but keeps their seat) and must sit as an independent until the whip is restored."

From https://www.parliament.uk/about/mps-and-lords/principal/whips/

[Red Beret]

What is this deal the Tory nutters keep claiming the want.  they keep saying we must be prepared to show were willing to walk away with no deal to get a deal but what exactly do they want, no backstop, thats not a deal, it's a unrealistic demand they know the EU can't agree too.

They're basically holding the British people hostage. They think the EU will back down because they know the catastrophic effect No Deal Brexit will have on the UK, and are fully aware the Tories couldn't give a shit what happens to them.  Any number of Brits are imbeciles who'll Tory even if they have to eat their own cat for supper.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Missed that, any links to it?

https://www.parliamentlive.tv Wind back (from the list on the right) to Ken Clarke at 20:15:28

[oldfordie]

WOW, Tory mp John Baron reply to a no deal destroying sheep farming is they will be given billions to readjust. we are talking about this countries ability to feed itself here and he as good as said,f..them, they have to move on.

[Elmo!]

WOW, Tory mp John Baron reply to a no deal destroying sheep farming is they will be given billions to readjust. we are talking about this countries ability to feed itself here and he as good as said,f..them, they have to move on.

There is no agicultural alternative to sheep farming in the Highlands. As said, it will be the second Highland Clearances.

[Commie Bobbie]

Rather loud outside.

[jillcwhomever]

WOW, Tory mp John Baron reply to a no deal destroying sheep farming is they will be given billions to readjust. we are talking about this countries ability to feed itself here and he as good as said,f..them, they have to move on.

I would like to say I'm surprised, but these awful people don't care how Brexit will affect the country as long as they get it.

[OOS]

WOW, Tory mp John Baron reply to a no deal destroying sheep farming is they will be given billions to readjust. we are talking about this countries ability to feed itself here and he as good as said,f..them, they have to move on.

Tories with the magic money tree. Fantasy economics. They have turned into economy wrecking, wealth destroying, business hating, a party of chaotic and impossible policies.

[Crosby Nick]

I have just seen on twitter something quite disturbing

I don’t know how to break this....

Liam Fox used to date Natalie Imbruglia.

Let that sink in....

I’m torn.

How did people not know that?

[Zeb]

Government are treating this as a matter of confidence , according to Sam Coates. Stringer shouldn't rebel for once. Yay.

[jillcwhomever]

Clearing the Chamber now. Come on everyone turn the heat up.

[oldfordie]

They're basically holding the British people hostage. They think the EU will back down because they know the catastrophic effect No Deal Brexit will have on the UK, and are fully aware the Tories couldn't give a shit what happens to them.  Any number of Brits are imbeciles who'll Tory even if they have to eat their own cat for supper.

I think they know the EU won't back down, it's not  just about the border it's also about protecting the single market, there is no way it can be done without a border.

[PaulF]

I’m torn.

How did people not know that?

I've just realised we aren't discussing Natalie Portman. Small relief

[west_london_red]

There is no agicultural alternative to sheep farming in the Highlands. As said, it will be the second Highland Clearances.

‘The Market’ will fix everything don’t you know?