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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee & Shite Referees in General
« Reply #25920 on: May 13, 2024, 08:40:38 pm »
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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee & Shite Referees in General
« Reply #25921 on: May 13, 2024, 08:46:09 pm »
I celebrate twice.
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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee & Shite Referees in General
« Reply #25922 on: May 13, 2024, 08:49:31 pm »
Just the 10 fouls to one in the half, but definitely no bias in the reffing

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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee & Shite Referees in General
« Reply #25923 on: May 13, 2024, 10:33:37 pm »
No lines shown for the Elliott offside goal?
I thought the right back played him onside?
No lines shown for the Nuñez offside (Looked offside)
No lines shown for the 2nd Duran goal?

Where is the transparency?

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« Reply #25924 on: May 13, 2024, 10:37:17 pm »
Double the fun for you then


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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee & Shite Referees in General
« Reply #25925 on: May 13, 2024, 10:37:43 pm »
No lines shown for the Elliott offside goal?
I thought the right back played him onside?
No lines shown for the Nuñez offside (Looked offside)
No lines shown for the 2nd Duran goal?

Where is the transparency?

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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee & Shite Referees in General
« Reply #25926 on: May 13, 2024, 10:48:46 pm »
No lines shown for the Elliott offside goal?
I thought the right back played him onside?
No lines shown for the Nuñez offside (Looked offside)
No lines shown for the 2nd Duran goal?

Where is the transparency?

Nunez disallowed goal was cleared quicker than light speed. Looked offside but was tight and so inconsistent with how long they spend on others….
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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee & Shite Referees in General
« Reply #25927 on: May 13, 2024, 10:51:51 pm »
No lines shown for the Elliott offside goal?
I thought the right back played him onside?
No lines shown for the Nuñez offside (Looked offside)
No lines shown for the 2nd Duran goal?

Where is the transparency?

Diaz was inside and Duran’s foot offside to the naked eye on the replays they showed. They showed no replays while VAR was checking.

Stinks to high heavens

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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee & Shite Referees in General
« Reply #25928 on: May 13, 2024, 10:55:23 pm »
Diaz was inside and Duran’s foot offside to the naked eye on the replays they showed. They showed no replays while VAR was checking.

Stinks to high heavens

I wonder if they showed the lines on other channels or streams?
I was only watching Sky.

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« Reply #25929 on: May 13, 2024, 10:56:26 pm »
Another no replay situation was what looked like a back pass. Obviously only saw it in real time so it could’ve been a genuine misplaced kick but the defender was facing the keeper so I don’t know what he was attempting to do with the ball other than guide it back to the keeper. We’ll never know because Sky inexplicably failed to replay it despite it being an obvious talking point given it was mentioned in commentary
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« Reply #25930 on: May 13, 2024, 11:07:28 pm »
I wonder if they showed the lines on other channels or streams?
I was only watching Sky.

My American mate said “no”. Surely someone out there has the footage and lines? I’m full sure Diaz was onside. Makes ZERO sense to not show lines.

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« Reply #25931 on: May 13, 2024, 11:14:02 pm »
Does anyone know if the automated offside shows the graphic each time or is the ref just told its off or on?

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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee & Shite Referees in General
« Reply #25932 on: May 13, 2024, 11:27:51 pm »
Once again VAR throws up more questions than it answers.

The lack of lines for our disallowed goal was weird. It looked very close to the naked eye. What are we meant to think?

There again, VAR decided to freeze the frame at a lovely point for our second goal. I'm not sure that the ball was anywhere near being released. If they'd taken the next frame Joey would have been a yard offside! But would the next frame have told the whole story too? This is the problem. They spend all this time drawing lines (when they can be arsed) to allow them to make the right decision to a millimetre and yet they don't have cameras sophisticated enough to accurately freeze on moving action. Someone told me a while back that they have cameras that run at 300 frames per second, but I reckon that's bullshit.

Also Piglet from the Villa fansite also tells me that Diaz should have been sent off. Says it was like the 'tackle' on Gravenberch in the League Cup Final.
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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee & Shite Referees in General
« Reply #25933 on: May 13, 2024, 11:32:30 pm »
Once again VAR throws up more questions than it answers.

The lack of lines for our disallowed goal was weird. It looked very close to the naked eye. What are we meant to think?

There again, VAR decided to freeze the frame at a lovely point for our second goal. I'm not sure that the ball was anywhere near being released. If they'd taken the next frame Joey would have been a yard offside! But would the next frame have told the whole story too? This is the problem. They spend all this time drawing lines (when they can be arsed) to allow them to make the right decision to a millimetre and yet they don't have cameras sophisticated enough to accurately freeze on moving action. Someone told me a while back that they have cameras that run at 300 frames per second, but I reckon that's bullshit.

Also Piglet from the Villa fansite also tells me that Diaz should have been sent off. Says it was like the 'tackle' on Gravenberch in the League Cup Final.

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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee & Shite Referees in General
« Reply #25934 on: May 13, 2024, 11:40:47 pm »
Once again VAR throws up more questions than it answers.

The lack of lines for our disallowed goal was weird. It looked very close to the naked eye. What are we meant to think?

There again, VAR decided to freeze the frame at a lovely point for our second goal. I'm not sure that the ball was anywhere near being released. If they'd taken the next frame Joey would have been a yard offside! But would the next frame have told the whole story too? This is the problem. They spend all this time drawing lines (when they can be arsed) to allow them to make the right decision to a millimetre and yet they don't have cameras sophisticated enough to accurately freeze on moving action. Someone told me a while back that they have cameras that run at 300 frames per second, but I reckon that's bullshit.

Also Piglet from the Villa fansite also tells me that Diaz should have been sent off. Says it was like the 'tackle' on Gravenberch in the League Cup Final.

The thing is for all the disruption VAR has gone with the onfield decision on all of them. If it wasn't there then I don't think there's any complains with the decisions, they were all tight and the game would be a lot better for not having all the interruptions. Instead it spoils the game and you're left wondering about the transparency.
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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee & Shite Referees in General
« Reply #25935 on: May 13, 2024, 11:52:29 pm »
One more match to go. Then next season with Jurgen gone we'll get all the calls.











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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee & Shite Referees in General
« Reply #25936 on: May 13, 2024, 11:56:16 pm »
But surely the lines are out there somewhere?
If the decision was made by VAR, they are there?
I'm just keen to see if Diaz was on/off for the Elliott goal. That would have made it 4-1.
The last time there were no lines shown was the Diaz goal v spurs, hence my distrust.

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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee & Shite Referees in General
« Reply #25937 on: May 14, 2024, 12:00:38 am »
Once again VAR throws up more questions than it answers.

The lack of lines for our disallowed goal was weird. It looked very close to the naked eye. What are we meant to think?

There again, VAR decided to freeze the frame at a lovely point for our second goal. I'm not sure that the ball was anywhere near being released. If they'd taken the next frame Joey would have been a yard offside! But would the next frame have told the whole story too? This is the problem. They spend all this time drawing lines (when they can be arsed) to allow them to make the right decision to a millimetre and yet they don't have cameras sophisticated enough to accurately freeze on moving action. Someone told me a while back that they have cameras that run at 300 frames per second, but I reckon that's bullshit.

Also Piglet from the Villa fansite also tells me that Diaz should have been sent off. Says it was like the 'tackle' on Gravenberch in the League Cup Final.

The 300 fps cameras are definitely bullshit. I keep saying that the measurement has a huge error, and a lot of that is from the time mark. The error should be half the difference between frames; that should be the width of the lines, not some hair-sized lines. And if the lines overlap, advantage attacker.

By the way, they didn't show any lines on their deflected goal either. I thought that was offside. I'm not sure if our disallowed goal was or was not offside; the frozen frame they chose implied offside. But considering the above, was it?

Edit: (hopefully the images comes through this time) Whi were the lines not shown for this?
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« Reply #25938 on: May 14, 2024, 07:10:15 am »
I thought he looked off on their deflected goal, was tight but his foot looked ahead of virg

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« Reply #25939 on: May 14, 2024, 11:26:29 am »
I thought he looked off on their deflected goal, was tight but his foot looked ahead of virg

Definitely, Claire. And absolutely no replay or lines.

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« Reply #25940 on: May 14, 2024, 03:02:30 pm »
I wondered at the time whether it had hit his hand too, but not seen a still to see if it was hand or knee.

I also thought the pull back on Salah 30 seconds before there second(?) goal was an obvious foul.

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« Reply #25941 on: May 14, 2024, 03:23:24 pm »
Bizarre how our goal had the full 5 minute VAR fuck about but theirs didn’t.

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« Reply #25942 on: May 14, 2024, 03:45:32 pm »
I wondered at the time whether it had hit his hand too, but not seen a still to see if it was hand or knee.

I also thought the pull back on Salah 30 seconds before there second(?) goal was an obvious foul.

Constant whinging about the drop ball at Forest, yet fuck all was said about that blatant foul.
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« Reply #25943 on: May 14, 2024, 04:01:51 pm »


they haven't used the other angle they showed on the telly in the highlights. There was a zoomed in view and you could see his feet and they looked in front of Virgil.

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« Reply #25944 on: May 14, 2024, 04:16:11 pm »
Constant whinging about the drop ball at Forest, yet fuck all was said about that blatant foul.

The thing is, if we get that foul - we likely don't concede.

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« Reply #25945 on: May 14, 2024, 04:45:55 pm »
If the game finishes 3-3 and there's no VAR or the constant interruptions then i'd have no issue with any of the goals, even if one of Villa's looked slightly off it's still tight. It's one of those games where there's no real controversy about the decisions (pre-VAR) and you don't look that much into it.

But Villa's equaliser does look technically offside. Objective technology has to see that. Have we seen a proper graphic of it to show the green? It's basically cheating if it was offside but not chalked off. Even one of out disallowed ones looked really tight.
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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee & Shite Referees in General
« Reply #25946 on: May 15, 2024, 05:45:54 pm »
Sounds like there’s going to be a vote to bin off VAR, starting immediately next season  :lickin
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« Reply #25947 on: May 15, 2024, 05:46:47 pm »
Vote at the AGM next month whether to keep or scrap VAR in the PL next season

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« Reply #25948 on: May 15, 2024, 05:48:52 pm »
Its definitely getting binned and officials will take it as some kind of victory for their level of ability

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« Reply #25949 on: May 15, 2024, 05:50:25 pm »
Wonder how Forest will vote.

Jokes aside, it's the easiest way for betting influence to access the game.  Bin it off and let's get back to lambasting refs for making shocking off-side decisions.
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« Reply #25950 on: May 15, 2024, 05:53:07 pm »
Get rid of it
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« Reply #25951 on: May 15, 2024, 05:54:37 pm »
If for no other reason than I want to be able to celebrate goals again, please please bin it

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« Reply #25952 on: May 15, 2024, 05:54:37 pm »
Vote at the AGM next month whether to keep or scrap VAR in the PL next season

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« Reply #25953 on: May 15, 2024, 05:58:25 pm »
I'd get rid of it too. There are too many outstanding questions about what the technology is capable of doing. More now, in fact, than there were before the system was brought in.

But it will be interesting to see how supporters react when blatant offsides aren't awarded and obvious hand balls are missed. I reckon many fans will start to judge the absence of VAR with VAR at its best and be disgusted.

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« Reply #25954 on: May 15, 2024, 06:01:13 pm »
Bin it off.

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« Reply #25955 on: May 15, 2024, 06:02:13 pm »
Very easy to sit here and say 'keep it only for things that are clear and obvious' but those waters are so muddy it is really impossible to draw the line. You either get rid of it or you don't.

I'd vote to get rid of it. No question. It has ruined the enjoyment of the game for me.

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« Reply #25956 on: May 15, 2024, 06:06:14 pm »
As much as I do want it gone (if only to actually celebrate goals properly again), it’s still only half the job fixed if the current gang of refereeing cronies (and the one at the very top) are still employed.

In fact it’ll probably make them worse, somehow.
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« Reply #25957 on: May 15, 2024, 06:07:12 pm »
I thought semi-automated VAR technology is coming in next season? They'd hardly bin it now?
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« Reply #25959 on: May 15, 2024, 06:09:44 pm »
I thought semi-automated VAR technology is coming in next season? They'd hardly bin it now?

Isn't that just for offsides?