Topic: VAR! Video Assistant Referee & Shite Referees in General

[RyanBabel19]

Yay the refereeing gods have now decided that a touch on the ball doesn't mean anything if you foul in the box

[masher]

It was an even game till Arsenal were given the penalty. Lamptey got the ball and yet it’s a foul, WTF

[Zimagic]

Wolves been fucked over again?

Yep, horrible decision. Worse than ours with Endo. Insanity.

[crewlove]

I don't think it was a bad decision against Brighton. Lamptey touched the ball but it's hard to say he won it. Despite that the problem is that two weeks ago we heard that it's okay to attack somebody if you had a touch on the ball.

With Gvardiol I think they've been lenient about that since VAR's coming in. Still a bearhug but wasn't specifically surprised with the decision. Especially when Tierney wasn't going to give it in real time. Still, on one hand we have Webb talking about high bar for potential reviews and on other hand we have VAR interventions like one with penalty on Mudryk last week. I just don't know and don't understand what is a foul and what is not in this league.

[RyanBabel19]

I don't think it was a bad decision against Brighton. Lamptey touched the ball but it's hard to say he won it. Despite that the problem is that two weeks ago we heard that it's okay to attack somebody if you had a touch on the ball.

With Gvardiol I think they've been lenient about that since VAR's coming in. Still a bearhug but wasn't specifically surprised with the decision. Especially when Tierney wasn't going to give it in real time. Still, on one hand we have Webb talking about high bar for potential reviews and on other hand we have VAR interventions like one with penalty on Mudryk last week. I just don't know and don't understand what is a foul and what is not in this league.

The issue is the same as always, no consistency.

Doku got a touch on the ball and that's why it wasn't a pen
Lamptey, got a touch on the ball... doesn't matter

[Redley]

Getting decisions we should get would have put us far clear. If we got decisions that we shouldn’t get, like Abu Dhabi and VARsenal did today, we’d have wrapped the title up already. Absolutely scandalous how this title race has been influenced by officials

[rafathegaffa83]

Getting decisions we should get would have put us far clear. If we got decisions that we shouldn’t get, like Abu Dhabi and VARsenal did today, we’d have wrapped the title up already. Absolutely scandalous how this title race has been influenced by officials

Absolutely.  We should have had a nice cushion to work with at this stage. Scandalous how Arsenal get away with their antics game after game without a peep out of the media

[MH41]

Absolutely.  We should have had a nice cushion to work with at this stage. Scandalous how Arsenal get away with their antics game after game without a peep out of the media

I agree. A lot of these decisions are memorable. Some have been forgotten about.

I recalled today how much we were messed around in the arsenal league match.

Still can't believe how the Martinelli goal (to make it 2-1,) was allowed to stand.

The only reason he was able to slot home into an empty net, was because his clear shove on VVD, meant Álisson looks as if he has made a mess, when the reality is he has had to adjust from clearing the ball to safety, to unexpectedly having to adjust and try to clear the ball and catch VVD at the same time.

It's a clear foul. And at a time when we were in the ascendancy in the match.
It's really worth another look. It's a clear foul. It's disgraceful.

[Robinred]

Wolves been fucked over again?

Indeed. Just watched MOTD, and Gary O’Neil was extremely circumspect. But he was correct - the decision to deny the equaliser was inexplicable. The standard of refereeing under PGMOL is in the toilet. I think I can guarantee that we will all witness superior officiating in this coming week’s European ties.

[GreatEx]

I thought the Arsenal penalty was the correct call.

For the Wolves disallowed goal, I haven't seen a replay angle that shows the alignment of ball, keeper and offside attacker. If they were approximately aligned, then it would seem to be a correct decision, even if it feels harsh.

Edit: here it is. Looks a correct call to me

[farawayred]

^^^ I think it's the correct call too, but I hate the rule. A player in line between the keeper and the ball should not be punished if not playing. If he pushes the keeper and prevents him from moving toward the ball, than yes, but this guy is a yard in front of the keeper.

Grey line...

[GreatEx]

Yeah I agree it's harsh, but a necessary rule... imagine if Newcastle tasked Dan Burn with standing a couple of feet in front of Kelleher/Ali and moving side to side to block his view of play... not really in the spirit of the game (such as it is these days)

[farawayred]

Yeah I agree it's harsh, but a necessary rule... imagine if Newcastle tasked Dan Burn with standing a couple of feet in front of Kelleher/Ali and moving side to side to block his view of play... not really in the spirit of the game (such as it is these days)

Well yeah, the moving would be a problem. That would mean that the player is actively participating in the play. But I saw the play live and it didn't seem to be the case. Could be wrong though...

[spider-neil]

It was an even game till Arsenal were given the penalty. Lamptey got the ball and yet it’s a foul, WTF

Yet Doku gets the ball (he didn't) and it's not a foul. VAR doesn't know whether they are coming or going.

[spider-neil]

Osula’s two footed scissor tackle on Konate on 67' - https://twitter.com/matthewscarb/status/1775987965992292410? (40 second video; best angles at the end)

^ referee Atwell seemed to only interested in letting people know it wasn't a penalty... and nothing on the Osula's lunge at Konate. No VAR review it seems, either.


Edit: here too https://twitter.com/MrBDK_YT/status/1775991106318045363

The ref as a clear view of that dangerous tackle and doesn't call a foul. Oliver has a clear view of a chest-high challenge with studs showing and doesn't call a foul. Gravenberch has a horrible challenge on his ankle. VAR see all three incidents and do nothing.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

I thought the Arsenal penalty was the correct call.

For the Wolves disallowed goal, I haven't seen a replay angle that shows the alignment of ball, keeper and offside attacker. If they were approximately aligned, then it would seem to be a correct decision, even if it feels harsh.

Edit: here it is. Looks a correct call to me

The thing that makes this a ridiculous decision in my view is that there is just absolutely no way Fabianskj is ever saving that header. Yes someone is in his way, but it's from five yards out and is bulleted into the corner. There is no goalkeeper in the world that is going to get near it, so has he really been interfered with?

[Devastatin' Dave]

Don’t really get the frustration with the Wolves decision. The player is right in-front of the keeper in an offside position.

The same football people complaining about the decision are the same that say “if he’s not interfering with play what is he doing on the pitch”.

[JRed]

You might not agree with the rule, but if a player is offside and in keepers line of vision, which he was, then it’s ruled out. Hardly the ‘worst decision I’ve ever seen’ as the wolves manager said.

[rob1966]

The thing that makes this a ridiculous decision in my view is that there is just absolutely no way Fabianskj is ever saving that header. Yes someone is in his way, but it's from five yards out and is bulleted into the corner. There is no goalkeeper in the world that is going to get near it, so has he really been interfered with?

Needs a law change. This was said when Harvey's goal was disallowed when Mo was pushed offside, the keeper was never getting it, so why disallow it.

If you wanna see harsh, look under the old laws, seen 1 vid of Kevin Sheedy scoring an absolute screamer of a volley and it got disallowed as someone was stood offside about 10 yards to the left of the keeper

[thejbs]

The thing that makes this a ridiculous decision in my view is that there is just absolutely no way Fabianskj is ever saving that header. Yes someone is in his way, but it's from five yards out and is bulleted into the corner. There is no goalkeeper in the world that is going to get near it, so has he really been interfered with?

Exactly my thoughts on it. But would say that it was still the correct decision as the laws stand. But with the refs we have, could you trust them with more subjectivity.

[Kloppage Time]

Thread on Red Cafe about how Anthony Taylor favours other teams when he officiates Man U games in order to cancel out any perceived bias, the records seem to agree with that idea.

problem might occur when he refs Uniteds rivals when he can then be a little biased against those teams

[DelTrotter]

Thread on Red Cafe about how Anthony Taylor favours other teams when he officiates Man U games in order to cancel out any perceived bias, the records seem to agree with that idea.

Yep, defo felt favoured when he was ignoring Ronaldo kicking Jones, Fernandes assaulting Jones, Maguire hauling Jota down when through on goal and an attempt by Pogba to end Keita's career hehe. (though VAR finally corrected him on the latter one)

[Kloppage Time]

Yep, defo felt favoured when he was ignoring Ronaldo kicking Jones, Fernandes assaulting Jones, Maguire hauling Jota down when through on goal and an attempt by Pogba to end Keita's career hehe. (though VAR finally corrected him on the latter one)

Yeah, I imagine it might be different in games against us, the feeling is too strong, (there's a song there I think)

[rob1966]

Yeah, I imagine it might be different in games against us, the feeling is too strong, (there's a song there I think)

Or a film set in space with a little green puppet

[Pistolero]

Why would any Liverpool fan be on Red Cafe?....

[Schmidt]

Needs a law change. This was said when Harvey's goal was disallowed when Mo was pushed offside, the keeper was never getting it, so why disallow it.

If you wanna see harsh, look under the old laws, seen 1 vid of Kevin Sheedy scoring an absolute screamer of a volley and it got disallowed as someone was stood offside about 10 yards to the left of the keeper

"Can the keeper get to it?" is an extremely subjective question to add to the rules. The last thing we need is more subjective calls for officials to make, as it'll just add even more inconsistency and abuse.

[Kloppage Time]

Why would any Liverpool fan be on Red Cafe?....

It's actually a very good forum, whilst I'm not a member and don't post I find the debate there rather decent.
Blue moon on the other hand is bordering on insane.
My son complains when I watch Fox news, I tell him to be informed you need to listen to both sides regardless of whether you agree with them or not, their opinion is generally legitimate.
Rawk is akin to Facebook et al, you are fed biased opinions which then feed your bias, unless you broaden your search and get the other sides perspective you will continue to live in a bubble which while probably ok in Sport (this however is exactly the type of behavior that feeds hate chants etc) politically it can be dangerous, and we live I believe in dangerous times
Sorry ...you did ask!

[thejbs]

The non-footballing threads are actually startlingly similar to some on here.

[Hazell]

Absolutely.  We should have had a nice cushion to work with at this stage. Scandalous how Arsenal get away with their antics game after game without a peep out of the media

Hate the way this has crept into the game generally but Arsenal have taken it to a whole new level.

[FlashGordon]

It's actually a very good forum, whilst I'm not a member and don't post I find the debate there rather decent.
Blue moon on the other hand is bordering on insane.
My son complains when I watch Fox news, I tell him to be informed you need to listen to both sides regardless of whether you agree with them or not, their opinion is generally legitimate.
Rawk is akin to Facebook et al, you are fed biased opinions which then feed your bias, unless you broaden your search and get the other sides perspective you will continue to live in a bubble which while probably ok in Sport (this however is exactly the type of behavior that feeds hate chants etc) politically it can be dangerous, and we live I believe in dangerous times
Sorry ...you did ask!

So let me get this right. The fanbase that tragedy chant en masse, their largest forum is not a bubble which is why you read it. Forums that are bubbles lead to tragedy chanting, but theirs isn't a bubble, even though 40000 of them will be tragedy chanting today.

The fanbase that don't tragedy chant en masse, their largest forum is a bubble. Again forums that are bubbles lead to tragedy chanting and theirs is a bubble, but there will be no tragedy chanting en masse from thier fanbase.

Make it make sense? Oh you watch Fox News, carry on.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Thread on Red Cafe about how Anthony Taylor favours other teams when he officiates Man U games in order to cancel out any perceived bias, the records seem to agree with that idea.

problem might occur when he refs Uniteds rivals when he can then be a little biased against those teams

In the 5-0 he didn't send Pogba off. he didn't send Ronaldo off. He let their players kick fuck out of us for 90 minutes and was as bent as they come.

'But.. but... but.. but.. but... we won 5-0 which means that he couldn't have been fucking bent."

He rarely gives anything bad or good for us - he just ignores shit like the handball in the first game of the season.


You might as well get an elephant to have a huge shit, put it in a bucket then pour it onto the pitch on the halfway line and put a PGMOL shirt and some cards on it for all the good his does in games.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

It's actually a very good forum, whilst I'm not a member and don't post I find the debate there rather decent.
Blue moon on the other hand is bordering on insane.
My son complains when I watch Fox news, I tell him to be informed you need to listen to both sides regardless of whether you agree with them or not, their opinion is generally legitimate.
Rawk is akin to Facebook et al, you are fed biased opinions which then feed your bias, unless you broaden your search and get the other sides perspective you will continue to live in a bubble which while probably ok in Sport (this however is exactly the type of behavior that feeds hate chants etc) politically it can be dangerous, and we live I believe in dangerous times
Sorry ...you did ask!

The fuck it is, sick fucking place.

[John C]

It's actually a very good forum, whilst I'm not a member and don't post I find the debate there rather decent.
Blue moon on the other hand is bordering on insane.
My son complains when I watch Fox news, I tell him to be informed you need to listen to both sides regardless of whether you agree with them or not, their opinion is generally legitimate.
Rawk is akin to Facebook et al, you are fed biased opinions which then feed your bias, unless you broaden your search and get the other sides perspective you will continue to live in a bubble which while probably ok in Sport (this however is exactly the type of behavior that feeds hate chants etc) politically it can be dangerous, and we live I believe in dangerous times
Sorry ...you did ask!

I think I'm fairly happy in my LFC and left-wing bubble. Everything else is a load of bullshit 

[Dim Glas]

It's actually a very good forum, whilst I'm not a member and don't post I find the debate there rather decent.
Blue moon on the other hand is bordering on insane.
My son complains when I watch Fox news, I tell him to be informed you need to listen to both sides regardless of whether you agree with them or not, their opinion is generally legitimate.
Rawk is akin to Facebook et al, you are fed biased opinions which then feed your bias, unless you broaden your search and get the other sides perspective you will continue to live in a bubble which while probably ok in Sport (this however is exactly the type of behavior that feeds hate chants etc) politically it can be dangerous, and we live I believe in dangerous times
Sorry ...you did ask!

yikes!

The red cafe one fine, whatever rocks your boat - there’s some absolute dreadful Liverpool ‘fans’ on there, so it seems plenty of oppo fans love the place.

but fox news? Legitimate? As if you need to choose to watch that to be informed. Come on!

Also what’s with that arrogant nonsense I’ve bolded? You think people are here and ONLY here?

That’s a crackers post

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Missed that he watches fox news, don't need me to explain why that pisses me off no end.

Won't be getting banned for him though.

[[new username under construction]]

I mean, sit down and think of the dumbest shit you can think of for an hour and you've basically done the same as watching Fox news for an hour

[FlashGordon]

I mean, sit down and think of the dumbest shit you can think of for an hour and you've basically done the same as watching Fox news for an hour

Nah if you actually watch a clip from there it's dumber than you're capable of conjuring up yourself.

[rob1966]

To put this into perspective, my Manc, been everywhere with Utd, seen them win everything, brother in law, thinks Redcafe is fucking shite full of knobheads.

[Legs]

Taylor lets foul after foul go City v Arsenal.

Bradley booked 6 mins in.

Yeah good one.

[smicer07]

Taylor lets foul after foul go City v Arsenal.

Bradley booked 6 mins in.

Yeah good one.

That was predictable.