Topic: Watford

[stoopid yank]

I think it took this forum about 3 years to get over how much ye hated Hodgson. certainly warmer towards him now

Shocked that you, and English fans in general, didn't realize what an absolute fraud he is after the 2014 World Cup. What was it, worst England national team finish in
64 plus years?

[Crosby Nick]

Shocked that you, and English fans in general, didn't realize what an absolute fraud he is after the 2014 World Cup. What was it, worst England national team finish in
64 plus years?

Technically we were worse in 94, 78 and 74 when we didn’t qualify.

[stoopid yank]

Technically we were worse in 94, 78 and 74 when we didn’t qualify.

Not really apples to apples back then was it though? Wasn't it much harder to qualify before they expanded the field? Those teams, unlike Roy,  didn't have the likes of Moldova, Montenegro, San Marino, etc to qualify?

[Vinay]

Are Watford going down? What do you reckon?

[Crosby Nick]

Not really apples to apples back then was it though? Wasn't it much harder to qualify before they expanded the field? Those teams, unlike Roy,  didn't have the likes of Moldova, Montenegro, San Marino, etc to qualify?

True. It was certainly England’s earliest exit at a World Cup (out after 2 matches!).

Hard to know who will go down. Actually think Burnley are in trouble given their small squad and fixture pile up. All the others have shown signs of life. Everton and Brentford I think could still get sucked into trouble if results go against them. Think Leeds will be ok.

[John C]

A reluctant, well actually a fervent 'Good Luck Roy' from me.

Get them points, get them above Newcastle, force Newcastle's relegation. That's the 2nd most important thing to emerge from this season behind Liverpool's success.

[disgraced cake]

A reluctant, well actually a fervent 'Good Luck Roy' from me.

Get them points, get them above Newcastle, force Newcastle's relegation. That's the 2nd most important thing to emerge from this season behind Liverpool's success.

The only one I care about going down is Everton. Newcastle would be a bonus but I don't think it really matters either way because if they don't go down now we'll never see the back of them anyway, if they do there's no chance they stay down there for long.

[newterp]

Woeford

[SamLad]

have they officially changed their badge to say WTF yet?

[Sangria]

The Premier League teams queueing up to beat on Watford.

https://twitter.com/TrollFootball/status/1486094392486404101

[ToneLa]

[Morgana]

Shocking that. Those are pretty high level jobs that they’re expecting lowly slaves to do. I’d imagine the people doing those jobs at the Top 10 clubs are on at least 50 grand a year. Minimum.

[Drinks Sangria]

Shocking that. Those are pretty high level jobs that they’re expecting lowly slaves to do. I’d imagine the people doing those jobs at the Top 10 clubs are on at least 50 grand a year. Minimum.

Horrendous. Two of those roles literally require degrees to do at almost every other pro club in the top two divisions.

Salary wise you're probably looking at £60k at the bottom end and upwards of £250k for department heads in analyst roles.

[Morgana]

Horrendous. Two of those roles literally require degrees to do at almost every other pro club in the top two divisions.

Salary wise you're probably looking at £60k at the bottom end and upwards of £250k for department heads in analyst roles.

Crickey. With all my degrees I am grossly underpaid! 

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Shocking that. Those are pretty high level jobs that they’re expecting lowly slaves to do. I’d imagine the people doing those jobs at the Top 10 clubs are on at least 50 grand a year. Minimum.

They'll still have paid staff in these roles, the interns will just be to help them. Pretty much every club outside of the PL does it and a fair few in the PL will too.

It stinks but it's not just a Watford thing. Unfortunately there are an ever growing number of people graduating from university that want to work in these fields and will grab the chance to get the experience, hoping for something at the end of it. All they'll get though is a thank you, and new interns will be secured.

[thejbs]

They'll still have paid staff in these roles, the interns will just be to help them. Pretty much every club outside of the PL does it and a fair few in the PL will too.

It stinks but it's not just a Watford thing. Unfortunately there are an ever growing number of people graduating from university that want to work in these fields and will grab the chance to get the experience, hoping for something at the end of it. All they'll get though is a thank you, and new interns will be secured.

The main issue with unpaid internships is that they perpetuate privilege and inequality. Unpaid interns will be drain from a comfortable, if not wealthy, background. It’s a shite state of affairs, Tommy.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

The main issue with unpaid internships is that they perpetuate privilege and inequality. Unpaid interns will be drain from a comfortable, if not wealthy, background. It’s a shite state of affairs, Tommy.

Not really. People taking these internships will be recent graduates that will want to work in the industry but that can currently only do so by working unpaid for several years. They'll likely be living at home with their parents, or will be renting whilst sill working part time in a supermarket or wherever.

Take the analyst role as an example. Every year there will be thousands of graduates who want to become an analyst at a football club, but they'll all be met with only two types of job adverts - 1 for an unpaid internship, or 1 for a paid role that is asking for 3+ years experience. So at that point they either need to take an unpaid role, continue in education for no real benefit, or work in a different industry rendering their degree pretty much irrelevant and a waste of money.

[El Lobo]

Odd to see a team from Watford thinking they’re good at playing like peak Atletico, constant shithousery and faking injury after every tackle

[rafathegaffa83]

The main issue with unpaid internships is that they perpetuate privilege and inequality. Unpaid interns will be drain from a comfortable, if not wealthy, background.

Yep. It's absolutely wrong.

[Drinks Sangria]

Not really. People taking these internships will be recent graduates that will want to work in the industry but that can currently only do so by working unpaid for several years. They'll likely be living at home with their parents, or will be renting whilst sill working part time in a supermarket or wherever.

Take the analyst role as an example. Every year there will be thousands of graduates who want to become an analyst at a football club, but they'll all be met with only two types of job adverts - 1 for an unpaid internship, or 1 for a paid role that is asking for 3+ years experience. So at that point they either need to take an unpaid role, continue in education for no real benefit, or work in a different industry rendering their degree pretty much irrelevant and a waste of money.

Whilst there's not a lot that is wrong in this post, I disagree with the stance that these sort of internships are fair and equitable. It's massively narrowing down the amount of people who could take that type of job - wealthy family's Child A could be far worse as an analyst than single parent Child B. B's brighter, more suited, performed better in education but can't even apply because their parent can't pay for their flat while they're in Watford for three years.

It just creates further opportunity for people from wealthier and more privileged socio-economic backgrounds and reinforces class structures. Watford are getting a service, just like all these massive companies who use unpaid internships. It has the knock on effect of deterring the able and the qualified away from their wanted industries and areas of expertise because they didn't win the birth lottery and pop out of a wealthier hole.

The point is people shouldn't need to take an unpaid role when they have the qualifications and the company is getting a service from them.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Whilst there's not a lot that is wrong in this post, I disagree with the stance that these sort of internships are fair and equitable. It's massively narrowing down the amount of people who could take that type of job - wealthy family's Child A could be far worse as an analyst than single parent Child B. B's brighter, more suited, performed better in education but can't even apply because their parent can't pay for their flat while they're in Watford for three years.

It just creates further opportunity for people from wealthier and more privileged socio-economic backgrounds and reinforces class structures. Watford are getting a service, just like all these massive companies who use unpaid internships. It has the knock on effect of deterring the able and the qualified away from their wanted industries and areas of expertise because they didn't win the birth lottery and pop out of a wealthier hole.

The point is people shouldn't need to take an unpaid role when they have the qualifications and the company is getting a service from them.

That is absolutely not my stance. Not in any way, shape or form. I've literally said that unpaid roles like this stink - it's incredibly wrong and is taking advantage of people.

[Drinks Sangria]

That is absolutely not my stance. Not in any way, shape or form. I've literally said that unpaid roles like this stink - it's incredibly wrong and is taking advantage of people.

I'm not having a go at you and I'm glad you think that way, I just don't understand what the 'not really' part of your post is referring to in the post you highlighted, it seemed on the face of it to be dismissing the state of internships such as that.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

I'm not having a go at you and I'm glad you think that way, I just don't understand what the 'not really' part of your post is referring to in the post you highlighted, it seemed on the face of it to be dismissing the state of internships such as that.

I've been involved in this sort of thing and I'd say the majority of people taking up the internships are from a working class, or at best middle-class background. People absolutely desperate to work in football and that are willing to work alongside their internship so that they can afford to live, or that do a masters at the same time so they can continue to get loans/grants. Then they just get thrown to the curb after 12 months and replaced by others.

I'm not doubting that there will be people who simply can't apply for the position because of their circumstances, but I don't think that means that those who do apply do so because they're affluent.

[ToneLa]

My company pays its interns

We aren't as rich as Watford.

[rushyman]

I must say Watford are now mid table stuff.

Roy’s not done too bad

I’d be concerned about them now over Burnley if I was an Everton fan

[Black Bull Nova]

I must say Watford are now mid table stuff.

Roy’s not done too bad

I’d be concerned about them now over Burnley if I was an Everton fan

They have probably left it too late but they look quite solid now which, to be fair, is Hodgson's strength. He can make a pig's ear from a silk purse but he can also make pork scratchings from a pig's ear.


Unfortunately they have some stinking games left but their next three home games are Leeds, Brentford and Burnley so they will be playing their part. I thought Brentford would be the one to get sucked in but Eriksen has revitalised them. It's down to Everton and Burnley now excepting those games above may either bring Watford clear or suck Leeds back in.

[RedG13]

Not really. People taking these internships will be recent graduates that will want to work in the industry but that can currently only do so by working unpaid for several years. They'll likely be living at home with their parents, or will be renting whilst sill working part time in a supermarket or wherever.

Take the analyst role as an example. Every year there will be thousands of graduates who want to become an analyst at a football club, but they'll all be met with only two types of job adverts - 1 for an unpaid internship, or 1 for a paid role that is asking for 3+ years experience. So at that point they either need to take an unpaid role, continue in education for no real benefit, or work in a different industry rendering their degree pretty much irrelevant and a waste of money.

You can Paid Interns. They have Bills to pay also. Most ppl dont have a family to pay for food, rent, in another city. Also Watford has more then enough money to pay them also.

[PeterTheRed ...]

I must say Watford are now mid table stuff.

Roy’s not done too bad

I’d be concerned about them now over Burnley if I was an Everton fan

The Owl certainly knows how to organize his team. If they improve their home form over the coming weeks, they can easilly stay up, with Everton and Burnley going down ...

[rob1966]

Could do with these getting something from City - they likely won't, but they will at least give them a game.

[Morgana]

Could do with these getting something from City - they likely won't, but they will at least give them a game.

If they show up and graft like they did in the first 25 minutes yesterday (but take their chances) they can definitely steal a point off City.  It's these unexpected teams, especially when they're fighting for something,  that usually topple City.

The Owl certainly knows how to organize his team. If they improve their home form over the coming weeks, they can easilly stay up, with Everton and Burnley going down ...

Burnley absolutely deserve it.

[Fromola]

I must say Watford are now mid table stuff.

Roy’s not done too bad

I’d be concerned about them now over Burnley if I was an Everton fan

They've been ok away but lost 8 on the spin at home. He's done  a reasonable job but more than that and it would be Everton in the bottom 3.

His points to game not been good enough yet to get them out of it. They were 2 points from safety when he took over.

If he did keep them up at Everton's expense then his face can dawn flags on the Kop with our managerial greats.

[RedSamba]

Could do with these getting something from City - they likely won't, but they will at least give them a game.

they will be 2 down in the first 15 minutes

[Fromola]

Could do with these getting something from City - they likely won't, but they will at least give them a game.

The one team with a worse record against them than Burnley.

05 Jan 2013   Manchester City v Watford   W   3-0   FA Cup
25 Jan 2014   Manchester City v Watford   W   4-2   FA Cup
29 Aug 2015   Manchester City v Watford   W   2-0   Premier League
02 Jan 2016   Watford v Manchester City   W   1-2   Premier League
14 Dec 2016   Manchester City v Watford   W   2-0   Premier League
21 May 2017   Watford v Manchester City   W   0-5   Premier League
16 Sep 2017   Watford v Manchester City   W   0-6   Premier League
02 Jan 2018   Manchester City v Watford   W   3-1   Premier League
04 Dec 2018   Watford v Manchester City   W   1-2   Premier League
09 Mar 2019   Manchester City v Watford   W   3-1   Premier League
18 May 2019   Manchester City v Watford   W   6-0   FA Cup
21 Sep 2019   Manchester City v Watford   W   8-0   Premier League
21 Jul 2020   Watford v Manchester City   W   0-4   Premier League
04 Dec 2021   Watford v Manchester City   W   1-3   Premier League

[El Lobo]

Yeah I think the only chance they’d have would be almost literally putting nine men in the 18 yard box and leaving Sarr on his own and hope he can beat their whole team for a goal and then chance the nine to ten

[12C]

They'll still have paid staff in these roles, the interns will just be to help them. Pretty much every club outside of the PL does it and a fair few in the PL will too.

It stinks but it's not just a Watford thing. Unfortunately there are an ever growing number of people graduating from university that want to work in these fields and will grab the chance to get the experience, hoping for something at the end of it. All they'll get though is a thank you, and new interns will be secured.

And the only people who can afford these jobs are those with money behind them. Gets you a better class of slave.
This is what has happened in journalism. All the Giles and Cressidas, Cassandra’s and Ruperts, unable to cope in the real world have been bankrolled in unpaid internships by Mater and Pater, in “journalism”. One only has to look at some of the shite articles that “columnists” in the Telegraph and the Times churn out. There was a piece last Autumn about how journalism is now the profession with the most privileged background. Journalists now tend to come from wealthy, privately educated  backgrounds. More so than the law or medicine.

[No666]

And the only people who can afford these jobs are those with money behind them. Gets you a better class of slave.
This is what has happened in journalism. All the Giles and Cressidas, Cassandra’s and Ruperts, unable to cope in the real world have been bankrolled in unpaid internships by Mater and Pater, in “journalism”. One only has to look at some of the shite articles that “columnists” in the Telegraph and the Times churn out. There was a piece last Autumn about how journalism is now the profession with the most privileged background. Journalists now tend to come from wealthy, privately educated  backgrounds. More so than the law or medicine.

Same with theatre. You can't be working class and work as an assistant director for nothing.

[12C]

Same with theatre. You can't be working class and work as an assistant director for nothing.

Times where when the upper classes used to sent their spare children into politics the church or the army, now they are spreading their dullard offspring into well paid jobs where their lack of intelligence is masked.

[Ghost Town]

Times where when the upper classes used to sent their spare children into politics the church or the army, now they are spreading their dullard offspring into well paid jobs where their lack of intelligence is masked.

Think it's as bit more considered and cynical than that. Journalism shapes the thoughts of the nation. The privileged classes have had enough of any old oik having a direct line into the nation's thoughts. They're cornering it for themselves again.

Er, back on topic: go Watford! Produce a great escape like your manager produces pellets

[Garlicbread]

https://twitter.com/WatfordFC/status/1511682634899988483

[tonysleft]

moves well for his age