Topic: Dejan Lovren

[WhereAngelsPlay]

I've said this before, I would love him at the club in the future in the backroom staff. The guy has a great attitude and brilliant with the other players.

He's been a top player for us  until the last year or so, I don't know if teams have worked him out or its injuries and confidence.
I wish him all the best he's seems a top bloke but he's definately 4th choice now, will never forget that Dortmund goal though.

He wouldn't last 5 minutes on rawk,first mention of Icke and he'd be gone 

[Ginieus]

I've said this before, I would love him at the club in the future in the backroom staff. The guy has a great attitude and brilliant with the other players.

He's been a top player for us  until the last year or so, I don't know if teams have worked him out or its injuries and confidence.
I wish him all the best he's seems a top bloke but he's definitely 4th choice now, will never forget that Dortmund goal though.

Totally agree with this. He's clearly well liked in the dressing room (even after some mistakes) and he has served us well over the years. Lovren has had some spells where he has been fantastic and rightfully in the starting line up.

We all know the standard at Liverpool is getting stronger and stronger and being consistently at the top of your game is now what's needed to make the first 11 week-in week-out. Lovren hasn't been able to do that but that is compliment to where this team is going.

[Legs]

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I know you are joking he was a good defender for us and his CL final performance was incredible but I just think at times he sides up with the pundit too much probably to keep his job.

[Tuco Ramírez]

Lovren, played his part in where we are today...
3 genuine  title  challenges
2 Champions league  Finals
Europa league  Final
League Cup Final
World Club Final

Not a bad 6 years, from the World Cup Finalist... 

[Illmatic]

While he's been much maligned at times often unfairly you have say he's been fairly successful signing overall. 

[aw1991]

I think too much was expected of him. He joined a backline of Moreno, Johnson and Skrtel with an ageing Steven Gerrard anchoring. Not a lot of cover was given to him and he was expected to be pretty much Van Dijk. He improved Klopp joined alongside Matip, who is probably our best CB signing between Hyypia and VVD and at times during the later stages of the previous season looked like our 2nd best defender. He isn't perfect but he got his qualities and he was important in our CL and PL wins. It's the right time for everyone to call it a day and I hope he will be successful in the future.

[El Lobo]

While he's been much maligned at times often unfairly you have say he's been fairly successful signing overall.

He’s been a massively successful signing

[King Kenny 7]

Always liked him, his attitude is/was always positive and he was clearly liked by his fellow team mates.
I think he will be missed and certainly by Mo.
I hope the move works out well for him and will keep an eye on his career.

And that goal is etched in my memory.

Thanks for your service Dejan and welcome back anytime.


YNWA

[Red Impact]

A heap more positives then negatives during his stay ... and a serial finalist/winner!!
Certain moments in time are often extremely powerful and that’s exactly what his goal against Dortmund was for LFC’s push to the future at the time. Thank you/Hvala Dejan 😎👊🏼 for your contribution, YNWA prijatelju.

[classycarra]

If I was to argue he was the best performing centre back at the last world cup, who would the alternatives be in the discussion?

[King Kenny 7]

If I was to argue he was the best performing centre back at the last world cup, who would the alternatives be in the discussion?

Think we'd have to go with Varane!

[classycarra]

Think we'd have to go with Varane!

Strong case, too!

Trying to think if there's any other contenders. It was a great period of form for Lovren.

[Reeves]

He was one of the positions we could improve on, but if we're not buying anyone it's odd moving him on. In isolation this transfer weakens us, so I don't understand it. 

[King Kenny 7]

He was one of the positions we could improve on, but if we're not buying anyone it's odd moving him on. In isolation this transfer weakens us, so I don't understand it.

I presume its as simple as the lad wants to play every week.
He has behaved very well and is a big part of the dressing room but he doesn't want to spend his time on the bench.

Fair play to him.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

He was one of the positions we could improve on, but if we're not buying anyone it's odd moving him on. In isolation this transfer weakens us, so I don't understand it.

It's not odd if you include the human element, he want's to play and Klopp has always obliged with any player who wanted to play regularly. He convinced him to stay one more year last summer as it is.


It's the same reason lallana is going, the same reason Lucas left, the same reason Ings left,etc..

[Oskar]

He was one of the positions we could improve on, but if we're not buying anyone it's odd moving him on. In isolation this transfer weakens us, so I don't understand it.

The window opens tomorrow, it's very possible we will sign another defender.

Or give one of our youngsters an opportunity to make the step up.

[classycarra]

He was one of the positions we could improve on, but if we're not buying anyone it's odd moving him on. In isolation this transfer weakens us, so I don't understand it. 

Do you really think improving on our 4th choice centre back (which would cost a lot of money) is a transfer we should be prioritising right now? Can't say I relate!

Klopp himself has set out pretty clearly many times, including this week, that he doesn't believe in stockpiling squad player

[Henderson19]

The window opens tomorrow, it's very possible we will sign another defender.

Or give one of our youngsters an opportunity to make the step up.

Phillips? Unlikely but anyway.

I always liked Lovren. For a moment there he was one of the best in the world. His passion was something I admired. Good luck to him.

[Reeves]

Do you really think improving on our 4th choice centre back (which would cost a lot of money) is a transfer we should be prioritising right now? Can't say I relate!

No I don't - not at all. Hence I find it out we're selling him. Because now we'll have only three CBs ready for the first team and I think we need 4, particularly as Matip gets injured

[Wilmo]

Never liked the flak he's got from supporters over the years. Always gave his all, cares about the club and the team. The mistakes he's made (and he has made them) have often been from being over-passionate or taking on too much responsibility. I can't criticise a player for being honest and giving himself fully to the cause. It's also easy to forget he has put in some imperious performances for us when we most needed him to. Best of luck Lovren, you will be missed!

[John C]

I've witnessed players, indeed legends like Joey Jones and Ronnie Whelan, criticised for their supposed lack of Liverpool standard ability at points in their careers, but I've never seen the heightened criticism that Dejan Lovren has received from Liverpool followers for many years.

Every footballer makes a mistake in most games, when the strikers best efforts fail completely they're never condemned as a liability. When Dejan made a mistake it was always replayed, reenacted, rebuked and ridiculed. Matip, Gomez and Van Dijk have all made mistakes throughout this wonderful season, indeed Gomez and Van Dijk each made terrible mistakes today. Errors which would have brought heaps of negativity against Dejan.

Dejan Lovren was a cracking servant to Liverpool Football Club, he was involved in more successful campaigns or close achievements to success than other past players that are revered. To name those players would derail the thread.

His injury record was questioned to an extent that hadn't been applied to other past-players to the same degree.

All I can say is thank you Dejan, not just for the goal against Dortmand but for the determination and dedication you gave to my club. I never felt you let me down mate. Good luck.

[Eeyore]

I've witnessed players, indeed legends like Joey Jones and Ronnie Whelan, criticised for their supposed lack of Liverpool standard ability at points in their careers, but I've never seen the heightened criticism that Dejan Lovren has received from Liverpool followers for many years.

Every footballer makes a mistake in most games, when the strikers best efforts fail completely they're never condemned as a liability. When Dejan made a mistake it was always replayed, reenacted, rebuked and ridiculed. Matip, Gomez and Van Dijk have all made mistakes throughout this wonderful season, indeed Gomez and Van Dijk each made terrible mistakes today. Errors which would have brought heaps of negativity against Dejan.

Dejan Lovren was a cracking servant to Liverpool Football Club, he was involved in more successful campaigns or close achievements to success than other past players that are revered. To name those players would derail the thread.

His injury record was questioned to an extent that hadn't been applied to other past-players to the same degree.

All I can say is thank you Dejan, not just for the goal against Dortmand but for the determination and dedication you gave to my club. I never felt you let me down mate. Good luck.

Personally I think it is a cultural issue. Scousers are down to earth and humble. Liverpool Football Clubs ethos has been a reflection of those values. We have always been understated and have downplayed our achievements and gave opponents nothing to feed on.

Lovren doesn't really fit with that and it grates. He has a massively overinflated perception of himself. Tell everyone how great you are and there are bound to be repercussions when you fail to live up to those standards. It is just the way we are, if you are to full of yourself then you will get brought down a peg or two. That isn't a football thing it is just the way it is.

 

[afc tukrish]

Personally I think it is a cultural issue. Scousers are down to earth and humble. Liverpool Football Clubs ethos has been a reflection of those values. We have always been understated and have downplayed our achievements and gave opponents nothing to feed on.

Lovren doesn't really fit with that and it grates. He has a massively overinflated perception of himself. Tell everyone how great you are and there are bound to be repercussions when you fail to live up to those standards. It is just the way we are, if you are to full of yourself then you will get brought down a peg or two. That isn't a football thing it is just the way it is.

 

So Lovren was wrong to be confident?

[classycarra]

Personally I think it is a cultural issue. Scousers are down to earth and humble. Liverpool Football Clubs ethos has been a reflection of those values. We have always been understated and have downplayed our achievements and gave opponents nothing to feed on.

Lovren doesn't really fit with that and it grates. He has a massively overinflated perception of himself. Tell everyone how great you are and there are bound to be repercussions when you fail to live up to those standards. It is just the way we are, if you are to full of yourself then you will get brought down a peg or two. That isn't a football thing it is just the way it is.

Lovren made the comment about being a top level player about 4 or 5 years into his time here! No chance you can retroactively pretend that confidence had anything to do with the way he was targeted by dickheads among our fanbase since his first season.

If anything, that 'inflated perception' was just in direct response to those cowards acting like dicks when he was in the team (during a summer when he'd just been one of our best players in the CL final and one of the best defensive performers at the World Cup)

Fair to say these same people crossover with the ones who did this to Lucas and Henderson. Only those were shoved down their throats, so had to post-fact rationalise by acting as if they were right to be dicks to them initially.

PS if that's your view on scousers and football, I fear you are gonna hate Curtis Jones's confidence and self belief.

[Dim Glas]

Lovren made the comment about being a top level player about 4 or 5 years into his time here! No chance you can retroactively pretend that confidence had anything to do with the way he was targeted by dickheads among our fanbase since his first season.

If anything, that 'inflated perception' was just in direct response to those cowards acting like dicks when he was in the team (during a summer when he'd just been one of our best players in the CL final and one of the best defensive performers at the World Cup)

Fair to say these same people crossover with the ones who did this to Lucas and Henderson. Only those were shoved down their throats, so had to post-fact rationalise by acting as if they were right to be dicks to them initially.

PS if that's your view on scousers and football, I fear you are gonna hate Curtis Jones's confidence and self belief.

that Steven Gerrard was a shrinking violet too.

And yes, I know Gerrard backed it up, but he was always a right cocky sod, even when he first broke through, loved that though about him 

Not quite getting Al’s take on this. Seems like excuse making.

Dejan Lovren did like to come out with some stuff, that was what he is like.  And yes, I think it was compensating a lot of the time, when things where going well, he’d shove it back down the throats of the dickheads who loved to give him crap.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Footballers playing at a top level are confident in their own abilities, particularly those playing regularly for a top club. If they weren't, they wouldn't be in said position.

Al hijacking the thread in 3,2.1...

[Eeyore]

Lovren made the comment about being a top level player about 4 or 5 years into his time here! No chance you can retroactively pretend that confidence had anything to do with the way he was targeted by dickheads among our fanbase since his first season.

I didn't mention the comments at all. I was talking about how he made silly mistakes because he massively overestimated his own ability. I was talking about the way he plays, his perception that he can win every ball. I was talking about his propensity to crumble after the first mistake and end up in a tailspin. 

If anything, that 'inflated perception' was just in direct response to those cowards acting like dicks when he was in the team (during a summer when he'd just been one of our best players in the CL final and one of the best defensive performers at the World Cup)

Fair to say these same people crossover with the ones who did this to Lucas and Henderson. Only those were shoved down their throats, so had to post-fact rationalise by acting as if they were right to be dicks to them initially.

Anyone abusing a player at the match or on social media is a moron.

PS if that's your view on scousers and football, I fear you are gonna hate Curtis Jones's confidence and self belief.

There is a huge difference between having a confidence in your own ability and calling out greats on social media.

[Eeyore]

that Steven Gerrard was a shrinking violet too.

And yes, I know Gerrard backed it up, but he was always a right cocky sod, even when he first broke through, loved that though about him 

Not quite getting Al’s take on this. Seems like excuse making.

Dejan Lovren did like to come out with some stuff, that was what he is like.  And yes, I think it was compensating a lot of the time, when things where going well, he’d shove it back down the throats of the dickheads who loved to give him crap.

Read Stevie's autobiography he comes across as being shy and having confidence issues.

[redgriffin73]

I've witnessed players, indeed legends like Joey Jones and Ronnie Whelan, criticised for their supposed lack of Liverpool standard ability at points in their careers, but I've never seen the heightened criticism that Dejan Lovren has received from Liverpool followers for many years.

Every footballer makes a mistake in most games, when the strikers best efforts fail completely they're never condemned as a liability. When Dejan made a mistake it was always replayed, reenacted, rebuked and ridiculed. Matip, Gomez and Van Dijk have all made mistakes throughout this wonderful season, indeed Gomez and Van Dijk each made terrible mistakes today. Errors which would have brought heaps of negativity against Dejan.

Dejan Lovren was a cracking servant to Liverpool Football Club, he was involved in more successful campaigns or close achievements to success than other past players that are revered. To name those players would derail the thread.

His injury record was questioned to an extent that hadn't been applied to other past-players to the same degree.

All I can say is thank you Dejan, not just for the goal against Dortmand but for the determination and dedication you gave to my club. I never felt you let me down mate. Good luck.

Good post [emoji106]

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Read Stevie's autobiography he comes across as being shy and having confidence issues.

Yup he was massively shy on the pitch. 

[Coolie High]

Read Stevie's autobiography he comes across as being shy and having confidence issues.

What about Fowler?

[jillcwhomever]

I've witnessed players, indeed legends like Joey Jones and Ronnie Whelan, criticised for their supposed lack of Liverpool standard ability at points in their careers, but I've never seen the heightened criticism that Dejan Lovren has received from Liverpool followers for many years.

Every footballer makes a mistake in most games, when the strikers best efforts fail completely they're never condemned as a liability. When Dejan made a mistake it was always replayed, reenacted, rebuked and ridiculed. Matip, Gomez and Van Dijk have all made mistakes throughout this wonderful season, indeed Gomez and Van Dijk each made terrible mistakes today. Errors which would have brought heaps of negativity against Dejan.

Dejan Lovren was a cracking servant to Liverpool Football Club, he was involved in more successful campaigns or close achievements to success than other past players that are revered. To name those players would derail the thread.

His injury record was questioned to an extent that hadn't been applied to other past-players to the same degree.

All I can say is thank you Dejan, not just for the goal against Dortmand but for the determination and dedication you gave to my club. I never felt you let me down mate. Good luck.

Good post John, how I see it as well.

[afc tukrish]

Read Stevie's autobiography he comes across as being shy and having confidence issues.

Did he do a self-confidence assessment before writing, do you think?

[Eeyore]

Did he do a self-confidence assessment before writing, do you think?

So Lovren was wrong to be confident?

Was he confident before he hit the pass? Did he do a self-confidence assessment?

Maybe he will be confident afters...

Lack of confidence must be trumpeted, though...

Oh dear. Keep digging.

[Samie]

Al couldn't you just have said " I wish him well" for fuck sakes?

[El Lobo]

Oh dear. Keep digging.

Indeed Al....

[Eeyore]

Al couldn't you just have said " I wish him well" for fuck sakes?

Something like this Samie mate ?

No one could question his commitment. Good luck in the future Dejan.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Of course but you still went on to hijack the thread as per usual.

[Samie]

Something like this Samie mate ?

Yes and left it at that mate.

[Ratboy3G]

Al couldn't you just have said " I wish him well" for fuck sakes?

Of course he couldn't, this is Al were talking about