Topic: Typhoid Trump: the not-smart, corrupt, coward, loser, thread

[Corkboy]

Someone saw South Park this week

So brave.

[Ray K]

@natesilver538:
Why are people more outraged over what one of Trump's supporters said about Obama than over what Trump himself said about vaccines?

[Twelfth Man]

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[B0151?]

@natesilver538:
Why are people more outraged over what one of Trump's supporters said about Obama than over what Trump himself said about vaccines?

Probably because it seems to be a Republican thing to be against vaccines. Even the doctor, Carson I think it is, said they should be spaced out, based on absolutely nothing whatsoever.

[ericthered10]

So brave.

Not to mention stunning

[zabadoh]

Senator Barbara Boxer of California, recalls her Senatorial campaign against Fiorina back in 2010, calls her "mean spirited"

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/la-me-politics-boxer-fiorina-story.html

I remember that campaign, and the above article tells the story as I remember it. 

Fiorina was awful, and she sunk herself.  When the story of her disastrous record as HP's CEO became more widely known, it destroyed any credibility she had as a leader.

I think she lost to Boxer by more percentage points than Meg Whitman (R) lost to Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D) that same election, and was widely viewed as the worse campaigner.

[Gods_Left_Boot]

Good interview by Sanders last night on Colbert's late night show. Unfortunately only a short clip is available on YT, but it's quite easy to find the whole episode if you want to look around a bit.

[saoirse08]

Good interview by Sanders last night on Colbert's late night show. Unfortunately only a short clip is available on YT, but it's quite easy to find the whole episode if you want to look around a bit.

It's here, if anybody wants to watch:

http://gawker.com/stephen-colbert-gets-bernie-sanders-all-riled-up-on-the-1731801448

[robgomm]

Either im really really stupid (which is not beyond the realms of possibility) but Donald Trump and his posse come across as quite racist. Now does he dislike the mexicans or the muslims? Or both?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34308716

He's not the only one.

[rawcusk8]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34308716

He's not the only one.

Obviously desperate for votes and taking a page out of the Trump book. Ignorance is what it is, to put it mildly. Sad world we live in.

[Mouth]

Scott Walker holding a press conference at 6 p.m. ET.

Maybe he is pulling out.

[Mouth]

Walker has dropped out.

[Redcap]

Pretty shocking actually. Probably the GOP establishment's second pick after Bush.

Bush/Rubio/Christie the probable winners from his exit? Fiorina maybe as well?

[Redcap]

Obviously desperate for votes and taking a page out of the Trump book. Ignorance is what it is, to put it mildly. Sad world we live in.

Is Carson actually a serious candidate? Or is he just the less-popular-than-Trump Herman Cain of 2016?

[jambutty]

For me, as a Christian, there are many more ways to help the poor than just taking money from the rich and giving that money to the poor.

Then you're just what America needs.  But don't be Donald Trump, give us your ideas.



Great to have you back, Corky.

[zabadoh]

Pretty shocking actually. Probably the GOP establishment's second pick after Bush.

Bush/Rubio/Christie the probable winners from his exit? Fiorina maybe as well?

Winners of Walker's 1/2 of 1 percent?  Not sure that's measurable.

The other campaigns immediately started calling his donors though.

[Romeo Sensini]

Pretty shocking actually. Probably the GOP establishment's second pick after Bush.

Bush/Rubio/Christie the probable winners from his exit? Fiorina maybe as well?

Christie is pretty much dead in the water unless he has some fortunate turn of events, which is possible given the attention span of some Republican voters.

Fiorina got a big boost in the CNN national poll, post debate. It has her in 2nd now behind Trump. GOP top choices are failed business leaders with no political experience and pushing fear as their platform. Great choices to fix our country's issues.

It is funny (and enjoyable) seeing Walker and Christie flounder. Just a year ago, both were seen as top establishment GOP choices.

[ericthered10]

The way things are panning out at the moment gives you a really good idea of how conservatives in this country feel. The candidates with the most experience, who are actually politicians (Christie, Walker, Rubio, Bush) are languishing while people with no business whatsoever being candidates (Trump, Fiorina, Carson) are being lifted up. I think it will only serve the democrats as none of those three can stand up to the kind of scrutiny they would get in the general and in debates with Dems. Carson in particular is a real head scratcher, he seemingly has no ideas or plans, no discernible ideology that carries throughout his supposed policies, and has all the charisma of a man with ten cats just waking up from a deep coma.

[Redcap]

Christie is pretty much dead in the water unless he has some fortunate turn of events, which is possible given the attention span of some Republican voters.

Fiorina got a big boost in the CNN national poll, post debate. It has her in 2nd now behind Trump. GOP top choices are failed business leaders with no political experience and pushing fear as their platform. Great choices to fix our country's issues.

It is funny (and enjoyable) seeing Walker and Christie flounder. Just a year ago, both were seen as top establishment GOP choices.

He just needs to stay in the race long enough for a few more dropouts, and things might change. It'll be a question of whether he's raising enough money to keep himself afloat (no comment on his weight intended). It might just be wishful thinking on my part though. He seems to be a more decent fellow than his competitors.

Anyone want to take a guess at the top 5 candidates by the end of Super Tuesday?

I reckon, in no order:

Bush
Cruz
Rubio
Kasich
Fiorina

[Romeo Sensini]

He just needs to stay in the race long enough for a few more dropouts, and things might change. It'll be a question of whether he's raising enough money to keep himself afloat (no comment on his weight intended). It might just be wishful thinking on my part though. He seems to be a more decent fellow than his competitors.

Christie is a dirtbag. The man is my Governor, and I loathe him (most of our former Governors too). His approval rating was around 30% during the summer. This whole election cycle is really showing how desperate he is. He pandering the most out of all the candidates, saying absurd shit that I know he wouldn't have said 4 years ago. He's not a nutter like the current top crop, but his personality is nauseating. Trump is actually stealing his thunder with his bravado act. He's also a Dallas Cowboys and Mets fan. Disgusting.

I am getting a gut feeling that Rubio will end up getting it, but currently I would still say Trump. Jeb still feels very flat to me. His national poll numbers haven't really budged either. Maybe that is a good thing. If Fiorina keeps shit talking Hillary, she'll probably keep the pace with the others.

At the moment, I would go:
Trump
Rubio
Fiorina
Jeb
Cruz

Carson in particular is a real head scratcher, he seemingly has no ideas or plans, no discernible ideology that carries throughout his supposed policies, and has all the charisma of a man with ten cats just waking up from a deep coma.

I still have no idea why he is running. What does he have to gain? How did he even get to this point? He was a brilliant surgeon, why not use your fame for furthering the medical field/research. I guess he wants the speaking money.

[Ray K]

Never change, Mike Huckabee

[Trada]

Trump has fallen out with Fox news.

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 7m7 minutes ago

.@FoxNews owes me an apology for allowing clueless pundit @RichLowry to use such foul language on TV. Unheard of!

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[Redcap]

Christie is a dirtbag. The man is my Governor, and I loathe him (most of our former Governors too). His approval rating was around 30% during the summer. This whole election cycle is really showing how desperate he is. He pandering the most out of all the candidates, saying absurd shit that I know he wouldn't have said 4 years ago. He's not a nutter like the current top crop, but his personality is nauseating. Trump is actually stealing his thunder with his bravado act. He's also a Dallas Cowboys and Mets fan. Disgusting.

I am getting a gut feeling that Rubio will end up getting it, but currently I would still say Trump. Jeb still feels very flat to me. His national poll numbers haven't really budged either. Maybe that is a good thing. If Fiorina keeps shit talking Hillary, she'll probably keep the pace with the others.

At the moment, I would go:
Trump
Rubio
Fiorina
Jeb
Cruz

You really think Trump will still be going strong by the end of Super Tuesday? It feels like he's losing gas already.

On the other hand, the establishment candidates have really struggled to make an impression. Maybe there are some parallels between Jeb and Hillary. It seems like maybe he thought he would just cruise to the nomination, and hasn't been prepared for the kind of campaign this has been so far.

I get why Carson is running. A presidential campaign is essentially a way to get national exposure on other people's dollar. As long as you don't come off as a complete fool (hold on..), it's a great way to open up business opportunities.

[zabadoh]

Citing "unfair treatment" Trump has said today is his last personal appearance on Fox News

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/donald-trump-says-hes-finished-with-fox-news-after-unfair-treatment-2015-09-23

It's a bit like a wrestling story line, isn't it?  After a few weeks of their tiff, Trump and Megyn Kelly will tag team to bodyslam the Undertaker.

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@Romeo S:  I actually like Christie.  He runs New Jersey like a mafia boss and will probably do the same from the White House if he ever gets there, but he seems to be a pragmatic and effective leader who's above the usual (R) dogma.

That last bit is why he won't get through the (R) primaries which is ruled by the dogmatics.

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@Redcap:  If Carson is smart, he's playing a long game by building his cred with the base, and continuing speaking, speaking and then speaking to practice what messages resonate with his base, the major backers, then the general electorate.  Who else did that was some ex-union guy named Reagan.

Trump is losing support, but his numbers seem to be going to Carson, Rubio and Fiorina.

Of those three, I'd agree with Romeo S, and say Rubio appears to be more electable, but he blended into the background at the debates.  I'm thinking his support is Republican Latinos.

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Jeb is in trouble.  He's probably the money raising leader, but his poll percentages have dropped by half since July

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html#polls

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Weird looking at Walker's polling.  He was consistently well into double digits through July, then pfft!

[Libertine]

The way things are panning out at the moment gives you a really good idea of how conservatives in this country feel. The candidates with the most experience, who are actually politicians (Christie, Walker, Rubio, Bush) are languishing while people with no business whatsoever being candidates (Trump, Fiorina, Carson) are being lifted up. I think it will only serve the democrats as none of those three can stand up to the kind of scrutiny they would get in the general and in debates with Dems. Carson in particular is a real head scratcher, he seemingly has no ideas or plans, no discernible ideology that carries throughout his supposed policies, and has all the charisma of a man with ten cats just waking up from a deep coma.

There was an article about this in the Economist this/last week - how the base are just so anti-establishment/politics at the moment, they will support anyone unconnected with Washington or even state politics, regardless of qualifications or competence.

Fiorina was impressive enough in the debates, but hard to see her lasting. Her strength/experience comes as a business leader, but by all accounts, failed badly at HP, so what does that leave?

Watching a little of the debate last week, can't believe how bad Trump was. I mean I know he's batshit crazy, but he's was so unimpressive in even being a far right nut. Compared to someone like Frottage who has similar views but it actually fairly competent in debating and campaigning.

Rubio came across quite well (though I did mostly just see the foreign policy part). Given his profile (young, latino, not certifiable), he should be a frontrunner if the Republicans had any sense. So shouldn't be long before he drops out.

[Corkboy]

It is important to bear in mind that the Republicans have long abandoned the pretense of functioning as a normal parliamentary party. Rather, they have become a “radical insurgency” that scarcely seeks to participate in normal parliamentary politics, as observed by the respected conservative political commentator Norman Ornstein of the right-wing American Enterprise Institute. Since Ronald Reagan, the leadership has plunged so far into the pockets of the very rich and the corporate sector that they can attract votes only by mobilizing sectors of the population that have not previously been an organized political force, among them extremist evangelical Christians, now probably the majority of Republican voters; remnants of the former slave-holding States; nativists who are terrified that “they” are taking our white Christian Anglo-Saxon country away from us; and others who turn the Republican primaries into spectacles remote from the mainstream of modern society—though not the mainstream of the most powerful country in world history.

http://www.salon.com/2015/09/23/noam_chomsky_right_wing_extremism_from_trump_may_be_comic_relief_but_its_not_that_different_from_the_mainstream/

[Romeo Sensini]

You really think Trump will still be going strong by the end of Super Tuesday? It feels like he's losing gas already.

Trump is such a wildcard. No one expected him to last this long. After two very underwhelming debates where he looked absolutely incompetent, he is still atop the polls by a decent percentage. He has said countless dumb things that could offend either side of the aisle too. I don't think he'll win, but he doesn't seem to be slowing down as much as most expected.

@Romeo S:  I actually like Christie.  He runs New Jersey like a mafia boss and will probably do the same from the White House if he ever gets there, but he seems to be a pragmatic and effective leader who's above the usual (R) dogma.

That last bit is why he won't get through the (R) primaries which is ruled by the dogmatics.

Mob bosses favor unions. Not so much with Christie. 

[KERRYKOP]

@Romeo S:  I actually like Christie.  He runs New Jersey like a mafia boss and will probably do the same from the White House if he ever gets there, but he seems to be a pragmatic and effective leader who's above the usual (R) dogma.

Does he actually run New Jersey like a mafia boss or do people say that because he's the spit and kick of Bobby Baccalieri?

[beardsley4ever]

There was an article about this in the Economist this/last week - how the base are just so anti-establishment/politics at the moment, they will support anyone unconnected with Washington or even state politics, regardless of qualifications or competence.

If you want to read a good book about this, then I recommend Nixonland.  It isn't unbiased, but it is a pretty good walk through of America through the 50s/60s/70s (a fascinating period) with Nixon as its protagonist.  It explains how Nixon was dogmatically anti-establishment right from childhood.  Poor upbringing, clumsy speech, no good looks, but a very intelligent guy.  He created a fraternity called The Orthoganists in uni because none of the frat houses would let him in.  He basically came to dislike good looking blokes from established backgrounds, whether they were intelligent or not.  Of course, the perfect incarnation of what he hated was JFK, who beat Nixon in 1952 in the first TV-centric presidential election.  Nixon then decided that he had to reshape the identity of the Republican party to be "anti-establishment" (i.e. anti left-wing good-looking northwest liberal establishment families, like the Kennedy's) in order to get elected.  So he pulled together three groups who share nothing in common other than their dislike/distrust of the establishment - corporate America, gun lobby and the religious right.  And unfortunately, the current Republican race is the final climax of Nixon's vision, in a negative way.  The candidates speak for nothing - it is a culture of negativity and antiestablishmentarianism (I've waited 30 years to use that word that I learned in school!).  It is distrust of people like Kennedy, Clinton and Obama, rather than a positive belief in a model.  It is just "small government", even when no Republican president has actually shrunk the government. 

Anyway, it's a good book.  The sequel (Bridge to Nowhere, or something like that) was sh*t, though!

[Istanbul, 2005]

If you want to read a good book about this, then I recommend Nixonland.  It isn't unbiased, but it is a pretty good walk through of America through the 50s/60s/70s (a fascinating period) with Nixon as its protagonist.  It explains how Nixon was dogmatically anti-establishment right from childhood.  Poor upbringing, clumsy speech, no good looks, but a very intelligent guy.  He created a fraternity called The Orthoganists in uni because none of the frat houses would let him in.  He basically came to dislike good looking blokes from established backgrounds, whether they were intelligent or not.  Of course, the perfect incarnation of what he hated was JFK, who beat Nixon in 1952 in the first TV-centric presidential election.  Nixon then decided that he had to reshape the identity of the Republican party to be "anti-establishment" (i.e. anti left-wing good-looking northwest liberal establishment families, like the Kennedy's) in order to get elected.  So he pulled together three groups who share nothing in common other than their dislike/distrust of the establishment - corporate America, gun lobby and the religious right.  And unfortunately, the current Republican race is the final climax of Nixon's vision, in a negative way.  The candidates speak for nothing - it is a culture of negativity and antiestablishmentarianism (I've waited 30 years to use that word that I learned in school!).  It is distrust of people like Kennedy, Clinton and Obama, rather than a positive belief in a model.  It is just "small government", even when no Republican president has actually shrunk the government. 

Anyway, it's a good book.  The sequel (Bridge to Nowhere, or something like that) was sh*t, though!

Agree, thats why Donald Trump can be so popular despite being fucking mad, 20% support just for dont givin a fuck about being political correctness.

Sadly on the key issues...Crony capitalism, Wall Street, corporate campaign donations, Mass surveillance, wars, interventionism etc its a Bipartisanship and totally supported by the mass media. The only ones that could truly change or influence that are Rand Paul from the republicans and Sanders from the democrats, the rest are pretty much the same.

[Corkboy]

Anyone following the GOP Clown Car really should see this week's South Park.

[J_Kopite]

If you want to read a good book about this, then I recommend Nixonland.  It isn't unbiased, but it is a pretty good walk through of America through the 50s/60s/70s (a fascinating period) with Nixon as its protagonist.  It explains how Nixon was dogmatically anti-establishment right from childhood.  Poor upbringing, clumsy speech, no good looks, but a very intelligent guy.  He created a fraternity called The Orthoganists in uni because none of the frat houses would let him in.  He basically came to dislike good looking blokes from established backgrounds, whether they were intelligent or not.  Of course, the perfect incarnation of what he hated was JFK, who beat Nixon in 1952 in the first TV-centric presidential election.  Nixon then decided that he had to reshape the identity of the Republican party to be "anti-establishment" (i.e. anti left-wing good-looking northwest liberal establishment families, like the Kennedy's) in order to get elected.  So he pulled together three groups who share nothing in common other than their dislike/distrust of the establishment - corporate America, gun lobby and the religious right.  And unfortunately, the current Republican race is the final climax of Nixon's vision, in a negative way.  The candidates speak for nothing - it is a culture of negativity and antiestablishmentarianism (I've waited 30 years to use that word that I learned in school!).  It is distrust of people like Kennedy, Clinton and Obama, rather than a positive belief in a model.  It is just "small government", even when no Republican president has actually shrunk the government. 

Anyway, it's a good book.  The sequel (Bridge to Nowhere, or something like that) was sh*t, though!

Added to my wishlist, thanks!

[Ray K]

House Speaker John Boehner resigning and leaving Congress at the end of October, after the clown car wing of the GOP threaten no-confidence in him. So he chose to quit rather than losing that vote, or relying on the Demmycrats support.

[Twelfth Man]

Saw a video the other day, GOP presidential candidate Ben Carson, a fucking surgeon no less, does not believe in the Big Bang and even more troubling thinks Evolution was whispered to Darwin by Satan. I don't even know where to begin.

[Corkboy]

Saw a video the other day, GOP presidential candidate Ben Carson, a fucking surgeon no less, does not believe in the Big Bang and even more troubling thinks Evolution was whispered to Darwin by Satan. I don't even know where to begin.

He also believes the world was made in six days.

Literally.

[Romeo Sensini]

Saw a video the other day, GOP presidential candidate Ben Carson, a fucking surgeon no less, does not believe in the Big Bang and even more troubling thinks Evolution was whispered to Darwin by Satan. I don't even know where to begin.

Not just any surgeon, but a neurosurgeon at one of the best hospitals in the world. Mind blowing that a man who has immense knowledge on the brain, seems not to have one himself.

[KERRYKOP]

Not just any surgeon, but a neurosurgeon at one of the best hospitals in the world. Mind blowing that a man who has immense knowledge on the brain, seems not to have one himself.

He's spoofing, has to be. How do you become a neurosurgeon and not figure out stuff kids now have pinned down by the time they're 12? Impossible.

[zabadoh]

Does he actually run New Jersey like a mafia boss or do people say that because he's the spit and kick of Bobby Baccalieri?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Lee_lane_closure_scandal
http://www.salon.com/2015/05/16/5_chris_christie_scandals_that_blow_bridgegate_out_of_the_water_partner/

[Twelfth Man]

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Can they get anymore crazy? Yes, we ain't seen nothing yet. The Clown race is just nuts.

[Twelfth Man]

He's spoofing, has to be. How do you become a neurosurgeon and not figure out stuff kids now have pinned down by the time they're 12? Impossible.

He's one of them Adventists... Religion, it is like being mentally ill...