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Re: The Irish Politics Thread.
« Reply #4560 on: May 24, 2017, 06:54:22 AM »
I like the things Varadkar has set out to do. None of this populist bollocks you see from most.

Infrastructure is a must and making the tax system fairer would be a great start. Banning essential public services from striking is a good one but I don't see it happening.

You don't think that banning essential public services from striking would be populist?
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Re: The Irish Politics Thread.
« Reply #4561 on: May 24, 2017, 12:42:53 PM »
You don't think that banning essential public services from striking would be populist?
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« Reply #4562 on: May 24, 2017, 01:35:47 PM »
I like the things Varadkar has set out to do. None of this populist bollocks you see from most.

Infrastructure is a must and making the tax system fairer would be a great start. Banning essential public services from striking is a good one but I don't see it happening.
There are issues there with regards essential public services striking but I certainly won't be voting for any party who wants to make striking illegal, whether public or private.
I still hope he gets in ahead of Coveney though. I've no time for him at all.
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Re: The Irish Politics Thread.
« Reply #4563 on: May 24, 2017, 02:02:44 PM »
Not sure whether it's the unions or workers fault but I think it's unfair that we can be held to ransom. I think everyone should be entitled to a fair wage but the luas and bus drivers took the piss. If they were that unhappy with theier wages they should have to do what the rest of us do and find a new job.

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Re: The Irish Politics Thread.
« Reply #4564 on: May 24, 2017, 04:53:25 PM »
I like the things Varadkar has set out to do. None of this populist bollocks you see from most.
Going after dole cheats and making a public song and dance about it not populist enough for you?

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Re: The Irish Politics Thread.
« Reply #4565 on: May 24, 2017, 04:54:33 PM »
Looks like the Dublin/Everywhere else rifts are opening nicely.

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« Reply #4566 on: May 24, 2017, 05:38:21 PM »
Not sure whether it's the unions or workers fault but I think it's unfair that we can be held to ransom. I think everyone should be entitled to a fair wage but the luas and bus drivers took the piss. If they were that unhappy with theier wages they should have to do what the rest of us do and find a new job.
And if they all went and got new jobs, who'd drive the buses?
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Re: The Irish Politics Thread.
« Reply #4567 on: May 24, 2017, 05:42:40 PM »
Trying to ban certain occupations from striking is fascism

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Re: The Irish Politics Thread.
« Reply #4568 on: May 24, 2017, 06:04:33 PM »
And if they all went and got new jobs, who'd drive the buses?

I'd love a go. Not too arsed about picking up passengers, but you know, minor details.
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Re: The Irish Politics Thread.
« Reply #4569 on: May 24, 2017, 06:10:58 PM »
There are issues there with regards essential public services striking but I certainly won't be voting for any party who wants to make striking illegal, whether public or private.
I still hope he gets in ahead of Coveney though. I've no time for him at all.

Agree but would never vote FF/FG anyway, not a fan of both but no idea who i would prefer.
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« Reply #4570 on: May 24, 2017, 06:12:22 PM »
Looks like the Dublin/Everywhere else rifts are opening nicely.

Hahahaaaa true but Coveney looks do now to be honest.
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« Reply #4571 on: May 24, 2017, 06:12:50 PM »
Trying to ban certain occupations from striking is fascism

And never going to work. Should I mention the Blue Shirts or will I say nothing?
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« Reply #4572 on: May 24, 2017, 06:14:45 PM »
I'd love a go. Not too arsed about picking up passengers, but you know, minor details.
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Re: The Irish Politics Thread.
« Reply #4573 on: May 24, 2017, 06:34:47 PM »
Unionism tended to listen to Mcguinness much more than Gerry Adams. People I know switch off when he comes on the TV.

Not just Unionists to be honest mate, in the South Adams would be not liked in many quarters where as McGuinness was tolerated more.
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« Reply #4574 on: May 24, 2017, 06:36:40 PM »
So how do we all feel about poor auld Seany Fitz getting away with the Anglo Marlarky?
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« Reply #4575 on: May 24, 2017, 09:49:44 PM »
So how do we all feel about poor auld Seany Fitz getting away with the Anglo Marlarky?
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« Reply #4576 on: May 24, 2017, 10:01:25 PM »
So how do we all feel about poor auld Seany Fitz getting away with the Anglo Marlarky?
The government will never jail one of their own.
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Re: The Irish Politics Thread.
« Reply #4577 on: May 24, 2017, 10:04:00 PM »
I wish Leo would talk about improving the wellbeing of the citizens, so that the homeless issues are addressed, the drugs problems cleaned up, education invested in. etc.

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« Reply #4578 on: May 24, 2017, 10:20:15 PM »
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Re: The Irish Politics Thread.
« Reply #4579 on: May 24, 2017, 11:43:15 PM »
Going after dole cheats and making a public song and dance about it not populist enough for you?

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There is no mention of dole cheats, this guy isn't a Tory or GOP head. From what I can see he wants less of a squeeze on the middle class. 40% in the low 30's is ridiculous and the tax on sole traders is one of the reasons I ended up on the dole in 2008/9.
And if they all went and got new jobs, who'd drive the buses?
Just about every person out there who drives bus/truck would be in for them. The pay and conditions are infinitely better.

Actually that's bollocks cause the drivers wouldn't even consider leaving if they knew they couldn't strike when they felt up for a massive pay rise payed by the passengers and tax payer.

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« Reply #4580 on: May 24, 2017, 11:54:28 PM »
If you think I'm bitter towards public sector workers you would be mostly right. But at the same time I don't blame them for taking everything they can because honestly I would as well if the opportunity arose. It's only human.

The thing is, is that what they are paid relative to the private sector and even more so their pensions could do real damage to society.

Not as much as the dodgy bankers have but then two wrongs don't make a right and we have to make the best we can do now.

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« Reply #4581 on: May 25, 2017, 03:34:42 PM »
If you think I'm bitter towards public sector workers you would be mostly right. But at the same time I don't blame them for taking everything they can because honestly I would as well if the opportunity arose. It's only human.

The thing is, is that what they are paid relative to the private sector and even more so their pensions could do real damage to society.

Not as much as the dodgy bankers have but then two wrongs don't make a right and we have to make the best we can do now.



Vast majority of Pubic/Civil servants are not that well paid.
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« Reply #4582 on: Yesterday at 04:22:54 PM »
Just about every person out there who drives bus/truck would be in for them. The pay and conditions are infinitely better.

Actually that's bollocks cause the drivers wouldn't even consider leaving if they knew they couldn't strike when they felt up for a massive pay rise payed by the passengers and tax payer.
Surely those truck/bus drivers would all be off getting those better jobs you mentioned, and we're back to square one? I'd much rather drive a coach for Bus Eireann or something. That's a much handier number than working for Dublin Bus.
I wouldn't want to be a Dublin bus driver if they paid me in bags of gold. It's a hellish job and they have to put up with some awful shite on a daily basis.
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« Reply #4583 on: Yesterday at 07:36:26 PM »
Vast majority of Pubic/Civil servants are not that well paid.
I've seen no evidence of that. I'd love to know if any are earning as low as the living wage.
Surely those truck/bus drivers would all be off getting those better jobs you mentioned, and we're back to square one?
This capitalism thing is mad like that.
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« Reply #4584 on: Today at 12:26:26 PM »
I've seen no evidence of that. I'd love to know if any are earning as low as the living wage.
Why, is that what you think they should be earning? These people are helping run the country and get little thanks for it.
You make it sound like they're just on a money grab, and to compare them to bankers is beyond the pale. Maybe if successive governments hadn't made promises to them that they were unable or unwilling to keep, they wouldn't be so demanding.
We live in a country where c*nts like Seanie Fitzpatrick get a free ride fleecing people for all they're worth, but apparently it's the greedy public sector workers that are the problem. The mind boggles.
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« Reply #4585 on: Today at 12:33:49 PM »
This capitalism thing is mad like that.
Society doesn't have to be a race to the bottom. Even a capitalistic one.
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