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Sanchez had the better pedigree, no doubt, but are you saying Lallana is not even worth half a Sanchez?

We bought him because he was a PFA POTY level player and whenever he has been fit for us he has played well. His settling in has been affected because of injuries, not his quality.

Your appraisal of him is a joke. You need to look around and see how much players are worth these days - Shane Long went to Southampton, the same time we bought Lallana, for 12m.

Transfers go beyond that 5 year period which is why despite spending a lot it still isn't enough. All you have to do is look at the squad values of the teams in the top 4 to understand this.
Lallana is a little above average, nothing more really. To compare to Sanchez is a joke. He's been a huge disappointment for me

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If you were going to be rational about it then you set out the structure first and then recruit within that structure. A logical way for me would of been to get football nous on to the board. Recruit a DoF and then the board and the DoF would recruit a head coach / manager.

Instead of that Henry interfered recruited Rodgers who didn't want a DoF brought in over his head and we ended up with a mish mash that has never worked. Now we have Mike Gordon a man with no background having a go at fixing things.

And you know how Gordon isn't up to the task eh? You don't as it doesn't suit your agenda.

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The crux though is how much has been spent on CEO's, DoF's, Managers, Scouts etc because for me we tend to cheap out in key areas. Look at Arsenal they have one of the top managers in World Football, one of the biggest and best scouting networks in world football and have had a series of big hitters in the vice chairman CEO role.

You keep moving the goalposts. Money hasn't been the issue. The way Rodgers spent the money is. He seems to have 0 trust in the scouts at the club,  and the only players he's confortable signing are those he's worked with before.

Even if we wanted to spend more than we did last year we couldn't due to FFP.

Now I support BR and said before that he deserves at least another year for what he achieved last season,  but let's remove the blinkers, he's  terrible at signing players.
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Exit thread as the same old rinse and fucking repeat bollocks buries it. :wave

You mean at the club?
One thing does need to be said: in the post-Benitez era, there was media-led clamour (but also some politicking going on at the club) to make the club more English; the idea being that the club had lost the very essence of what it means to be ‘Liverpool’. Guillem Ballague 18/11/10

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And you know how Gordon isn't up to the task eh? You don't as it doesn't suit your agenda.

He also ironically points out Arsenal as having a good succession of men at the top of the club when the current Chairman is an Eton educated banker, previous Chairman was an Eton educated banker and current CEO was a lawyer who had no previous experience of running a football club.

What's to say Gordon doesn't have the ability to be along those lines?

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Pako: Liverpool FC is a truly special club - I still watch as many matches as possible

Linked with a return to Anfield as assistant to Brendan Rodgers, this is what Pako Ayestaran told the ECHO about his time at Liverpool

By James Pearce


Pako Ayestaran has been linked with a return to Anfield today although no approach has yet been made to the Spaniard by Liverpool.

A popular figure as Rafa Benitez’s number two, little had been heard from the 52-year-old Spaniard about his departure from Liverpool in 2007 until earlier this year when he spoke exclusively to the ECHO’s James Pearce.

Covering his love for Liverpool, his relationship with Rafa and his hopes to return to manage in England one day, it gives a significant insight into the thoughts of a man who continues to spend every summer in the Wirral, keeping a house there just as his former partner Benitez has done.

“I watch as many Liverpool matches as I can and I still love the club,” he said.

“Brendan Rodgers has done an excellent job. The way Brendan approaches games is very enjoyable to watch. He likes his teams to attack and be positive.”

Here is a synopsis of that interview which took place in late March as he chased a history-making treble in Israel as manager of Maccabi Tel Aviv, a target which was successfully achieved.

Pako on his parting from Rafa

Pako Ayestaran insists he didn’t betray Rafa Benitez but says he had to leave Liverpool FC because they were “going in different directions”.

The Spanish duo were close friends and had worked together for 11 years prior to Ayestaran quitting as the Reds’ No 2 in August 2007 following a series of disputes.

Benitez accused his assistant of “a betrayal” by talking to other clubs behind his back but Ayestaran denies that. The pair haven’t spoken since his exit.

“That’s not true. I never looked at any jobs behind his back,” Ayestaran told the ECHO.

“It’s true that I had offers from Spain but Rafa knew about them.

“No, I’ve not seen Rafa since. I’ve not been lucky.”

After three years at Liverpool which saw the club win both the Champions League and the FA Cup, Ayestaran says he left with a heavy heart.

“I would have loved to continue at the club for more years but the fact is I had stopped enjoying my work on a daily basis,” he said.

“I just felt Rafa and I were going in different directions in the way of wanting to do things. In terms of the training and the competitions, we were getting away from our principles.

“If you are not enjoying it then you are not a happy bunny, as you say in English. When that happens it’s time to move on."

On his love for Liverpool FC

“If it had been anywhere else, it wouldn’t have been such a difficult decision. But because it was Liverpool it was very difficult.

“There are other good clubs but Liverpool is a truly special club. It’s not easy to find a similar environment but I have no regrets about leaving. If I was going to be fulfilled I needed to go somewhere else.

“When I look back on my time at Liverpool, I keep in my mind the positives. The great moments, great experiences and great people. The positives are more important than anything that happened towards the end of my time there.”

Ayestaran started out as a player at Real Sociedad’s Academy but hung up his boots at the age of 21 to focus on a career in coaching. He did his badges and got a degree in sports science.

He was a fitness coach at Osasuna when he met Benitez for the first time in 1996.

They struck up an instant rapport and went on to earn promotion with Extremadura and then Tenerife. The pair moved to Valencia in 2001 and won two La Liga titles and the UEFA Cup before Liverpool came calling in 2004.

After leaving the Reds, Ayestaran worked for Real Sociedad, Benfica, Valencia and Al Ahly in Dubai before moving into management.

In 2013 he headed to Mexico to take over at Estudiantes Tecos and then last August he landed the job at Maccabi Tel Aviv in Israel.

On becoming a manager

“There was never any big plan to become a manager,” he added.

“It has been quite a natural process. When I was part of the backroom staff the only thing I was looking for was to feel important. To try to get my knowledge through and put that into the team. That fulfilled me.

“But there came a time when I started to see the game in a different way. You feel that you have things you want to give to the game.

“Little by little I felt that I wanted the chance to take my own way. After working for many different clubs, I felt it would be easier.

“When I arrived (in Israel) it wasn’t easy because the season had already started and I wasn’t involved in the building of the squad.

“It was a new country for me and I didn’t know much about the level of competition. I needed some time to get my ideas across but the adaptation period was pretty quick.

“We are doing well and this could be an historic season for the club. The treble has never been done by any club here before.

"That would be a great achievement but there’s still a long way to go.”

On working in lsrael

Tel Aviv general manager Jordi Cruyff, the former Barcelona and Manchester United midfielder, came calling after Oscar Garcia, the ex-Brighton boss, quit last summer.

Garcia claimed he walked away because of the security situation in Israel but Ayestaran has never had any concerns on that front.

“There are no issues for my work and my family and I feel perfectly safe,” he said.

“Tel Aviv is a lovely place to live. The weather is good and the people have been very welcoming. It’s quite far from the conflict.

“I had a meeting with Jordi the year before in Barcelona so we already knew each other. When he called and asked me to take charge, I had three offers from clubs in Mexico I was considering.

“But I decided to accept this challenge and I’m glad I did. I was lucky in that Jordi was here for two years before I arrived and he changed the structure of the club and made it a lot more professional. He changed the habits.

“This club had gone 10 years without winning the championship but they won it in 2013 and again last year. Now we want to make it three in a row.”

On life on Merseyside

Nearly eight years have passed since Ayestaran left Liverpool after his relationship with Benitez deteriorated but his attachment to both the club and the city remain.

“My second son is a Scouser,” he says proudly.

Ten-year-old Unai, 12-year-old Borja and their mother Zaida are now based with him in Tel Aviv, but the family have kept their house in Hoylake.

“My family and I love the Wirral,” he added.

“It feels like home around there and we’re very attached to it. We’ll be back there again this summer.

“I have so many unbelievable memories from my time at Liverpool. That was probably the best part of my life.

“That feeling of being part of the Liverpool family and being loved by the supporters.

“The respect everyone shows you in England but especially at Liverpool for the work you do, that’s impossible to feel anywhere else.”

On winning trophies with the Reds and why the didn't win the League


After making the move to Anfield with Benitez from Valencia in 2004, Ayestaran enjoyed three remarkable seasons with the Reds.

The Champions League triumph of 2005 was followed by FA Cup glory 12 months later. Liverpool also reached the 2007 Champions League final in Athens.

“The first season was unbelievable,” he said. “The team was struggling in the Premier League but we had so many magnificent performances in the Champions League.

“In Istanbul we saw the greatest comeback in history. There’s never been another final like that. I still keep in touch with Stevie (Gerrard), Carra (Jamie Carragher), Xabi (Alonso) and Luis (Garcia).

“Sometimes I doubt whether it was my best achievement because in a cup competition it can depend on the draw and you only have to play around a dozen games.

“It’s more difficult to win a league title because you need to be more consistent over a long period. But Istanbul was certainly the best day of my life.”

Liverpool became feared across Europe but domestically it was a different story. In 2004/05 they were fifth in the Premier League – 37 points adrift of champions Chelsea.

The Reds improved and went on to secure back to back top-three finishes but they weren’t able to sustain a title challenge.

“We just didn’t have a strong enough squad,” Ayestaran said.

“It’s very tough to win the Premier League with the pace of the games.

“We had some players who could play in any big team in Europe but we didn’t have enough of those players. You need 15 to 17 of that calibre.”

On rotation


As well as being a sounding board for Benitez’s tactical plans, Ayestaran was also instrumental in planning Liverpool’s training regime.

A specialist in sports science, he was responsible for the physical conditioning of the squad and had a hill constructed at Melwood which the players would pound up and down as he sought to improve their stamina.

When it came to team selection, their rotation policy came in for plenty of stick but Ayestaran says the critics were being short-sighted.

“Rotation wasn’t something new to us as it started at Valencia,” he said.

“When you are playing in Europe and fighting for the league, you need to rotate. It’s impossible to expect players to perform at their best for 60-odd games per season.

“A lot of them play international matches on top of their club commitments. They need to rest sometimes and recharge their batteries.

“There was criticism when we made changes but it was always the right thing to do. That’s where having a deep squad comes in.”

In the long-term he would relish a return to the Premier League.

“Managing in England? This is one of the dreams,” he added.

“I think whoever has managed or coached in England will tell you it’s one of the best places to work. It’s the respect you get for your work and how professional everything is.

“But I’m enjoying myself here. I’m learning and growing as a manager every day.”

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He also ironically points out Arsenal as having a good succession of men at the top of the club when the current Chairman is an Eton educated banker, previous Chairman was an Eton educated banker and current CEO was a lawyer who had no previous experience of running a football club.

What's to say Gordon doesn't have the ability to be along those lines?
Next thing you`ll say is Cortese was also just a banker...

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Lallana is a little above average, nothing more really. To compare to Sanchez is a joke. He's been a huge disappointment for me

He's not average. He's a good player, but I agree he isn't near the level of Sanchez. Injuries have played a massive part in his disappointing season with us. I hope for and expect much better from him next season.

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'sup homies, still on about the same thing as before last Friday?

Anyway chances are of certainty that FSG is unlikely to be trawling RAWK for managerial advice and pointers on how to run the club but feel free to pretend that they do. :wave
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He's not average. He's a good player, but I agree he isn't near the level of Sanchez. Injuries have played a massive part in his disappointing season with us. I hope for and expect much better from him next season.
I actually (broadly) agree with you for once.

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He also ironically points out Arsenal as having a good succession of men at the top of the club when the current Chairman is an Eton educated banker, previous Chairman was an Eton educated banker and current CEO was a lawyer who had no previous experience of running a football club.

What's to say Gordon doesn't have the ability to be along those lines?

We, by all accounts have been heavily advised by Dein as well. Gordon doesn't appear to be a schmuck, seems very switched on. Any short-comings he will have in terms of footballing knowledge will be covered by seeking the advice of men like Kenny, Dein, Barwick etc.. Pillars of the footballing world and know more than Al's tinfoil hat could ever imagine.

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He also ironically points out Arsenal as having a good succession of men at the top of the club when the current Chairman is an Eton educated banker, previous Chairman was an Eton educated banker and current CEO was a lawyer who had no previous experience of running a football club.

What's to say Gordon doesn't have the ability to be along those lines?

Gazidis didn't run a Club no mate he was deputy commissioner of the MLS so he had a football background. Gordon is an investor who managed a fund if you cannot see who is more qualified to be in football administration then I give up.
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Lallana is a little above average, nothing more really. To compare to Sanchez is a joke. He's been a huge disappointment for me

he has been used incorrectly

Lallana is a 70min pressing machine, and we don't even play pressing game!  which is strange really since he was top priority target for Rodgers last summer .  Why would you prioritise one target if you're not going to play to his strengths?

i'm sorry to say this, but i don't think Rodgers is knowledgeable enough to know what system to set, and what players he needs for that system... let alone establishing players to one system that they never played before, which requires amazing coaching  skills

it's strange how Moreno, Markovic, Balotelli, Lallana etc became shite players over night. I believe that's down to Rodgers... it's understandable really when you think about it, because one year before he took over us he was s championship manager... so lack of experience and knowledge are damaging us long term. 


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Why is Pearce regurgitating old interviews? Has he lost his sources? Surely he'd know if Pako was coming back...
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Why is Pearce regurgitating old interviews? Has he lost his sources? Surely he'd know if Pako was coming back...

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Gazidis didn't run a Club no mate he was deputy commissioner of the MLS so he had a football background. Gordon is an investor who managed a fund if you cannot see who is more qualified to be in football administration then I give up.

He was a lawyer prior to that, his background is not football. Pretty similar to Ayre in that respect, and Parry for that matter.

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Why is Pearce regurgitating old interviews? Has he lost his sources? Surely he'd know if Pako was coming back...

Because it's big click bait given he is being talked about so is an easy article.

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Why is Pearce regurgitating old interviews? Has he lost his sources? Surely he'd know if Pako was coming back...
What is this about?

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We bought him because he was a PFA POTY level player and whenever he has been fit for us he has played well. His settling in has been affected because of injuries, not his quality.

Your appraisal of him is a joke. You need to look around and see how much players are worth these days - Shane Long went to Southampton, the same time we bought Lallana, for 12m.

Transfers go beyond that 5 year period which is why despite spending a lot it still isn't enough. All you have to do is look at the squad values of the teams in the top 4 to understand this.



It's not just his injuries that have stopped him from living up to his price. It's also his quality. He is good, but he is not that good to where he can justify his price tag unless he somehow improves exponentially. As I said, 2 years in the PL with a mid table club and one standout season and suddenly you are worth 26 million. There is very little value in the Premier League unless you are buying cast offs from the top clubs like Sturridge from Chelsea.

To compare, we got Iago Aspas for £7 million from La Liga after a standout season at a lower level club compared to £26 million for a stand out season n the PL for Lallana. Another example is Coutinho who we got for £10 million from Serie A who had a couple seasons at a huge club like Inter. As I said, there is no value in the Premier League and Rodgers has cost us a ton of money with his fixation on Premier League proven players from mid table clubs.

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He's not average. He's a good player, but I agree he isn't near the level of Sanchez. Injuries have played a massive part in his disappointing season with us. I hope for and expect much better from him next season.

He is a good player, but signing him was terrible value for money.

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It's not just his injuries that have stopped him from living up to his price. It's also his quality. He is good, but he is not that good to where he can justify his price tag unless he somehow improves exponentially. As I said, 2 years in the PL with a mid table club and one standout season and suddenly you are worth 26 million. There is very little value in the Premier League unless you are buying cast offs from the top clubs like Sturridge from Chelsea.

To compare, we got Iago Aspas for £7 million from La Liga after a standout season at a lower level club compared to £26 million for a stand out season n the PL for Lallana. Another example is Coutinho who we got for £10 million from Serie A who had a couple seasons at a huge club like Inter. As I said, there is no value in the Premier League and Rodgers has cost us a ton of money with his fixation on Premier League proven players from mid table clubs.

Christ, you talk so much nonsense it is tiring.

Aspas nor Coutinho were ever considered in the top handful of players in their league. Lallana was. He had an outstanding season with Southampton. His quality is not in doubt for mine. The stats more or less show it as well. He just needs to get on the pitch more.
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No mate id be happy with an Atletico Madrid set up , solid manager and staff ,when you sell world class players you replace them with players of the same ilk and not down grades.
They can give anyone a game on their day ,i would be more than happy with that,we where humiliated in so many respects last season it was devastating some times and i have only seen us lift 1 league title the year i started supporting the club ,even some of the bad seasons during the 90's we were never as bad as some of the games last season.

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even some of the bad seasons during the 90's we were never as bad as some of the games last season.

If you really think that you have a poor memory mate.

Micky Quinn scoring a hattrick against Liverpool in 5-1 mauling against Coventry City. Despite looking like he weighed about 20 stone.  The 'Danny Cademateri' Derby. Losing 4-0 away at Arsenal. Losing 4-1 away at Blackburn, 3-0 away at Newcastle, 4-2 away at Southampton, 4-2 away at Villa(the infamous Ronnie Rosenthal miss game). I could go on and on but I've already traumatised myself enough tonight with those memories.
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He was a lawyer prior to that, his background is not football. Pretty similar to Ayre in that respect, and Parry for that matter.

He grew up a City fan, represented Oxford University at football and was a very successful deputy commissioner of the MLS. That for me is a successful track record in football. He was head hunted by Arsenal because of his background in football. Gordon is running LFC because he happens to be an investor in FSG and has retired from Vinik Asset Management and has no background in football.
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He grew up a City fan, represented Oxford University at football and was a very successful deputy commissioner of the MLS. That for me is a successful track record in football. He was head hunted by Arsenal because of his background in football. Gordon is running LFC because he happens to be an investor in FSG and has retired from Vinik Asset Management and has no background in football.

Gordon isn't running us. Ayre is running us, and has more of a football background than Gazidis. How's that working out for you?

Similarly Parry was an accountant then worked forming the PL. How did that one work out for you?

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I am not sure that is true though the biggest problem for me is the lack of joined up thinking. Take Lovren for instance if you want him to play his natural game then you need a defensively solid athlete outside him who will cover when he pushes on trying to win the ball. Clearly Rodgers wanted Bertrand to be that player unfortunately the TC bought Moreno instead who is the complete opposite of what we needed outside Lovren.

You don't often get complete footballers and the key is often to get players that compliment each other. Whilst a TC might get you good individuals it is unlikely to get you a joined up vision and players that compliment each other. That is why I would rather have an experienced DoF who helps recruit the manager and then signs players who fit within the blueprint of the Club.


If we are to have the TC, then the manager and the coaching staff need to work together with a DoF to identify the profile of the player that we need.

As for your example, it's hard to tell if Brendan wanted Bertrand for cover for Lovren. We have Manquillo who is a defensively solid full back who can't get a game. Either way, the biggest issue with that equation was that Rodgers wanted to replace Sakho who appears to be a committee signing with his own signing. He was trying to fix an area of the pitch that didn't need fixing.

I think the Transfer committee needs to stay, and Brendan should have no input in the players we buy but he and his staff should consult with a DoF who will help Rodgers and his team identify the profile of player that the teams needs within a certain philosophy of how we want to play. The TC will then be the ones to go out and scout and get that player.

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Pako Ayestaran only interested in number one manager's position despite link with Liverpool FC return as Brendan Rodgers' assistant (Source: Liverpool Echo - Andy Kelly)

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Pako Ayestaran is believed only to be interested in a role as a number one manager despite being linked with a shock return to Liverpool – as Brendan Rodgers’ new first-team coach.

The Spanish coach, who was Rafa Benitez’s No 2 at Anfield from 2004 to 2007, has just completed an historic year in Israel where he managed Maccabi Tel Aviv to become the first team ever to win the treble.

The 52-year-old has already told Maccabi he will not return next year and he has always kept close links with Merseyside since his departure, following the breakdown in his relationship with Benitez.

However, it is understood he wishes to continue as a manager in his own right while Liverpool have not yet made any approach to Ayestaran or held any discussions with him.

Friday’s departure of Rodgers’ assistant coach Colin Pascoe and first team coach Mike Marsh leaves major roles to be filled at Melwood and Ayestaran would certainly pass the experience test which is said to be high on the list of qualities Liverpool are seeking.

A thorough recruitment process is already underway at Anfield but no appointments are said to be imminent in terms of the next few days.

His move to Israel last August came after a spell in charge of Mexican second division side Estudiantes Tecos.

In an exclusive interview with the ECHO two months ago Ayestaran said a future as a Premier League manager was his dream and said his period at Liverpool was probably the best time of his life

He said: “Managing in England? This is one of the dreams.

“I think whoever has managed or coached in England will tell you it’s one of the best places to work. It’s the respect you get for your work and how professional everything is.”

He also highlighted his love for Merseyside and his family’s ongoing links with the area, where they have kept their house in Hoylake.

“My second son is a Scouser,” he said proudly of 10-year-old Unai.

“My family and I love the Wirral. It feels like home around there and we’re very attached to it. We’ll be back there again this summer.

“I have so many unbelievable memories from my time at Liverpool. That was probably the best part of my life.

“That feeling of being part of the Liverpool family and being loved by the supporters.

“The respect everyone shows you in England but especially at Liverpool for the work you do, that’s impossible to feel anywhere else.”
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We have spent over £350 million over last 5 years. Only Chelsea (sugar daddy owner), Man City (sugar daddy owner), and Man United (second biggest revenue in the world, almost £200 million more per year than us) have spent more, and our spending is almost level with Man United. We have spent almost £100 million more than Arsenal during last five years. During Rodgers' tenure alone, we have spent more than £210 million on new players. The amount of money available has not been a problem during FSG's rule, but the way the money has been spent.

Comparing net spend?. We have spent less than half of the three teams above us in that table.

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Could the Echo twist that one interview anymore ways to get some more articles from it?

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Pako Ayestaran only interested in number one manager's position despite link with Liverpool FC return as Brendan Rodgers' assistant

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/liverpool-fc-pako-ayestaran-role-9405931?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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Gordon isn't running us. Ayre is ruining us, and has more of a football background than Gazidis. How's that working out for you?

Edited for my opinion,
oh and Ayre is not working too well for me, but i have hated the guy for years, Should have been sacked after he got pissed and slagged off the manager of this club to a pub full of people  a few years back,  totally unprofessional.
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Pako Ayestaran only interested in number one manager's position despite link with Liverpool FC return as Brendan Rodgers' assistant

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/liverpool-fc-pako-ayestaran-role-9405931?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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Could the Echo twist that one interview anymore ways to get some more articles from it?

Not many sources these days after they turned turtle, it seems.
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Edited for my opinion,
oh and Ayre is not working too well for me, but i have hated the guy for years, Should have been sacked after he got pissed and slagged off the manager of this club to a pub full of people  a few years back,  totally unprofessional.

Out of interest which manager did he slag off?
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Out of interest which manager did he slag off?

Rafa
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Edited for my opinion,
oh and Ayre is not working too well for me, but i have hated the guy for years, Should have been sacked after he got pissed and slagged off the manager of this club to a pub full of people  a few years back,  totally unprofessional.

He can no doubt be improved upon, but I don't think there is some glaringly obvious choice out there for doing so. If there is then I'd hope we'd move to do so.

My main issue is the claim Gordon won't do any good because he isn't a football guy. However I'm not entirely sure if that's a necessity as long as they are getting the advice from the right football people (which given Kenny is on the board, and we've been linked with getting advice from Dein and Barwick previously, is hopefully the case.)

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Out of interest which manager did he slag off?

Rafa.

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Not many sources these days after they turned turtle, it seems.

Their info from inside the club would be we haven't contacted him yet. Although that's probably a complete guess.

Any other info would need to come from Pako himself so nothing to do with the club and their sources within it.

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He is a good player, but signing him was terrible value for money.

Lallana in our 2014 team would have been wonderful. Actually exactly the signing we wanted, he made it clear he wanted to play for us and told United he didn't even want to talk to them.

Problem was he was on crutches when we got to Chicago and by the time he could play for us the team was not the team he'd signed for, every hop things will work out better for him next season, t wouldn't be the first time
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See the Echo is now going with the Pako only wants to be a number 1 story. Despite also saying there hasn't been an approach. Weirdness.
If Pako really wants to manage in England, at a high level, he'd probably do better coming back to Liverpool, it keeps him in the minds of others, if we improve he'll get credit and if things continue poorly it'll be Rodgers fault. And of course there is always the possibility he gets to be a caretaker manager if things go terrible by mid season, which allows him to make his case for the job in the biggest possible way.
Otherwise he'll get a lower league position, which can be impossible for even a top manager, or at best he'll wait until late and maybe get a firefighters job at a club battling relegation when other options aren't available. And even that is a long shot.
Of course that is just if he has his heart set on managing in England, I'm sure he could get offers elsewhere, but in England I doubt any top flight club would take the risk when you have the same old names to fall back on.
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