Author Topic: The unravelling. A team, manager and fans shafted by transfer incompetence (Read 585986 times)

PhaseOfPlay · « **Reply #6520 on:** April 30, 2015, 07:52:24 pm »

Quote from: conman on April 30, 2015, 07:51:25 pm

Not going to happen Pop, we've been over this already.

FSG won't fork out that sort of money. Rodgers doesn't have a choice either, the head scout did suggest Kale crisps, Pork scratchings and other forms of rations. Wenger nicked the pringles before we had a chance. We'll you know how it is, if you're not in early, you won't be getting the premium crisps. So they're not even on the table anymore.
You were right earlier, when you inferred that Rodgers didn't really get a say in the matter. He was told his options are Hula Hoops or Walkers sensations, which isn't much in the grand scheme of things, but they're alright I guess. He chose Hula Hoops as they might eventually deliver on their potential, he also wanted people to think a bit about em, you know, make em wonder what he's going to do.. he pondered putting two banks of 4 on his fingers and two up top on this thumbs or play a more cautious game by not really letting them out of the bag.

If i was him, i'd have held off and waited till xmas as that's when the good crisps come out again. The table would have be a plenty with them, all freely available, just waiting to be picked. We've used this strategy previously, if you remember & to great success. I don't know why he didn't chose it this year, maybe at that stage he already knew his turkey was cooked, so the timing probably wasn't right.

Chakan · « **Reply #6521 on:** April 30, 2015, 07:52:47 pm »

Read all that now I want crisps

Johns_Barn · « **Reply #6522 on:** April 30, 2015, 07:55:00 pm »

Quote from: decky on April 30, 2015, 04:16:04 pm

Shanks had won nothing as a manager when he was Rodgers' age and it was another 7 years before he did - and that was the second division title

At this rate Rodgers will get his chance to replicate that! [/sky fan since 1991]

Chakan · « **Reply #6523 on:** April 30, 2015, 08:01:59 pm »

Went and bought crisps.

Mumm-Ra · « **Reply #6524 on:** April 30, 2015, 08:04:14 pm »

Quote from: Chakan on April 30, 2015, 08:01:59 pm

Went and bought crisps.

Did you massively overpay?

Maggie May · « **Reply #6525 on:** April 30, 2015, 08:04:33 pm »

Quote from: Chakan on April 30, 2015, 08:01:59 pm

Went and bought crisps.

Ooooh you are headstrong.

Chakan · « **Reply #6526 on:** April 30, 2015, 08:04:57 pm »

Quote from: Mumm-Ra on April 30, 2015, 08:04:14 pm

Did you massively overpay?

Nope , then again it's the US so not the greatest quality and probably unheard of crisps.

Quote from: Maggie May on April 30, 2015, 08:04:33 pm

Ooooh you are headstrong.

When I want something I go out and get it.

Red Genius · « **Reply #6527 on:** April 30, 2015, 08:05:49 pm »

Quote from: Chakan on April 30, 2015, 07:52:47 pm

Read all that now I want crisps

Thats what Rodgers is saying right about now too, 'kin hell we need to get them fooking pringles in la'

conman · « **Reply #6528 on:** April 30, 2015, 08:06:55 pm »

Quote from: Red Genius on April 30, 2015, 08:05:49 pm

Thats what Rodgers is saying right about now too, 'kin hell we need to get them fooking pringles in la'

I bet he told Raheem to hold out for the better crisps too

Red Genius · « **Reply #6529 on:** April 30, 2015, 08:15:49 pm »

Quote from: conman on April 30, 2015, 08:06:55 pm

I bet he told Raheem to hold out for the better crisps too

As Ayre nips the corner shop for a 10p bag of space invaders on his push bike!

Red Genius · « **Reply #6530 on:** April 30, 2015, 08:21:48 pm »

Back on a serious note though, just give Brendan the autonomy this summer, give him the budget allow him to identify what he wants as he feels fit to move the squad forward, and then at least he'll live or die by his sword. Every dog and his bone will be able to say 'we're here as a result of your choices' - all this risk evasive bollocks in assembling a commitee i 'get' it from FSG perspective, but this is football - not baseball where you can number crunch, not your ordinary business. You give the man running the show the reigns and you let him determine his own fate.

Overcomplicating a process that need not be.

killer-heels · « **Reply #6531 on:** April 30, 2015, 08:23:53 pm »

Quote from: Red Genius on April 30, 2015, 08:21:48 pm

Back on a serious note though, just give Brendan the autonomy this summer, give him the budget allow him to identify what he wants as he feels fit to move the squad forward, and then at least he'll live or die by his sword. Every dog and his bone will be able to say 'we're here as a result of your choices' - all this risk evasive bollocks in assembling a commitee i 'get' it from FSG perspective, but this is football - not baseball where you can number crunch, not your ordinary business. You give the man running the show the reigns and you let him determine his own fate.

Overcomplicating a process that need not be.

What if he was the one who wanted most of these players?

L666KOP · « **Reply #6532 on:** April 30, 2015, 08:27:08 pm »

Quote from: Chakan on April 30, 2015, 08:04:57 pm

Nope , then again it's the US so not the greatest quality and probably unheard of crisps.

They might taste better after a couple of years in the cupboard ?

Chakan · « **Reply #6533 on:** April 30, 2015, 08:28:17 pm »

Quote from: L666KOP on April 30, 2015, 08:27:08 pm

They might taste better after a couple of years in the cupboard ?

Who knows how long they've been in the vending machine?

Draex · « **Reply #6534 on:** April 30, 2015, 08:28:31 pm »

Quote from: Red Genius on April 30, 2015, 08:21:48 pm

Back on a serious note though, just give Brendan the autonomy this summer, give him the budget allow him to identify what he wants as he feels fit to move the squad forward, and then at least he'll live or die by his sword. Every dog and his bone will be able to say 'we're here as a result of your choices' - all this risk evasive bollocks in assembling a commitee i 'get' it from FSG perspective, but this is football - not baseball where you can number crunch, not your ordinary business. You give the man running the show the reigns and you let him determine his own fate.

Overcomplicating a process that need not be.

Dempsey, Williams, Lallana, Borini, Lambert, Lovren, Allen - All Rodgers picks. No I wouldn't trust him to pick the right player, I'd certainly trust him to train the right one though.

Red Genius · « **Reply #6535 on:** April 30, 2015, 08:31:06 pm »

Quote from: killer_heels on April 30, 2015, 08:23:53 pm

What if he was the one who wanted most of these players?

And what if i wear frilly underwear at the weekend? Its incredibly unlikely mate...otherwise there would be no committee it would be Rodgers, scouts and Ayre negotiating contracts.

My interpretation is he does not control the direction of where we scout for our pool of player recruitment, that brief is directed from above his station.

Timbo's Goals · « **Reply #6536 on:** April 30, 2015, 08:31:33 pm »

Quote from: killer_heels on April 30, 2015, 08:23:53 pm

What if he was the one who wanted most of these players?

The problem lies not with the players we did get [Lambert and Balotelli apart] but with the ones we didn't get.

Namely at least one, preferably two quality mobile attackers capable of making runs that compel opposition defences to return their armchairs to the rest room, put out their fags and actually break sweat in order to contain us.

L666KOP · « **Reply #6537 on:** April 30, 2015, 08:31:45 pm »

Quote from: Chakan on April 30, 2015, 08:28:17 pm

Who knows how long they've been in the vending machine?

It all depends on how much you paid ?

Did you buy them, or were they bought for you ?

Chakan · « **Reply #6538 on:** April 30, 2015, 08:32:15 pm »

Quote from: L666KOP on April 30, 2015, 08:31:45 pm

It all depends on how much you paid ?

Did you buy them, or were they bought for you ?

Out of my own pocket, FSG I am not.

Red Genius · « **Reply #6539 on:** April 30, 2015, 08:35:52 pm »

Quote from: Draex on April 30, 2015, 08:28:31 pm

Dempsey, Williams, Lallana, Borini, Lambert, Lovren, Allen - All Rodgers picks. No I wouldn't trust him to pick the right player, I'd certainly trust him to train the right one though.

Thats not the point, the point is, what we have isnt in Brendans vision, its a mishmash.....give him the control - if it goes tits up, there's no ambiguity - his choices his outcome. This is no different from Roy and Gerard sharing the reigns eventually someone goes because its untenable, FSG chose him, FSG gave him the new contract, FSG have to trust him to make his own mistakes not take responsibility potentially for others.

If, you, i hell everybody on here would be furious if we got sacked because the tools given to us were the product of a compromised decision making process against expectations.

Draex · « **Reply #6540 on:** April 30, 2015, 08:38:58 pm »

Quote from: Red Genius on April 30, 2015, 08:35:52 pm

Thats not the point, the point is, what we have isnt in Brendans vision, its a mishmash.....give him the control - if it goes tits up, there's no ambiguity - his choices his outcome. This is no different from Roy and Gerard sharing the reigns eventually someone goes because its untenable, FSG chose him, FSG gave him the new contract, FSG have to trust him to make his own mistakes not take responsibility potentially for others.

Id, you, everybody on here would be furious if we got sacked because the tools given to us were the product of a compromised decision making process against expectations.

You said give him full control, I pointed out what our team would look like with said control.

Rodgers is an arrogant bugger, you can see it, new hair, new teeth, new waist, new bit on the side.. He thinks he's made it, he wants to be the Alex Ferguson, the whole control.. He's simply not ready for it, he will be one day, but for now he needs someone to reign him in and see his own philosophy as i can tell you know he's not playing it at the moment.

killer-heels · « **Reply #6541 on:** April 30, 2015, 08:40:51 pm »

Quote from: Timbo's Goals on April 30, 2015, 08:31:33 pm

The problem lies not with the players we did get [Lambert and Balotelli apart] but with the ones we didn't get.

Namely at least one, preferably two quality mobile attackers capable of making runs that compel opposition defences to return their armchairs to the rest room, put out their fags and actually break sweat in order to contain us.

But several of who we got didnt turn out great either.

The fact is we dont know who chose whom and who we rejected. Who knows whether Rodgers passed on more strikers than we were led to believe? Its all rumours and frankly even suggestions by people who supposedly have their behind the scenes info are all contradictory.

What we do know is that we have a committee that Rodgers is part of and that we have signed the wrong players that have fucked our season up. Whoever it was and whatever was wrong in terms of individually or collectively needs to be fixed whether that is a new system, Rodgers getting complete control or absolutely no control then so be it.

killer-heels · « **Reply #6542 on:** April 30, 2015, 08:42:52 pm »

Quote from: Red Genius on April 30, 2015, 08:31:06 pm

And what if i wear frilly underwear at the weekend? Its incredibly unlikely mate...otherwise there would be no committee it would be Rodgers, scouts and Ayre negotiating contracts.

My interpretation is he does not control the direction of where we scout for our pool of player recruitment, that brief is directed from above his station.

Dont we scout everywhere? Also we know he wanted Allen and Borini.

na fir dearg · « **Reply #6543 on:** April 30, 2015, 08:44:15 pm »

Quote from: Timbo's Goals on April 30, 2015, 08:31:33 pm

The problem lies not with the players we did get [Lambert and Balotelli apart] but with the ones we didn't get.

Namely at least one, preferably two quality mobile attackers capable of making runs that compel opposition defences to return their armchairs to the rest room, put out their fags and actually break sweat in order to contain us.

why didnt we get those players? Is it because Rodgers isnt able to attract big names as he is a bit unknown in Europe? Mourinho, Van Gaal dont have this problem it seems, Rafa was able to get in top talent as well

Anyone else see this as a problem for Rodgers? Its the one reason i would consider changing to Klopp

Red Genius · « **Reply #6544 on:** April 30, 2015, 08:49:10 pm »

Quote from: killer_heels on April 30, 2015, 08:42:52 pm

Dont we scout everywhere? Also we know he wanted Allen and Borini.

I genuinely have no idea where and how we scout, thats part of the problem, no? Yup and so if he wanted 5 Allens and 5 Borini's, what happens? He fails in his objectives and its clear why and who is responsible and he goes.

Its this opaque bollocks of nobody knowing who, what, where, when, how, why.....that makes it almost impossible to comprehend specifically where the issue is. If you are going to pay millions for somebody to manage a football club, let him bloody well manage it....then you can evaluate, strengths, weaknesses etc....

It will be no different if Klopp were here, or Rafa or anyone right now, there is no ultimate responsibility for football recruitment.

Mutton Geoff · « **Reply #6545 on:** April 30, 2015, 08:51:41 pm »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mwop-WIELI

Rawks own Groundhog Day Thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR7QUH8-9ME

Chakan · « **Reply #6546 on:** April 30, 2015, 08:53:24 pm »

Quote from: Mutton Geoff on April 30, 2015, 08:51:41 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mwop-WIELI

Rawks own Groundhog Day Thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR7QUH8-9ME

12Kings · « **Reply #6547 on:** April 30, 2015, 09:06:47 pm »

Ian ayre needs to be removed. He's way above his head at the club. That operation they have going on in the city centre is border line ridiculous.

Samie · « **Reply #6548 on:** April 30, 2015, 09:13:07 pm »

Quote from: 12Kings on April 30, 2015, 09:06:47 pm

Ian ayre needs to be removed. He's way above his head at the club. That operation they have going on in the city centre is border line ridiculous.

Who exactly is going to remove him other than John W Henry? And it seems he's kinda happy to let Ian Ayre do the day to day running of the club.

Red Genius · « **Reply #6549 on:** April 30, 2015, 09:18:04 pm »

I'm not even going to say what i feel about Ian 'im gonna fuck slap you in the' Ayre....he just needs to go.

apocalypse · « **Reply #6550 on:** April 30, 2015, 09:20:59 pm »

Quote from: na fir dearg on April 30, 2015, 08:44:15 pm

why didnt we get those players? Is it because Rodgers isnt able to attract big names as he is a bit unknown in Europe? Mourinho, Van Gaal dont have this problem it seems, Rafa was able to get in top talent as well

Anyone else see this as a problem for Rodgers? Its the one reason i would consider changing to Klopp

Even if we got Messi we'd be playing him at wingback and he would be shit

Red Genius · « **Reply #6551 on:** April 30, 2015, 09:23:53 pm »

Quote from: apocalypse on April 30, 2015, 09:20:59 pm

Even if we got Messi we'd be playing him at wingback and he would be shit

As we did with Luis? Get a grip mate....what an astonishing post of utter shite dribbling from your lips

apocalypse · « **Reply #6552 on:** April 30, 2015, 09:26:12 pm »

Quote from: Red Genius on April 30, 2015, 09:23:53 pm

As we did with Luis? Get a grip mate....what an astonishing post of utter shite dribbling from your lips

Just adding my 2lbs. Every day it's the same arguments, don't you lot get tired?

Red Genius · « **Reply #6553 on:** April 30, 2015, 09:30:23 pm »

Your 2 cents aren't worth the moments you bothered to scribble them...here's a fabulously novel idea, add something to the convo to take it forward. Yeah?

Carlito Roberto · « **Reply #6554 on:** April 30, 2015, 09:33:13 pm »

Quote from: na fir dearg on April 30, 2015, 08:44:15 pm

why didnt we get those players? Is it because Rodgers isnt able to attract big names as he is a bit unknown in Europe? Mourinho, Van Gaal dont have this problem it seems, Rafa was able to get in top talent as well

Anyone else see this as a problem for Rodgers? Its the one reason i would consider changing to Klopp

Whilst that plays a part, it's mainly down the Benjamins. FSG won't pay the market rate for top quality hence the reason we never get top quality. And before you mention Suarez, his contract when he signed was £50k a week.

apocalypse · « **Reply #6555 on:** April 30, 2015, 10:00:11 pm »

Quote from: Red Genius on April 30, 2015, 09:30:23 pm

Your 2 cents aren't worth the moments you bothered to scribble them...here's a fabulously novel idea, add something to the convo to take it forward. Yeah?

2lbs of shit, not cents. And this conversation has went forward, back and around.

You aren't the first or 20th person to propose a collective decision making process, pops.

Red Genius · « **Reply #6556 on:** April 30, 2015, 10:16:43 pm »

Quote from: apocalypse on April 30, 2015, 10:00:11 pm

2lbs of shit, not cents. And this conversation has went forward, back and around.

You aren't the first or 20th person to propose a collective decision making process, pops.

Propose a collective decision making process? Are you short of sight mate?

Miltonred · « **Reply #6557 on:** April 30, 2015, 10:29:53 pm »

Quote from: Red Genius on April 30, 2015, 08:49:10 pm

I genuinely have no idea where and how we scout, thats part of the problem, no? Yup and so if he wanted 5 Allens and 5 Borini's, what happens? He fails in his objectives and its clear why and who is responsible and he goes.

Its this opaque bollocks of nobody knowing who, what, where, when, how, why.....that makes it almost impossible to comprehend specifically where the issue is. If you are going to pay millions for somebody to manage a football club, let him bloody well manage it....then you can evaluate, strengths, weaknesses etc....

It will be no different if Klopp were here, or Rafa or anyone right now, there is no ultimate responsibility for football recruitment.

I don't buy that you can't hold Brendan accountable because he may or may not be deciding on the transfers. Put it aside and ask how has he performed in the areas he does unequivocally control?

Lambert and Balotelli scored 18 and 14 goals for their respective teams last year. Why haven't we got eve close to that return from either of them? Brendan has control over that doesn't he?

Raheem Sterling despite being a regular at a fragile age, and offered a 100k a week, does an interview plainly angling for a move and filled with side swipes at Brendan and the way he has been treated. Our first genuinely world class youth product in years, and he seemingly can't stand the boss. Brendan has control of that surely?

And there are positives, a 3 month unbeaten run, a new record for consecutive clean sheets away from home. 5th place with a goal scoring problem.

Twitter.com · « **Reply #6558 on:** April 30, 2015, 10:37:53 pm »

Is Dominic King still reliable nowadays?

"Rodgers will now step up attempts to sign a new striker this summer to challenge Sturridge on a regular basis. PSV Eindhoven’s Memphis Depay is their No 1 target and the Holland international seems keen on moving to Anfield."

Caston · « **Reply #6559 on:** April 30, 2015, 10:40:33 pm »

Quote from: Bonsky on April 30, 2015, 10:37:53 pm

Is Dominic King still reliable nowadays?

"Rodgers will now step up attempts to sign a new striker this summer to challenge Sturridge on a regular basis. PSV Eindhoven’s Memphis Depay is their No 1 target and the Holland international seems keen on moving to Anfield."

Andy Hunter reported the same too