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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #40 on: September 4, 2014, 06:23:22 pm »
I'm sure she'll understand because, as she is your fiancée, she must know what your priorities are in life. It's the same the other way too - for you to choose the job over NY you obviously know she's not the kind of person to leave you for doing so. Good luck.
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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #41 on: September 4, 2014, 07:08:55 pm »
Much easier finding a job than it's finding love.

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And as the Professor would say, go "see about the girl" mate. ;)

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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #43 on: September 4, 2014, 07:41:02 pm »
Whos to say greater opportunities won't arise in New York? They will!

Get your ass to New York

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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #44 on: September 4, 2014, 07:41:42 pm »
Take the job, it's what you want (reading between the lines).
You've already said it won't make the two of you separate, though she'll obviously not be too happy about it. You've also mentioned that you're in a long distance relationship, so you've both probably put up and dealt with issues that relate to that challenge. By now you should both know how the other deals and copes with pressure and stress. So if you feel that taking the job won't end your relationship (though one never truly knows!), you best go for it.

The last thing you want is to go to NYC and spend the next few years resentful of the opportunity you "sacrificed" for her. It'll be in the back of your mind during every single argument you'll ever have with her. So if you do decide to go to NYC, you have to be fully commited to that choice and not have regret building up inside of you. And quite frankly, it looks like you're edging to the job option and are trying to find a counter argument (or for posters to persuade you) to go to NYC.

If I may ask, is she unable/unwilling to shift down South with you? And additionally, how long were you both together in the same location, in this relationship? Sometimes long distance relationships tend not to be as "perfect" as you'd think when couples actually do get to share their daily routines with their partners.

edit: You've dated her long enough, and have already classified her as a "future fiance" (whatever that means?! ;) ). The fact you're still considering taking the job should tell you a lot about what you really seem to feel , as opposed to what you think you should feel. Or, it may mean that you know her well enough to know she'll accept your choice, but probably won't be too happy. Either way, don't keep second guessing yourself.
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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #45 on: September 4, 2014, 07:43:43 pm »
The girl. Always the girl.
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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #46 on: September 4, 2014, 07:57:22 pm »
just an observation

you have to ask a room full of strangers about choosing job or woman

suggests to me the love element may not be 100% on your part

Maybe im wrong

(then again, Im twice divorced, I see the world differently)

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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #47 on: September 4, 2014, 08:14:26 pm »
If you really love her then you should go to NYC. If she is the love of your life then you never know if an opportunity to meet someone like her rise again, whereas no matter how shit the job market is, somehow you'll stumble across similar jobs especially if you're young.
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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #48 on: September 4, 2014, 08:16:02 pm »
All you need is love.

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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #49 on: September 4, 2014, 08:19:10 pm »
Talk to her face to face about it.


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« Reply #50 on: September 4, 2014, 08:19:31 pm »
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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #51 on: September 4, 2014, 08:20:52 pm »
New York.

Family trumps work. I'd rather work a crappy job and be married to my wife than have an incredible job and be without her.

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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #52 on: September 4, 2014, 08:22:48 pm »
Am I going to be the first one to say it... Take the job offer - if your relationship wilters because of it then it can't be true love can it? What happens if you split up within a short time frame? You'll regret not taking the job.

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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #53 on: September 4, 2014, 08:25:19 pm »
If you take the job and break up with the girl because of it you might regret the job for the rest of your life, it's exactly the same.


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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #54 on: September 4, 2014, 08:38:41 pm »
I love her very very deeply and I know she's the woman I want to marry. But It's also important for one to have self esteem and to respect himself. If You don't have this then you are entering dangerous territory in my opinion

You've answered your own question a few times in this thread, but the above quote says a lot - you want to marry her, you should go and be with her.  Job opportunities come along from time to time and some, however good they may seem, you have to turn down - but another opportunity always comes along.

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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #55 on: September 4, 2014, 08:55:45 pm »
Am I going to be the first one to say it... Take the job offer - if your relationship wilters because of it then it can't be true love can it? What happens if you split up within a short time frame? You'll regret not taking the job.

I have to say I think I agree. There's obviously a case for both arguments but if the job offer is this good then think of all the opportunities and doors that it may open, the people that you'll subsequently meet. If you go to New York will you regret not taking the job? If you take the job will you regret not going to New York? The question is which one will you regret the most, there's your answer. If it's meant to be she will understand anyway...

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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #56 on: September 4, 2014, 08:58:30 pm »
The key question is: will you get laid if you stay for the job?  If so, go for the job. If not, go for the girl!
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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #57 on: September 4, 2014, 08:59:37 pm »
Work is just work, you are nothing but a replaceable number. The amount of people I've seen put the job first only to be shit upon from a great height by the company when it suited them, I would never ever put work above love.
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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #58 on: September 4, 2014, 09:05:29 pm »
you will learn later in life that money does not make you happy. Love will. If she is the one then go get her mate. If your with the right person then you could live in a cardboard box and be happy. Money is fuck all, go get the girl my friend.
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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #59 on: September 4, 2014, 09:14:20 pm »
you will learn later in life that money does not make you happy. Love will. If she is the one then go get her mate. If your with the right person then you could live in a cardboard box and be happy. Money is fuck all, go get the girl my friend.
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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #60 on: September 4, 2014, 09:28:26 pm »
Depends on the job and the person though.

You can stay with the girl and then have regrets and resent her for letting an opportunity go. That's unhealthy for a relationship. As other said, if it's a real thing you got with this lady, then is some time apart really going to ruin the relationship? If it does, is the relationship that strong to begin with?

Ultimately while you might just be a number at a certain job, a relationship can end just as quick and you won't even get severance pay. This isn't me being a cynic, it's just a fact. You might be in the happiest relationship today, but be single tomorrow. And then what?

If your relationship with this girl is strong, she will understand that you need to take this opportunity not just for yourself and your natural need for self determination, but also for the future of your family with her.

or...money doesn't make you happy.go get the girl.if it is true love it is hard to find.go for it.You can earn a poor wage and be happy with the right person.no job will truly make you happy.you could be stinking rich in an amasing job and be unhappy because you've no love.go get the girl mate, you wont regret it
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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #61 on: September 4, 2014, 09:44:52 pm »
I think the question (or thread title) now for you is "job and love, or just job".

You will obviously call her and discuss this job offer and she can react in basically 2 ways.

Can she relocate to you?

Without knowing enough background, it's hard to give advice.
It feels to me that you kind of know you're gonna take the job.
Only time will tell if it was the right decision; as was said before. If your relationship
Was "more established", there wouldn't even be a thread.
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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #62 on: September 4, 2014, 09:45:35 pm »
Why does job/career only equal money? Being good or great at something is very satisfying in itself. Yes, to a job you could be replaceable, and just a number, but this isn't just an investment in a job, it's an investment in a career, and thus an investment in yourself, and in your family.

well it doesn't i suppose. Doesnt take away from the fact that he should IMO go for the girl. Know far too many people who are unhappy because they invested too much time in their jobs and now have little or no life.I have a decent job,its a decent career,best opportunities ive had in my life job wise,but id give it up in an instant to be with my girlfriend.A job is just  job,it pays the bills. True Love is everything
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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #63 on: September 4, 2014, 09:51:50 pm »
Depends on the person mate, no doubt. Your viewpoint works for you, mine is a bit different.

Poor original poster :D

no I agree with you, each to their own and all that I suppose.Hence IMO :) I dunno,i just think a career is all well and good but I know id be far happier with the person I love being close to me and in my life
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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #64 on: September 4, 2014, 09:53:01 pm »
If this job is as big as you make it out to be, and you are questioning which you should go for, means you want to go for your girl. if the job isn't that big, and you have exaggerated for point, then you want the job.

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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #65 on: September 4, 2014, 10:25:14 pm »
life vs money by the sound of things
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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #66 on: September 4, 2014, 10:40:51 pm »
There is no great overarching right or wrong that can guide you / anyone with these things. It's a case by case basis, and per usual, only you have all the details. Getting advice off people going off generalities like love v money is a recipe for trouble, no matter how well intentioned it is, no offence to those wanting to help.

I don't think you require much clarity anyway. As a couple of guys have already identified, the tone seems to be you want the job down south. Main thing is talk to her, listen to her, see if an arrangement can be found, you seem to have your head screwed on, and you are right of course about not wanting to go back to a place where job / financial security is a problem again.
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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #67 on: September 4, 2014, 11:09:52 pm »
if its true love theres only one answer
you may never get a chance again
and that is the truth

if its not move on
dont waste your time,or hers
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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #68 on: September 4, 2014, 11:22:54 pm »
Take the job!!!


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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #69 on: September 5, 2014, 07:16:42 am »
Why do you have to go to NY? Why doesn't she move to the UK?
Would she be prepared to do that? Does she value the relationship enough to move ?
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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #70 on: September 5, 2014, 08:17:22 am »
Take the job mate. Your options are:

1) Significant career progress, short term upset GF, delayed trip to nice city of NY(which will come later anyway!); or

2) Trip to nice City to have a few months with the GF, pass up on an opportunity which may not come up again.

It's 1 all day long mate. If it was a relationship breaker then perhaps go to NY, but you've said its not, so don't go.

Think of the amazing things you can do with the extra career progression money when you're older, better than a quick trip to NY

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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #71 on: September 5, 2014, 08:31:36 am »
I'd go to New York, I don't know what you do but surely there's lots of opportunities there in your line of work!

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« Reply #72 on: September 5, 2014, 09:22:35 am »
Type in "The Slap Anouk episode" into google and watch that an award winning piece of tv about our situation.

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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #73 on: September 5, 2014, 09:26:57 am »
You've got your whole life to work. Family and happiness come first, especially in the temporary life we live.

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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #74 on: September 5, 2014, 09:31:34 am »
The choice is yours; but have been in the same situation - the only advice or reflection I would do is :

Life is full of choices and you have to create your own success/future/happiness.. When you have done the choice; then move on and don't sink into a feeling where the original choice determines your next and your drive..

Regardless of your choice; you can always have a next great job/career; another girl or maybe you would have to work extremely hard to win her back and go for both the job and the girl..
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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #75 on: September 5, 2014, 10:20:44 am »
Based on my experience in psychology (which is the square root of fuck all) I think you're leaning more towards the job opportunity at the moment, but feel guilty about the situation with your fiance. That's at odds with everybody else, but if he was wanting to go through with New York totally this thread wouldn't even be in existence.

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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #76 on: September 5, 2014, 01:40:27 pm »
Perspective:

I took a step away from this thread last night but was reading each reply. The insight some of you have is brilliant and has really helped me to hold up a mirror to myself. I always knew RAWK was full of smart, insightful people, but I didn't realise until 2600+ posts just how impressive this forum is. Posting this thread was really helpful on my multiple levels.

Of course it's impossible for me to share every single piece of information about my particular situation, so some of you are going to reach conclusions that are perfectly valid based on the information I provided, but which I know in my heart are just wrong.

I have realised from the responses that one's reponse to the questions I pose are all down to a matter of perspective. If you have experienced career success, have zero problem finding the next gig, or don't have people in your life who are dependent on you (from kids to elderly parents who have given everything for you but have no pension, etc), then you will obviously tilt towards saying "screw it, go to New York, you can always get a new job but love doesn't come round every day". Maybe if you have always yearned for love but enjoyed career and work success, you will again say go to New York.

On the flip side, if you are lucky enough to enjoy or know what it's like to enjoy a secure and loving relationship, then you will probably say "if your relationship is strong enough, then she will support you and it will survive the tough times ahead".

We all come from a different perspective, and I think that shapes our fundamental viewpoint and perspective on life.

Further Information:

My other half gave up her job in the USA to move over and be with me in the UK for a year. I always felt she was being hasty and for personal reasons, didn't feel the time was right. She bulldozed her way over here a bit as she is emotional in that sense and I was not strong enough to stand up to it at the time. She came into a fraught situation for me personally and career wise, and things didn't go so smoothly on the family front. In many senses, I felt stripped of my pride as I was forced to confront a few issues in my life. I find it difficult to go into further detail and it's probably not necessary, but suffice to say there is complexity here.

The one thing I am in no doubt over is I love her dearly. She does honestly drive me a bit crazy at times and stifles my space a bit. But maybe a combination of this being a female trait and a typical male trait being to retreat into their cave, this is not so unusual. She also tolerates my distant side at times, and has shown me a different way of thinking that has warmed my heart. I go about my day with the absolute security that there is a woman in my life that loves me almost unconditionally, and I would like to think that I give that to her too. I am careful in my speech with her and have always held her hand in the many difficult situations she has encountered in our relationship, from dealing with my frosty family, a difficult move, emotional issues (we all have them!) and other personal stuff. I visit the States as often as I can and have stretched myself financially in this relationship. But it's worth it as I know we give eachother something that is difficult to find in life, and probably something that other could never understand. We fell in love before we had even met, and I can truly say that she is a blessing in my life.

I think I have established that we both love eachother and so any decision I make would not be through any lack of love for her, or vice versa. This is a relationship where both of us have made huge sacrifice to get to where we are now. So you can see why this is a huge 50/50 decision for me.

Conclusion / Good Intention:

As some of you have correctly alluded to, if our relationship is strong enough, then it will survive the rigours and pressures that will come from having to make the tough, honest, well intentioned choices that we all face in life.

I think it's important to always be honest with oneself and have the strength and conviction to make the tough choices for long term benefit.

I aspire to be the type of person who will always try to filter my personal choices through good intention. Look through my posts and you may also see some evidence of personal growth. I was more sweary, offensive and stupid when I first came onto these forums. I have learnt to appreciate that the mods on here have a tough job to do, and don't need idiots ruining the experience. Sometimes it takes time and a few tough lessons to let the penny drop. I think we call this growing up. Mature, intelligent, well intentioned, humorous discussion is what these forums should be about, and I see a lot of good on here.

I am going to speak my other half tonight and be honest with her. Let's see where this takes us. Either way, I will let you guys know. This is the first time I have shared a slice of my life on here with everyone, and I hope it helps someone else who might encounter a situation of a similar nature. Thanks again - this forum is brilliant. Mario Balotelli is our messiah. Peace out.
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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #77 on: September 5, 2014, 03:55:48 pm »
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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #78 on: September 5, 2014, 04:30:29 pm »
NY. Aren't you comfortable enough to survive?

This is just me here, but i'm not too arsed about money. Some people love money, so when there almost dead they can have lots of money in an account but nobody by there bedside to share there last breath with, but it's okay cos they'll be a rich dead man, and who doesn't want that.

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Re: Job or love ... Please help me
« Reply #79 on: September 5, 2014, 04:55:17 pm »
I was going to say talk to her about your dilema and that will provide your answer.
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