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[davidlpool1982]

To my mind we started playing the side that was put in front of us and stopped playing "The Merseyside Derby." and all that that entails. Obviously we approached the start of the game knowing it would be keenly contested and what it meant, but the team just played the 11 blokes on the pitch wearing blue, not the crowd and not "the occasion".  We the fans can enjoy the occasion, but it doesn't help the team to get too caught up in it.

I think, by and large, Everton are still playing the occasion, and that's why they haven't done so well this century.  Obviously it's a bit of a vicious circle, the fewer wins you get the more it means to you, the more hyped you get and the less able you are to focus and play the way you normally do which means you're less likely to win. And so on.

...doesn't help when you're utterly shit as well.

I bet the Man City players and fans had a similar approach to United games though. Neville is looking at it going from the dominant side in the relationship to the other. Of course United didn't bother until a few days before, City were shit. United had leagues and European trophies to try and win. To City, much like our blue neighbours, it was everything. When you are always behind your neighbours, a chance to knock them down a peg or two become an obsession. You still see it in the City fans today, even with the fact they are now the dominant team in Manchester they still care more about the league and beating United than they seem to about the Champions League (Guardiola and the Club couldn't give a toss about the Derby and are obsessed with the CL). Even if Everton were to find a magic lamp and through magic and witchcraft become better than us consistently, I think they'd still see the Derby as "the" Game like the City fans do. It's just ingrained at this point.

[MakeUsDreamAgain]

I know it's easy to discount Everton as genuine rivals given our dominance over them but they still are our biggest rivals. Wait to see how much it hurts if/when they win a trophy again or they even manage to beat us at Anfield.

Winning at Anfield would be a trophy in itself for them, wouldn't it? Even without winning.

[CraigDS]

Joyce saying Dosh la' has boosted his holding in Everton to 60 odd percent from 49.9, obviously a big cash injection from their ghost owner in the Ural mountains.

Joyce...

"Farhad Moshiri increases his control in Everton from 49.9percent to 68.6percent. That will increase to 77.2percent no later than July 2019. He had been in talks to acquire shares from Bill Kenwright and Jon Woods."

Then clarified and said "Moshiri likely to have bought out Jon Woods and Arthur Abercromby completely. Bill Kenwright will have some of his shares, but will retain 5pc holding."

[disgraced cake]

Where I disagree is about the importance of the game. For me, if I could choose any game to win in a season it would be Everton away. Followed by Everton at home. They aren't our rival for any trophy but on paper it's still the biggest game for me. Followed by the United game after that. No other club comes close to those 2. I find it mad that people get riled or upset about Chelsea, City, Arsenal or Spurs. I couldn't care less about those teams. In terms of long term rivalries at least. They are challengers for the trophies we want to win, in the same way that Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern Munich are.

I know it's easy to discount Everton as genuine rivals given our dominance over them but they still are our biggest rivals. Wait to see how much it hurts if/when they win a trophy again or they even manage to beat us at Anfield.

Nailed it. I still love winning the derby even though the last 15 years or so it hasn't been 'the same' - That being said we've had loads of great fucking wins against them in that time. The 2-1 before we won the European Cup, Dirk's pens for the Motherfume, Wembley, the 4-0s, Mane etc. They're all great, even that moody 1-0 where Torres scored early on.

It is our biggest game, no doubt, it always was. That being said, these days, when you get the result against them, most people just feel relief, it's like that for me and likely most people who live here. Our record in the fixture is almost unbelievable at the minute, even though they're really, really shite. A particular shout I always hear from them before a derby is about how our team lacks the local presence to beat them. Funny how we always do like.

[So… Howard Philips]

To my mind we started playing the side that was put in front of us and stopped playing "The Merseyside Derby." and all that that entails. Obviously we approached the start of the game knowing it would be keenly contested and what it meant, but the team just played the 11 blokes on the pitch wearing blue, not the crowd and not "the occasion".  We the fans can enjoy the occasion, but it doesn't help the team to get too caught up in it.

I think, by and large, Everton are still playing the occasion, and that's why they haven't done so well this century.  Obviously it's a bit of a vicious circle, the fewer wins you get the more it means to you, the more hyped you get and the less able you are to focus and play the way you normally do which means you're less likely to win. And so on.

...doesn't help when you're utterly shit as well.

Rafa summed up the professional versus the over hyped occasion when he took off Gerrard, who was getting sucked into the hype, and brought on the neutral Lucas to calm things down.

Everton, on the other hand, would have brought on another clogged, preferably a local like that yard dog Ledson, to cripple one of ours.

[soxfan]

Joyce...

"Farhad Moshiri increases his control in Everton from 49.9percent to 68.6percent. That will increase to 77.2percent no later than July 2019. He had been in talks to acquire shares from Bill Kenwright and Jon Woods."

Then clarified and said "Moshiri likely to have bought out Jon Woods and Arthur Abercromby completely. Bill Kenwright will have some of his shares, but will retain 5pc holding."

77.2% of 800 billion. All to be spent on transfers. Oh my.

There's an Everton tidal wave coming, and Redshite are merely a pebble on the beach.

[cissesbeard]

Nailed it. I still love winning the derby even though the last 15 years or so it hasn't been 'the same' - That being said we've had loads of great fucking wins against them in that time. The 2-1 before we won the European Cup, Dirk's pens for the Motherfume, Wembley, the 4-0s, Mane etc. They're all great, even that moody 1-0 where Torres scored early on.

It is our biggest game, no doubt, it always was. That being said, these days, when you get the result against them, most people just feel relief, it's like that for me and likely most people who live here. Our record in the fixture is almost unbelievable at the minute, even though they're really, really shite. A particular shout I always hear from them before a derby is about how our team lacks the local presence to beat them. Funny how we always do like.

its definitely relief for me when the game is out of the way. by the law of averages they will win one sooner or later but every time the game starts i have that sick feeling in my stomach.

[FiSh77]

Joyce...

"Farhad Moshiri increases his control in Everton from 49.9percent to 68.6percent. That will increase to 77.2percent no later than July 2019. He had been in talks to acquire shares from Bill Kenwright and Jon Woods."

Then clarified and said "Moshiri likely to have bought out Jon Woods and Arthur Abercromby completely. Bill Kenwright will have some of his shares, but will retain 5pc holding."

Thought Usmanov was supposed to be coming?

[newterp]

Thought Usmanov was supposed to be coming?

who do you think funded Moshri's increased control? duh!!

get with the program.

[Kekule]

Thought Usmanov was supposed to be coming?

I imagine the line from our blue friends will be…

“Where do you think Moshiri got that money, eh lad?  Usmanov give it him. He’s not silly enough to buy the club in his own name, as that will drive up asking prices for all those world class players we’re going to buy in January.”

Or some other conspiracy bollocks.

[FiSh77]

I imagine the line from our blue friends will be…

“Where do you think Moshiri got that money, eh lad?  Usmanov give it him. He’s not silly enough to buy the club in his own name, as that will drive up asking prices for all those world class players we’re going to buy in January.”

Or some other conspiracy bollocks.

newterp's beat them to it

[Son of Spion]

I agree about the late 90's being the turning point for the Derby match and how it felt. To be fair, they dominated the Derby for a good while. The 'Dogs of War' era for them was then they last had success. Roy Evans and his squad just couldn't handle their aggression. I think it's this success with those tactics that make Evertonian's want the blood and thunder approach now.

As a Red I know that period in the mid to late 90's was a nightmare. Seeing them beat or drew against us all the time, and out battle us on the pitch was hard to take. Evertonian's got used to coming out on top on Derby days. At the same time they had very little else to shout about. It became their escape from relegation battles and bottom half finishes.

Once we got Houllier in charge and we were more physical, but also technically better, we started to dominate them. That was carried on by Rafa. We basically stripped away the one big thing that they drew some joy from season on season. I think that hurt Everton fans even though as a team they improved massively under Moyes. That's where the atmosphere around derby games really changed for me. I also think at this time Moyes played up to this with the 'People' Club' bit. Again it gave them something to hold onto, something to have a dig at us about.

Under Moyes they had their best period since the late 80's. He improved them massively. They just got beat by us a lot and we seemed to out do them even in their best moments. They come 4th, which was a brilliant achievement with the squad we had. We win the Champion's League. It's no wonder they don't like us and why the hatred for us has festered since the late 90's until now. There's Everton fans in their 20's and 30's that just really remember us beating them. That must be hard for them to take and it's resulted in the bile that some of them throw out there.

Where I disagree is about the importance of the game. For me, if I could choose any game to win in a season it would be Everton away. Followed by Everton at home. They aren't our rival for any trophy but on paper it's still the biggest game for me. Followed by the United game after that. No other club comes close to those 2. I find it mad that people get riled or upset about Chelsea, City, Arsenal or Spurs. I couldn't care less about those teams. In terms of long term rivalries at least. They are challengers for the trophies we want to win, in the same way that Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern Munich are.

I know it's easy to discount Everton as genuine rivals given our dominance over them but they still are our biggest rivals. Wait to see how much it hurts if/when they win a trophy again or they even manage to beat us at Anfield.

Nice post.

Ah yes, the 90s. Back then I was an outreach care worker and spent much of that time working for a family of blues. All lovely people. I remember being well miffed after many a Derby back then because I could never turn up with a grin on my face. 😞

I'd not like to give the impression that the Derby result doesn't matter to me. It matters a lot. I mean the occasion itself means nothing now. I just want it out of the way asap and with a Liverpool win. I feel the occasion has been destroyed, but my desire to beat them is as strong as it's ever been.

Two games I can't stomach Losing is these and United. It's just that, as an occasion, I feel the Derby is now dead. Younger people may not see it the same way, of course. I suppose I remember it the way it was and feel the current incarnation of it is a bit of a cesspit.

[Charlie Adams fried egg]

Always want to beat them, but can't be arsed with all the bile that accompanies the fixture now.

When I was growing up it always seemed to be neck and neck in terms of total wins.
Now it's 40% Liverpool wins, 32% draws and 28% Everton wins.
That's wins in the traditional sense of accepting the final score as the result, and scoring more goals than the opposition equating to a win.

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

Same as winning any other game, you get 3 points. The only fixtures that stand out for me are the Utd games.

[Hazell]

Joyce...

"Farhad Moshiri increases his control in Everton from 49.9percent to 68.6percent. That will increase to 77.2percent no later than July 2019. He had been in talks to acquire shares from Bill Kenwright and Jon Woods."

Then clarified and said "Moshiri likely to have bought out Jon Woods and Arthur Abercromby completely. Bill Kenwright will have some of his shares, but will retain 5pc holding."

As long as Kieth Harris and Orville are still there, then that's all that matters.

[DonkeyWan]

Joyce...

"Farhad Moshiri increases his control in Everton from 49.9percent to 68.6percent. That will increase to 77.2percent no later than July 2019. He had been in talks to acquire shares from Bill Kenwright and Jon Woods."

Then clarified and said "Moshiri likely to have bought out Jon Woods and Arthur Abercromby completely. Bill Kenwright will have some of his shares, but will retain 5pc holding."

Sky suggesting that it's about funding for the stadium and Everton appear to have sourced investment for the next stage.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11495156/farhad-moshiri-becomes-evertons-majority-shareholder-after-increasing-shares

[bird_lfc]

Has ‘ricky’ Received his player of the year trophy yet?

Admittedly a great debut for Brazil for him. Keep up this form and he’ll be out of the stepping stone that is Everton in no time at all

[Crosby Nick]

Morrissey is refereeing now?

He booked a Chelsea player for simulation last week.

Willian, it was really nothing.

[Ziltoid]

He booked a Chelsea player for simulation last week.

Willian, it was really nothing.

Deary me! 

[Qston]

I agree about the late 90's being the turning point for the Derby match and how it felt. To be fair, they dominated the Derby for a good while. The 'Dogs of War' era for them was then they last had success. Roy Evans and his squad just couldn't handle their aggression. I think it's this success with those tactics that make Evertonian's want the blood and thunder approach now.

As a Red I know that period in the mid to late 90's was a nightmare. Seeing them beat or drew against us all the time, and out battle us on the pitch was hard to take. Evertonian's got used to coming out on top on Derby days. At the same time they had very little else to shout about. It became their escape from relegation battles and bottom half finishes.

Once we got Houllier in charge and we were more physical, but also technically better, we started to dominate them. That was carried on by Rafa. We basically stripped away the one big thing that they drew some joy from season on season. I think that hurt Everton fans even though as a team they improved massively under Moyes. That's where the atmosphere around derby games really changed for me. I also think at this time Moyes played up to this with the 'People' Club' bit. Again it gave them something to hold onto, something to have a dig at us about.

Under Moyes they had their best period since the late 80's. He improved them massively. They just got beat by us a lot and we seemed to out do them even in their best moments. They come 4th, which was a brilliant achievement with the squad we had. We win the Champion's League. It's no wonder they don't like us and why the hatred for us has festered since the late 90's until now. There's Everton fans in their 20's and 30's that just really remember us beating them. That must be hard for them to take and it's resulted in the bile that some of them throw out there.

Where I disagree is about the importance of the game. For me, if I could choose any game to win in a season it would be Everton away. Followed by Everton at home. They aren't our rival for any trophy but on paper it's still the biggest game for me. Followed by the United game after that. No other club comes close to those 2. I find it mad that people get riled or upset about Chelsea, City, Arsenal or Spurs. I couldn't care less about those teams. In terms of long term rivalries at least. They are challengers for the trophies we want to win, in the same way that Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern Munich are.

I know it's easy to discount Everton as genuine rivals given our dominance over them but they still are our biggest rivals. Wait to see how much it hurts if/when they win a trophy again or they even manage to beat us at Anfield.

Agree with all of this. The last 20 years or so has been disheartening if I am honest. I remember the feeling around the time of the 86 cup final and the fact that it was essentially a scouse celebration rather than some bitter rivalry of hatred. Fans would very genuinely mix together and you never really saw any trouble at all, quite the reverse. It is a great shame that their younger supporters don`t know what it was like back in the day and that whilst there was clearly rivalry, it was just that little bit friendlier as everyone had the unspoken understanding that we are all from the same area and that ultimately that is what counted. I thought things may go back to the way they were with relatively recent displays of unity when it came to Hillsborough, but very quickly it reverted back to type. Two of my closest friends were and are blues. One has sadly passed away but both were and are able to have a proper 'footy catch up' without any bitterness. In fact one of them gave up his season ticket a few years ago because he had had enough of the toxic atmosphere at Everton. That wasn`t the only factor, but it was one of the main ones.

It is the derby and they are games I want to win every season. They are the first games I look for when the fixture list comes out. It doesn't however mean that there is this weird hatred there.

[Crosby Nick]

Deary me! 

Oh I’m sorry.

[Son of Spion]

Sky suggesting that it's about funding for the stadium and Everton appear to have sourced investment for the next stage.

And what actually is the next stage? A drawing of this 'new stadium' perhaps?

[Dench57]

Could use some Meady-esque photoshop offerings for the new bluenose stadium lads. Swap the Ian Ayre inspiration for Moshi la and Dunkin Donuts for Angry Birds I reckon.

[Ziltoid]

Shame those designs weren't followed through

[Fitzy.]

Those designs are ridiculous. Next you'll be trying to convince me that you could build a 60,000 capacity stadium near a sewage works on the River Mersey that's paid for by the council that will house a mid-to-lower Premier League club that hasn't tasted success for a quarter of a century.

[moondog]

Those designs are ridiculous. Next you'll be trying to convince me that you could build a 60,000 capacity stadium near a sewage works on the River Mersey that's paid for by the council that will house a mid-to-lower Premier League club that hasn't tasted success for a quarter of a century.

If you build it they will come....
And boo

[gazzam1963]

A poster on GOT claims they have a 10k season ticket list , I live , work , know lots of blues in the city and ive never known one to not get a ticket for a game at home never ever heard anyone say they have a season ticket in someone elses name , never heard of one that shares one due to struggling to get a ticket and I've certainly never heard a single one say there on the waiting list .

[Peabee]

A poster on GOT claims they have a 10k season ticket list , I live , work , know lots of blues in the city and ive never known one to not get a ticket for a game at home never ever heard anyone say they have a season ticket in someone elses name , never heard of one that shares one due to struggling to get a ticket and I've certainly never heard a single one say there on the waiting list .

It’s a list of 10k people wanting to sell their ST.

[Davidbowie]

Considering in the past few years they've given away tickets with packs of Chang Beer, given away tickets with mobile phone contracts and advertised tickets on local radio in addition to doing half-season tickets - that argument simply doesn't wash.

Any blue spouting that nonsense is deluded.

[newterp]

Considering in the past few years they've given away tickets with packs of Chang Beer, given away tickets with mobile phone contracts and advertised tickets on local radio in addition to doing half-season tickets - that argument simply doesn't wash.

Any blue spouting that nonsense is deluded.

I agree

[Dench57]

Kids also go free, but only when used as a weapon

[4pool]

Wonder if Everton, Moshi la, splurged to pay for Richarlison to be on the private jet along with our lads and Willian?

Or did he come back via commercial airlines in coach?

[FiSh77]

Wonder if Everton, Moshi la, splurged to pay for Richarlison to be on the private jet along with our lads and Willian?

Or did he come back via commercial airlines in coach?

was on the private jet but moshi wouldn't pay for it, had to bunk in the cargo hold then chucked the driver some slummy when he jumped out

[newterp]

no rush for him to be back right - another game of the suspension to be served?

super economy it is.

[Floydy]

Kids also go free, but only when used as a weapon

kwalitee

[Original]

It’s a list of 10k people wanting to sell their ST.

They were advertising tickets today on a sign outside goodison for the West Ham game, this weekend.

[FiSh77]

They were advertising tickets today on a sign outside goodison for the West Ham game, this weekend.

Get down to Goodison

[Son of Spion]

A poster on GOT claims they have a 10k season ticket list , I live , work , know lots of blues in the city and ive never known one to not get a ticket for a game at home never ever heard anyone say they have a season ticket in someone elses name , never heard of one that shares one due to struggling to get a ticket and I've certainly never heard a single one say there on the waiting list .

Yes, they have. But it's for Old Trafford.

[Son of Spion]

Shame those designs weren't followed through

Galling isn't it. FSG definitely over promised and under delivered there. 

[rob1966]

They were advertising tickets today on a sign outside goodison for the West Ham game, this weekend.

Just looked at their website, Fulham at the pit on Sat the 29th has been on general sale for a fortnight and there are still tickets available. Deffo need a bigger stadium than FC Big Stand.